I don't see any reason why Khan can't win a world title....

So he's a little chinny,So What?
He bounces back pretty well and showed great fighting heart against Gomez who can still bang even if he is a little past it.
Another thing Amir has on his side is youth (He's 21 for f*cks sake) and even if he has a crack at a world strap and loses does it really mean he'll melt away and be off the radar for ever?
If he lost a title shot so what,he's got loads of time to dust him self down and (more importantly) LEARN from his mistakes and adjust his tactics for future bouts.
The heart and guts he showed to me on Saturday night just go to cement what he's all about imo and i doubt he'll do a Hamed and just crumble if he lost a title shot,infact i think he'd come back stronger and wiser for it.
I think he needs a good 4 maybe 5 more fights and Barry McGuigan is spot on when he says his in-fighting is poor and needs adressing.
I even think Khan must now realise he needs to slow down and still has bits to learn to be a more rounded fighter and be a more potent force when that time comes around.
I have no doubt he'll get a world title one day (be it his 2nd,3rd or 4th attempt-does it really matter?).
Get behind the kid as he's a breath of fresh air to the fight game and one of the most exciting young fighters in the world right now with ease,he imo could quiet easily box and move his way to a title (possibly) and bore us to death in the process but he clearly likes a tear-up and gives great value for money in the process (David Haye stylee)
Best of British Amir:cool:

He's been proven to have chin problems for a long time now and has done little to amend the problem.

Well we all know you can't put muscles on a chin but theres more than one way to skin a cat;)
How many times did Nigel Benn get floored in his career? LOADS;)
I Rest my case

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Well we all know you can't put muscles on a chin but heres more than one way to skin a cat;)

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Very True.

My point is though. When he had his chin questioned, the only improvement he made was to keep his hands up.
I was excited at the prospect of him training with RM, I thought he could develop an exceptional defense to compliment his aggresive hands, but instead he's employed Powell who has him rely on his movement and reflexes.

As for Benn, the reason he tasted the canvas so regularly was because of his over - zealous asault.
He rushed in - fully aware of his power and its effect on fighters.
In doing so he comprimised his own balance and equilibrium and regularly got clipped.

Benn although a favourite of mine will not be found in any "Great" lists."

I agree Powell is not the man to take him to dizzy heights but Warren must realise that.
Amir is rumoured to be on the brink of a MAJOR Warren/Setanta deal i hear.
ITV are f*cking mad if they let Amir go as the ratings are unreal thus far.

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I agree Powell is not the man to take him to dizzy heights but Warren must realise that.
Amir is rumoured to be on the brink of a MAJOR Warren/Setanta deal i hear.
ITV are f*cking mad if they let Amir go as the ratings are unreal thus far.

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ITV would do wel to hold onto him thats for sure.
I think Warren would be acting in his best interests to keep him on domestic TV also.

You mentioned Benn earlier. It was domestic TV that made Benn,
"the peoples champ."

MID WEEK SPORTS SPECIAL with a young Jim Rosenthal;D
Still remember the theme tune hahahaha

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Rosenthal...I used to think he was complete cheese until I saw the way he handled the aftermath of McClellan V Benn.
Although morbid, he kept the fans informed and quenched any celebration that would have been regretted.

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So he's a little chinny,So What?
He bounces back pretty well and showed great fighting heart against Gomez who can still bang even if he is a little past it.
Another thing Amir has on his side is youth (He's 21 for f*cks sake) and even if he has a crack at a world strap and loses does it really mean he'll melt away and be off the radar for ever?
If he lost a title shot so what,he's got loads of time to dust him self down and (more importantly) LEARN from his mistakes and adjust his tactics for future bouts.
The heart and guts he showed to me on Saturday night just go to cement what he's all about imo and i doubt he'll do a Hamed and just crumble if he lost a title shot,infact i think he'd come back stronger and wiser for it.
I think he needs a good 4 maybe 5 more fights and Barry McGuigan is spot on when he says his in-fighting is poor and needs adressing.
I even think Khan must now realise he needs to slow down and still has bits to learn to be a more rounded fighter and be a more potent force when that time comes around.
I have no doubt he'll get a world title one day (be it his 2nd,3rd or 4th attempt-does it really matter?).
Get behind the kid as he's a breath of fresh air to the fight game and one of the most exciting young fighters in the world right now with ease,he imo could quiet easily box and move his way to a title (possibly) and bore us to death in the process but he clearly likes a tear-up and gives great value for money in the process (David Haye stylee)
Best of British Amir:cool:

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I agree with most of what you say, however there's a difference between being a belt holder and becoming one of the best in and around your division (see Rees and Calzaghe). I'm all behind Amir, the interest nhe's sparking with the non-enthusiast is exactly what boxing needs, and the further he goes the better (hope he stays with ITV for a bit at least also).

What gets me worried isn't his chin (it's noe worse than Haye's IMO p4p, and he's done alright), but the fact that he has obvious deficiencies in his inside game and they seem to be in denial about it, rather than working to correct it. His answer to Gomez's pressure was to run away faster in desperation to keep the fight at distance, which won't work at higher level.

