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I would have to say so.In a way it gave him a huge springboard and one of his most dominating & devastating fights in Griffin Rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Griffin did do some very good acting but Jones did know what he was doing and a few seconds went by between Griffin taking a knee and Jones landing those 2 punches, im a big Jones fan but i think the DQ was right IMO, and also it was the best thing that could of happened for Jones because in the rematch he was more fired up then he ever had been for a fight, shame he didn't use the same attitude against Tarver when he got KO'ed.
Without rules you have chaos, with chaos comes disorder and Roy should have known better, the DQ was rightly called and if it wasn't the sport descends to the depths of backstreet brawling.
HELL YES!!! He hit Montell Griffin TWICE while he was down. He deserved to be thrown outQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
BTW he also lost all 3 fights to Antonio Tarver too
Depends, I guess Floyd Mayweather deserves a loss for hitting Ndou when he was down.
Ultimately it ruined Montells career because of what Roy did to him in the rematch. Would have been much better for Montell to have lost a decision.
this reminds me of most recently berto doing almost the same thing last night? did anyone else get that too?
the ref had no chioce to DQ him, if montel got back up jones wud of had 1-2 points taken of him, but becoz griffin got ko'd there was no chioce in the matter.
question is was montel really ko'd or did he fake it?
I think so. I think Montell acted up a little bit.
Anyway i think the loss did Jones no harm as he ko'd him in the rematch anyway.
That devastating KO in the rematch probably did more to enhance Jones legacy than just a simple UD the first time round would have done.
If a loss was applied every time this occured MAB would be losing a few fro his record.
As would Rocky Marciano.
Yea In Marciano's famous KO of Walcott, didn't Walcott gone down on one knee after being hit by the right hand ?? then Marciano KO'ed him with a left hook while Walcott was still on one knee.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I saw that a little differently. Jones saw he was down and made a conscious decision to hit him after. Berto just didn't pull back after what's-his-face fell to one knee. He was already throwing his punch when the guy fell.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
But Roy did deserve the DQ. And Roy did beat Tarver in their first match, whomever wrote that. Tarver won his rounds more convincingly, but that doesn't give you extra points; Roy won more rounds.
I actually didn't think Tarver vs Jones 1 was that close i had Jones a clear winner by 2 rounds or maybe 3 rounds, Jones clearly won the last two 2 rounds which gave him the nod for certain in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidI saw that a little differently. Jones saw he was down and made a conscious decision to hit him after. Berto just didn't pull back after what's-his-face fell to one knee. He was already throwing his punch when the guy fell.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAVIDTUA
But Roy did deserve the DQ. And Roy did beat Tarver in their first match, whomever wrote that. Tarver won his rounds more convincingly, but that doesn't give you extra points; Roy won more rounds.
Anyone remember Riddick Bowe Clocking Buster Mathis Jr. After he had taken a knee....Purley intentional and the commision,Mercante sr.& Larry hazzard huddled in the ring coming up with a ruling...they did not realize that the Microphone was on and caught conversation.Bowe was winning but should have been DQ'd Imo.
Yes i remember that funny you should mention that because Gil Clancy who commentated on Jones vs Griffin 1 mentioned that fight as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
No i don't think so he shouldn't have hit him while on one knee but they weren't devastating shots Griffin milked it Jones should have lost some points.
Yeah I think definetely the fight was awarded the way it should have been.. If a fighter takes a knee, then there can't be any more punches thrown by the opponent...... Possibly if fighting was huddled in the corner and maybe a fighter couldn't see the knee, and it was pure accident, then there could be some dispute... There was no dispute there... Apart from being funny as hell on Roy's part, it was just plain wrong.......
The rules are there :
2nd to deter foul play.
1st to protect a boxers health.
When a boxer takes a knee, it becomes a health issue, and to purposly throw punches at that stage just has to be disqualified in my book..
To be truely honest, Montell fought brilliantly that fight compared to any of Roy's previous opponents. And actually went a fair way towards earning that win... Even though he was probably heading for a loss with the knockdown, no one had challenged Roy like that before...
If it was one of Roy's lesser opponents taking a knee in the first and Roy getting disqualified like that, then it would have been a lot worse..
Jones had never fought anyone as awkward as Griffin at that point in his career, and because Griffin was as awkward as Jones was, plus because Griffin was short as well made it hard for Jones to land punches, i can't remember what my scorecard was but it was probably even after 8 rounds with the knockdown, Jones in the rematch decided not to try and out box Griffin like he did the first time around, and just went out there and swarmed Griffin straight away and it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizaster
Well when Walcott went down there was no way he was getting up, he was out cold slumpoed against the ropres.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBYea In Marciano's famous KO of Walcott, didn't Walcott gone down on one knee after being hit by the right hand ?? then Marciano KO'ed him with a left hook while Walcott was still on one knee.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
But the hook put him face first into the canvas....Scary KO
Montell faked it and RJJ was unjustly disqualified.
I hate when boxers hit while their opponents are down.
Many times I've talked about this and how I feel about it.
Wilfredo Gomez got away with this a lot during his career.
The DQ on RJJ was OK on my books. So I would answer your question as yes he did deserve his 1st loss.
like has been said - Griffin milked it but yes Jones did deserve it
had he retired with just that one defeat though I believe he would still have been a man who retired unbeaten and that '1' would not have mattered.
As it happens Tarver and Johnson came along and rendered it insignificant.
Originally the result was Roy Jones winning via TKO. But they changed it to a DQ in the same night. Would have been better for Montell to lose that way. But changing it to a DQ just ended Montell's chances. and ultimately made Roy's legacy
The worst I've seen as far as hitting someone when their down goes was Nigel Benn against Iran Barkley. Benn knocked Barkley down 3 times in round 1 and each time threw punches after Barkley went down.
Even though I do think Griffen did a bit of an acting job, I think the DQ was justifiable.
But ohhh boy did Jones get his revenge.
That was blatant.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
As was Marciano Walcott.
Marco v JMM.
Griffin made a meal of it but yes Roy deserved to be DQ`d that was blatent.
Must add Perez was very slow to react.
love jones but yes he hit him
In these situations i blame the ref for not getting in between them quick enough. In the heat of the moment, when the adrenaline is flowing and the guy who goes down, doesn't go down all the way, it's hard to blame the boxer who hits him. I've seen other fighters get hit, in similar situations, and not so much as a warning to the boxer who hit him. Inconsistent rulings.
i really thought points should of been taken
must of had to much adrenaline at the time
but many of boxers have hit there oppenent while they was down
I watched it again. Montell was clearly hurt, perhaps ready to go; so being the saavy fighter he is, he decidedd to take a knee instead. This confused Jones so he continued to wack him.
Given that he was hurt before going down, I can't say with any degree of certainty that Montell was faking it. You'll notice there was a delayed reaction form Montel after he was hit while being down but b/f going down head first, but delayed reactions are not uncommon in boxing.
Also, it looks like the ref counted him out at first and then awarded a KO victory to Jones, until he had time to reconsider the decison. I didin't see him ask Montell if he could continue.
So what are you saying RJJ deserved to be disqualified :confused: