Just heard that Joe has left Frank Warren, anyone know anything about this??
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Just heard that Joe has left Frank Warren, anyone know anything about this??
Would be a shock, but it wouldn't actually be that far fetched a tale.
source?
BBC SPORT | Boxing | Calzaghe ends Warren association
Welshman Joe Calzaghe has split from long-term promoter Frank Warren.
Super-middleweight and light-heavyweight king Calzaghe has been promoted by Warren since 1996.
But with Calzaghe eyeing up a career swansong, possibly against Roy Jones Jr later this year, he has ended his 12-year association with Warren.
"I am now a free agent with no contract and intend to be self-managed from now on," the 36-year-old Calzaghe said in the South Wales Argus.
Warren was contacted but declined to make any comment on the split.
The Newbridge-based Calzaghe is currently big box office in the United States following his points win over Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas in April.
And with the southpaw vowing to box one last time, he has decided to split from Warren and promote the fight himself.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif606: DEBATE
I honestly feel if Joe had done this 10 years ago he would be seen as a great
sensational
"My intention is to fight Roy Jones Jr, a four-weight world champion fighter," said Calzaghe.
"That would be a special event for me against a legend of the sport.
"There are issues to be resolved with my former promoter Frank Warren and I hope they can be done so amicably."
Warren's Sports Network were contacted by BBC Sport but declined to make any comment on the split.
Under Warren's management, Calzaghe became the undisputed super-middlweight champion of the world and added the light-heavyweight crown with his defeat of Hopkins.
He fought 26 times under Warren's Sports Network banner, including career-defining bouts against Chris Eubank, Byron Mitchell, Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler and Hopkins.
In April, Warren said he would offer Calzaghe the chance to become a partner at Sports Network, an offer the Welshman has passed up on.
"Joe can become a partner at Sports Network. I am very serious about what I am saying," Warren told The Sun.
"Joe has been a great signing for me, personally, and for boxing. His experience could prove invaluable but Joe will decide how he wants to play it."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...vlikarm203.jpg Pavlik is unbeaten in 34 professional fights
Meanwhile, Calzaghe, who was recently awarded a CBE for his services to sport, has been accused of running scared of big-hitting American Kelly Pavlik.
Calzaghe has ruled out a big-money showdown with fellow unbeaten star Pavlik, the WBO and WBC middleweight champion.
But Pavlik's trainer Jack Loew said: "How many more excuses is this guy going to make? If Joe Calzaghe fought Kelly, he'd be in trouble.
"There's no way he'd beat Kelly, he's just a slap-happy Welshman."
Pavlik has told 10-year champion Calzaghe he wants to "get it on" but the undisputed super-middleweight wants to fight ageing great Jones Jnr.
Although Calzaghe insists he would beat Pavlik, the powerhouse from Ohio would be a risk to the Newbridge fighter's unbeaten record at this late stage in his career.
The legendary Jones is a four-weight world champion but is considered by many pundits as yesterday's news, with rising star Pavlik the promising new kid on the block.
Calzaghe's stablemate Gary Lockett, trained by Calzaghe's father Enzo, was demolished by Pavlik inside three rounds earlier this month, and Loew admitted: "Jones Jnr is a smarter fight for Calzaghe.
"This is what happened: his dad went back and said 'don't fight this killer, he is gonna knock you out'. "I'm ticked off as he's telling us that we don't want to fight him. But yes, we do want to fight Joe Calzaghe. He doesn't want to fight Kelly Pavlik."
Chinese whispers
Thank for source. We can't put it on Warren now for Calzaghe to not be fighting Pavlik. If he believes as he said that he is so much better, then maybe the fight will happen. Would love to see it, but still believe a RJJ type fight is his smart career decision.
Being a Pavlik fan, I want this fight. Being a realist I think Joe will get hurt.
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Originally Posted by Youngblood
Being a JC fan im very happy this fight isnt going to take place because of the fact i think the same as you.
Why on earth JC has left it this late in his career to realise he`d probably be better off on his own rather than having warren god only knows!!