He needs more time, and tougher matchmaking with all types of fighters, or go to the states for some serious sparring, before contemplating a title shot. While a loss isn't the be all and end all at such a young age, a comprehensive beating at the hands of one of the topguys could be pretty devastating.

Edit: there was only one reply when I started this, need typing lessons lol

I'd like to see Roger Mayweather or Roach get hold of him:cool:
Good points mate;)

Smashup you have changed your mind a few times regarding Khan, a few months ago didn't you say Earl would chin Khan and Khan wasn't that good etc ?? im not having a pop mate im just curious why you changed your mind because of the Gomez fight, because if anything i thought that would of furthered your point what you was thinking a while ago. And you say he can win a world title but against who exactly ?? once Pacquiao beats Diaz there's no way IMO that Khan beats any of the top Lightweights like Campbell, Casamayor, J.Diaz, Pacquiao, Guzman, Marquez.

I did say Earl could well floor him but have never said Khan was no good:confused:
Underestimated how much Katsidis took out of Earl
My mistake
Sorry:rolleyes:

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I did say Earl could well floor him but have never said Khan was no good:confused:
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Im sure you was one of those like me that was going off when Khan was hurt against Limond ?? or maybe im mistakten ?? like i said im not having a pop im just curious why you changed your mind. Because in my mind Gomez is a decent fighter at best who is past his peak and if your good upcoming prospect almost ready for a world title shot, then Khan should be beating domestic level fighters like Gomez much more convincing without any trouble. Khan gets shaken up too much IMO, and if a world class fighter like the ones i mentioned got him in trouble he wouldn't survive.

With a bit of sense and decent direction warren will steer khan well away from the likes of casa and nate and instead back up his original claim that khan will be a world champ by the end of the year by giving him a mickey mouse belt like a WBU or IBF

Benn wasn't floored that much.

Logan
Watson
Dewitt
McClellan

Hurt plenty of times mind ;D

Khan will definitely "win" a "world" title with Warren.

Look how Enzo Macc and Alex Arthur got theirs

Plus Rees won a title FFS (beating a fellow Warren fighter).

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Benn wasn't floored that much.

Logan
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Hurt plenty of times mind ;D

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But Benn had 1 punch KO power to turn a fight around otherwise he would of lost to Logan, McClellan.

Totally agree Smash....

who is the WBU holder at his weight :-X;D:-X

Their was no reason to get rid of Oliver Harrison really Kahn was doing good with him but i am concerned about his chin he has been put over by 2 super featherweights and he didn't like the bodyshots on saturday either i think any of the top lightweights in the world beat him at the minute.He needs about 4 more fights in my opinion all against world top 10 fighters then we will know but Nate,Manny,Joel or juan all beat him right now easy.

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Benn wasn't floored that much.

Logan
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McClellan

Hurt plenty of times mind ;D

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But Benn had 1 punch KO power to turn a fight around otherwise he would of lost to Logan, McClellan.

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Yeah I know Benn was great ;D

Khan will do well to equal Benn's achievements (wont). ;)

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Benn wasn't floored that much.

Logan
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McClellan

Hurt plenty of times mind ;D

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But Benn had 1 punch KO power to turn a fight around otherwise he would of lost to Logan, McClellan.

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I don't really think his punch power aided him all that much vs. McClellan.
McClellan had a crazy good chin (maybe too good,) I think it was more Nigels resiliance, aggression and head that won him that fight.

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Benn wasn't floored that much.

Logan
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McClellan

Hurt plenty of times mind ;D

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But Benn had 1 punch KO power to turn a fight around otherwise he would of lost to Logan, McClellan.

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I don't really think his punch power aided him all that much vs. McClellan.
McClellan had a crazy good chin (maybe too good,) I think it was more Nigels resiliance, aggression and head that won him that fight.

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His power kept McClellan off him yes his toughness and etc also helped him, but without the power he would of been stopped just watch after the 1st round, when McClellan felt the power he was on the back foot.

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I don't really think his punch power aided him all that much vs. McClellan.
McClellan had a crazy good chin (maybe too good,) I think it was more Nigels resiliance, aggression and head that won him that fight.

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His power kept McClellan off him yes he toughness and etc also helped him, but without the power he would of been stopped just watch after the 1st round, when McClellan felt the power he was on the back foot.

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Gerald fought in circles, he had the uncanny ability to throw with real power hile moving.
I think Gerald moved backward when the opponent made any advances toward him as his power was maximised when he was a t a distance.

After Jackson, perhaps Benn's punches had a greater effect on McClellan than I think, but I just don't believe Nigel hurt him badly with his punches.

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I don't really think his punch power aided him all that much vs. McClellan.
McClellan had a crazy good chin (maybe too good,) I think it was more Nigels resiliance, aggression and head that won him that fight.

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His power kept McClellan off him yes he toughness and etc also helped him, but without the power he would of been stopped just watch after the 1st round, when McClellan felt the power he was on the back foot.

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Gerald fought in circles, he had the uncanny ability to throw with real power hile moving.
I think Gerald moved backward when the opponent made any advances toward him as his power was maximised when he was a t a distance.