I don't think Pavlik would beat Calzaghe. This is another case of no matter how many you beat, there's always somebody else waiting in the wings. I understand why Calzaghe wants to fight Jones. The preference would have been to have the fight happen a decade ago, but just imagine if you were a boxer, who would you love to get in a ring with: Jones Jr. or Pavlik- a living legend or a rising star? I'd go with Jones too. He isn't what he was, but he's no pushover either. I think a battle with RJJ will be a lot more competitive than people think for the simple fact that styles make fights. Joe is fast and awkward, but a relatively light puncher. Jones is still fast and awkward and he can hit hard when he feels like it. Both have good defense and Jones' ring experience adjusts for what he's lost.
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Originally Posted by liquid
guess we`ll never really know
pavliks main attribute to winning the fight would be superior power.
But would that really be that much of a difference at 168?? JC would love the fact pavlik tends to go square on and would fight the man at angles.
I say a JC win but he`ll still get a lot badder beaten up than a 38 year old jones could ever hope to do!!
BBC SPORT | Boxing | Calzaghe ends Warren association
to little to late imo.
Guarantee Warren will say he and Arum had the Pavlik fight done but Calzaghe didn't want it (so naturally that means he bottled it).
Problem is - Calzaghe-Jones might be Sky PPV :beat:
Hopefully though, Calzaghe will fight on ITV.. or even the BBC might be interested.
JC is signed to fight for setanta for the remainder of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Compared to HBO/Showtime the UK tv networks are small time therefore that itself will have no impact on why he and warren split and who he fights next
Wonder why he has split now when he says he is only having 1 last fight?
I still think he beats Pavlik at this stage in his career.
I think Joe will still have problems with Jones cause he is still faster than any1 he his faced before and still has decent power with his right hand that will trouble Joe.Joe takes Jones out late on in the fight but i see it quite close fight for the first 4 rounds then Joe takes over.
He should have done this years ago then perhaps he would have taken more risks and could have been a legend for fighting the best rather than because he made 21 or 22 defences.
to late IMO... If he is only one fight then out he should have just stuck with warren and finished his career stress free ;)
my only advice to joe now would be to be very carful what he goes on record as saying from today onwards... and Ring up Naz and Ricky for a few pointers on what not to say :-X
Good luck Joe you aint got long left so tread carfully ;)
Why would Joe want to join forces with the sinking ship that is Sports Network:confused:
Should be a mega star already,no doubt Warren held him back but he's only got himself (JC) to blame really.
Ain't as if Warren had a gun to his head:-X
My guess is he will not be (legally) committed to his Setanta deal anymore, which is why I am wondering whether this is not merely a ploy to get more money out of the Roy Jones fight. Now Sky PPV could be an option for example.
Sort of same thing happened with Kessler-Andrade, where Palle's good friend (former boxer) Hans Henrik Palm suddenly won the purse offer, having never staged a show before or after. This way they were free to offer it as ppv, despite Palle's stable being contractually bound to a (free, third rate) tv-channel.
Doesn't really matter it won't change the outcome of Calzaghe's career, he will still face Jones Jr for his last fight.
Nice ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
Maybe he's joining forces with Hatton - they can be the Brit Golden Boy ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Calzaghe's now an HBO fighter also.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
He'll be broadcast news in the boxing world from here on out as long as his career can stand the test of time. Joe made a mad dash offa ShowTime even though Warren was trying to cash in on that stable. From what I read a few years back...that caused a bit of tension...but who knows if that's 100% on the up & up, but I seriously doubt that it's been smooth sailing for Joe & Fwank the entire time.
In the end...I honestly have no complaints with Calzaghe fighting Jones...it's actually the fight I want to see.
While I was a massive Jones jr fan...after his back to back brutal knockouts at the hands of Tarver & Johnson...I can honestly say that I never wanted to see him in the ring again. I was pleasantly surprised by the outcome of his last two fights...but I doubt that it's a walk in the park for him against Joe.
That being said...I don't see the Pavlik fight as an easy win...but a win in the end all the same.
Kelly's a great kid & a hell of a fighter...but Calzaghe...Calzaghe is Calzaghe.
I disagree i think Calzaghe looked like a fighter on his way out against Hopkins, his jab wern't snappy and his combo's wern't as fast and they just didn't look like the same combo's that battered Lacy all around the ring, i think Calzaghe might actually be there for the taking against a young powerhouse like Pavlik, remember Hopkins hasn't been noted as a big puncher in quite some time, yet he manged to stun Calzaghe on numerous occasion's and even floored him with those straight right hands, then i come to thinking what if it was Pavlik hitting Calzaghe with those straight right hands how would Calzaghe cope with that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Wacko2305Calzaghe's now an HBO fighter also.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
He'll be broadcast news in the boxing world from here on out as long as his career can stand the test of time. Joe made a mad dash offa ShowTime even though Warren was trying to cash in on that stable. From what I read a few years back...that caused a bit of tension...but who knows if that's 100% on the up & up, but I seriously doubt that it's been smooth sailing for Joe & Fwank the entire time.
In the end...I honestly have no complaints with Calzaghe fighting Jones...it's actually the fight I want to see.
While I was a massive Jones jr fan...after his back to back brutal knockouts at the hands of Tarver & Johnson...I can honestly say that I never wanted to see him in the ring again. I was pleasantly surprised by the outcome of his last two fights...but I doubt that it's a walk in the park for him against Joe.
That being said...I don't see the Pavlik fight as an easy win...but a win in the end all the same.
Kelly's a great kid & a hell of a fighter...but Calzaghe...Calzaghe is Calzaghe.
it would be a brutal KO if that happened..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I can only hope he fights Pavlik, but i don't see it happening.. The thing is, of course there is always the argument that "there is always another up and comer they could fight" but to be honest, if Calzaghe beats Jones and Pavlik, unless someone else very quickly rises to the top, i'd really feel that he fought the best guy possible..
lets face it, if Joe beats Pavlik, what will we be saying? He should fight Abraham, or Kessler has improved since they fought and he should fight Kessler.. no.. we'd know that Pavlik was the best guy out there, and as much as i want to see Calzaghe lose, i'd be content with his opposition..
Regardless of how bad Hop makes guys look, Calzaghe was much sloppier than usual in his last fight and I agree with you that father time is catching up with him. Which is why I don't want him to fight Pavlik since his chances of beating him diminshes with every passing month.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI disagree i think Calzaghe looked like a fighter on his way out against Hopkins, his jab wern't snappy and his combo's wern't as fast and they just didn't look like the same combo's that battered Lacy all around the ring, i think Calzaghe might actually be there for the taking against a young powerhouse like Pavlik, remember Hopkins hasn't been noted as a big puncher in quite some time, yet he manged to stun Calzaghe on numerous occasion's and even floored him with those straight right hands, then i come to thinking what if it was Pavlik hitting Calzaghe with those straight right hands how would Calzaghe cope with that ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Wacko2305Calzaghe's now an HBO fighter also.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
He'll be broadcast news in the boxing world from here on out as long as his career can stand the test of time. Joe made a mad dash offa ShowTime even though Warren was trying to cash in on that stable. From what I read a few years back...that caused a bit of tension...but who knows if that's 100% on the up & up, but I seriously doubt that it's been smooth sailing for Joe & Fwank the entire time.
In the end...I honestly have no complaints with Calzaghe fighting Jones...it's actually the fight I want to see.
While I was a massive Jones jr fan...after his back to back brutal knockouts at the hands of Tarver & Johnson...I can honestly say that I never wanted to see him in the ring again. I was pleasantly surprised by the outcome of his last two fights...but I doubt that it's a walk in the park for him against Joe.
That being said...I don't see the Pavlik fight as an easy win...but a win in the end all the same.
Kelly's a great kid & a hell of a fighter...but Calzaghe...Calzaghe is Calzaghe.
Regardless of what RP33 says, there will ALWAYS be another up and comer waiting in the wings, Pavlik was absloutley nowhere on Joe's radar even 10 months ago, now Abrham is making a name for himself, and what if Bute or Froch gets a big win under their belt? Whether the hype was warranted or not, the call was much higher at the time for joe to fight Lacy, and then Kessler than the call is presently to fight Pavlik (though all the joe doubters would LOVE him to take a fight to far).