After Jackson, perhaps Benn's punches had a greater effect on McClellan than I think, but I just don't believe Nigel hurt him badly with his punches.

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Heres a question do you think Jackson also partly caused McClellan's brain damage ?? and do you think McClellan would of suffered the damage to his brain regardless of the Benn fight because Jackson had already done some of the damage, because McClellan did take some real bombs off Jackson.

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His power kept McClellan off him yes he toughness and etc also helped him, but without the power he would of been stopped just watch after the 1st round, when McClellan felt the power he was on the back foot.

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Gerald fought in circles, he had the uncanny ability to throw with real power hile moving.
I think Gerald moved backward when the opponent made any advances toward him as his power was maximised when he was a t a distance.

After Jackson, perhaps Benn's punches had a greater effect on McClellan than I think, but I just don't believe Nigel hurt him badly with his punches.

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Heres a question do you think Jackson also partly caused McClellan's brain damage ?? and do you think McClellan would of suffered the damage to his brain regardless of the Benn fight because Jackson had already done some of the damage, because McClellan did take some real bombs off Jackson.

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Yeah I do:-\
It really scares me.

Its funny you guys saying that about the Jackson fight could have had something to do with the G man brain damage i felt similar about Paul Ingle and his brain damage could have had alot to do with the shots he took off Naseem Hamed.

Khan will probably EAK out a world title through a backdoor or something. He is not the best out there... He has chin problems but he's a decent fighter... He won't hold the title for long, though, if he gets it.

I enjoyed the Khan fight. He seems alright. He can win a belt.

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I agree... He is just not overly impressive to me. I enjoy most of his fights as HE makes them exciting.

I just can't ever see him defending a belt over and over again...

I remember prior to seeing him fight, people all over the internet were talking up this kid like he was something AMAZING!

He's OK... He's exciting cuz there's always a chance he's gonna get put on his ass like in the past...

He's just not the amazing fighter people billed him as. He's pretty good though

Look at Haye,he's chinny (OK he has a hell of an equalizer) he's been beaten,been down,cut etc and the rest is history.
Khan needs to stop getting dragged away from what he does best but he seems to love the tear up a little too much for his own good.
Can def see him getting a strap,he may have to cleverly box his way to it but it's well within him to do so i feel:)

He is young aand because of that, frustrating. His problem is that at 17 he was an Olympic medalist and just months later beat one of the greatest amateurs of all time gaining revenge for his olympic defeat. This has served to instill a confidence in him which allied with the fact that he is asian makes him arrogant. This is not me being racist, just aware that successful asian males are treated like they walk on water among their families.

This over inflated confidence is a problem because he has the ability to be great, however he already believes that he is almost there. The truth is, he is miles off.

I personally don't think he is chinny, say what you want, he has got off the canvas and stopped his opponents when caught with pretty good shots. His defence however is still amateurish and he is having lapses in concentration which are ok in the amateurs but in the pros you can get sparked in one shot. Based on his maturity I think he needs two more years before he can develope the skills to be a great champion. Yes he can get a belt and be a "World Champion" this year if he goes after a shit title, but that will be a waste of everyones time. I'd rather see focused career developement and for him to train with Roger Mayweather soon.

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Look at Haye,he's chinny (OK he has a hell of an equalizer) he's been beaten,been down,cut etc and the rest is history.
Khan needs to stop getting dragged away from what he does best but he seems to love the tear up a little too much for his own good.
Can def see him getting a strap,he may have to cleverly box his way to it but it's well within him to do so i feel:)

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Just because one fighter in another division is chinny and has won a belt, doesn't mean Khan can and lets remember the Lightweight division is far stronger than the Cruiserweight division. And like i said what title holder or top Lightweight can he beat ?? And i actually don't think Haye is that chinny his loss to Thompson was down to stamina issues not chin issue's.

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He is young aand because of that, frustrating. His problem is that at 17 he was an Olympic medalist and just months later beat one of the greatest amateurs of all time gaining revenge for his olympic defeat. This has served to instill a confidence in him which allied with the fact that he is asian makes him arrogant. This is not me being racist, just aware that successful asian males are treated like they walk on water among their families.

This over inflated confidence is a problem because he has the ability to be great, however he already believes that he is almost there. The truth is, he is miles off.

I personally don't think he is chinny, say what you want, he has got off the canvas and stopped his opponents when caught with pretty good shots. His defence however is still amateurish and he is having lapses in concentration which are ok in the amateurs but in the pros you can get sparked in one shot. Based on his maturity I think he needs two more years before he can develope the skills to be a great champion. Yes he can get a belt and be a "World Champion" this year if he goes after a shit title, but that will be a waste of everyones time. I'd rather see focused career developement and for him to train with Roger Mayweather soon.

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Agree,teaming up with and developing a Mayweather like defense would serve him so well and is exactly what he needs.
I'd like to see Floyd do something positive (if he really is retiring) and take Khan under his wing:cool:

I think he forces his way to number 1 spot with the WBO then waits till he can fight for the vacant belt against some push over.