A s for the Warren split, I can only imagine that he wants to cut out the middle man for one last fight, which is risky since Warren did offer work for Calzaghe after he retires. Whether Joe's career could have taken a different direction or not, I don't believe it was ALL Warren's doing that it took him so long to get noticed, and it does seem risky to burn a bridge with a guy you've had a good working relationship with for so long.
Would loved to have watched Warrens face when he found out.
LOL
If Calzaghe ends up fighting one more fight and that fight is Jones then I think that's just pathetic. I wouldn't mind him taking a payday then fighting Pavlik. But Roy Jones, Jr? Really? What the hell has Roy done? Beaten an old man in Trinidad and now he's back in the mix? He's not even a top tier Lt Heavy.
Unless Calzaghe is going to have 3 or fights more and try and cash in I dont really see the point in splitting from Warren now. I dont see the purpose or what Joe is hoping to achieve if he really is going to call it quits after just 1 more fight.
A few years back it would have made sense but to do it now just seems odd. I hope Joe knows what he's doing this for and he gets it right.
I hope Calzaghe fights Pavlik. Seeing Joe get knocked out and his undefeated record disappear would be awesome :cool:
Haha, good for Joe, Warren must be pissing himself. I wonder just how ugly this could get for both if its not an amicable split.
I hope Calzaghe has this in mind and is thinking about one more big show down with Pavlik after Jones because I dont think Pavlik is stopping Joe. And Pavlik isnt going to outwork him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Surely the only reason he's given FW the elbow is so he doesn't have to give him a cut of the final massive paydayQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
So it makes sense ;D
Could have done it earlier and taken home a bigger cut more frequently. Im a little confused as to why now and for a supposed single fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterSurely the only reason he's given FW the elbow is so he doesn't have to give him a cut of the final massive paydayQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
So it makes sense ;D
He should have left him many years ago. A bit too late now really...
We're going to have to wait and see for the real reason probably. I didn't see this coming at all, and it's an odd time to make it.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesCould have done it earlier and taken home a bigger cut more frequently. Im a little confused as to why now and for a supposed single fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterSurely the only reason he's given FW the elbow is so he doesn't have to give him a cut of the final massive paydayQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
So it makes sense ;D
If the fight happens I'll bet you ALL my rep points. I'm being serious, you heard it here. Pavlik Ko's joe C, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI hope Calzaghe has this in mind and is thinking about one more big show down with Pavlik after Jones because I dont think Pavlik is stopping Joe. And Pavlik isnt going to outwork him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I think this is right. Setanta is a nice deal for Warren, not Joe. Hatton made a bundle from Sky ppv for his last two fights and Joe wants some of that too. I'm still not convinced the Jones fight is going to be ppv in the US because they originally said the same thing about the Hopkins fight, but there's a nice big ppv revenue stream there in the UK to be had for certain. IIRC Hatton got to keep 100% of the Sky money from the Mayweather fight too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikkel_K
It will probably not happen the way things are going but you have a deal if it does happen. I take all your rep points if Joe gets knocked out, yeah?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeIf the fight happens I'll bet you ALL my rep points. I'm being serious, you heard it here. Pavlik Ko's joe C, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI hope Calzaghe has this in mind and is thinking about one more big show down with Pavlik after Jones because I dont think Pavlik is stopping Joe. And Pavlik isnt going to outwork him.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
[quote=miles;543973]It will probably not happen the way things are going but you have a deal if it does happen. I take all your rep points if Joe gets knocked out, yeah?[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by leftyleeIf the fight happens I'll bet you ALL my rep points. I'm being serious, you heard it here. Pavlik Ko's joe C, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
gets beat ;)
I don't think joe beats pavlik either.....but all your rep points, you should save a couple.......:laugh: just in case
[quote=leftylee;543976]I was just making light of your two previous posts and seeing what I could get away with. Pavlik is a good fighter and I like him, but Calzaghe is better. He has the tools to make Pavlik look seriously sloppy. If it happens then we have a deal. I have little interest in seeing a beatdown of Jones Jr. to be honest and would much rather the Pavlik fight but god knows whats going on the mind of some people out there. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIt will probably not happen the way things are going but you have a deal if it does happen. I take all your rep points if Joe gets knocked out, yeah?[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
gets beat ;)