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obviously ALOt of you ppl are going to say retire (but i doubt it hes too young)
i think he should take one last fight, move down one weight class, and maybe try to fight david diaz?
He lost to him twice in like 1996 and i believe he should atleast try to fight him one last time. (i think he'll do better one weight down anyway cause he cant compete with these welterweights nowadays)
All depends how he looks against Clottey, really... I thought he was looking kinda shopworn by the time he fought Cotto and should've done better in that fight, and I haven't even seen his fights since then. The fact that he went the distance both times with average fighters could be a bad sign? Dunno. I've thought forever that he would have always done better to stick at 140, but then I guess he wouldn't have had the names to fight. If he still looks good, but Clottey beats him(I really don't see both happening) then I would say he should try to drop back to 140. I'd actually give him a great chance to beat anyone there, including Hatton. Judah-Malignaggi would be a good Brooklyn showdown, and interesting matchup. He could figght the winner of the Holt-Torres rematch, Tim Bradley, even Witter again... A lot more winnable semi high profile fights for him at 140 I'd say.
Zab is getting knocked out in this one.
Yes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
GATEKEEPER?????/
he'll probably get run over half the time, or run away...lol
This thread is moot because the thought of King Judah losing to Joshua Clottey is laughable.
It won't happened. A determined Judah is 5 levels above Clottey and even if he did somehow lose, we all know it's just because he wasn't as focused as he could have been. But that will not happen unless Clottey hits low like he did against Baldomir that's his only shot.
JJJUUUUUDDDDAAAAHHHH
Zab should retire if he loses.
Go back down to 140
That's what I was hoping he'd do for a long time now. Judah/Hatton should have happened already IMSO.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I he lose , he would have to auto-evaluate himself and then has the option to move down , then he has to think what should do in his career.......:-\
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Originally Posted by LEGIONThat's what I was hoping he'd do for a long time now. Judah/Hatton should have happened already IMSO.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I would absolutely love to see Hatton / Judah I think the are very close in their careers as far as being past their primes a bit and are both running low on options for opposition (Hatton because hardly any 140 lbers can fill 5 seats in a stadium, and Judah because he has lost to most of the top 10 welterweights.)
Hatton would have problems with Judah's uppercuts and Judah would have problems with Hatton's hooks. honestly it's a pick em fight for me.
and i thought this fight was his last big fight if he loses
i guess if he loses he'll still get a big fight, just no money
Fight Margarito after Margarito loses to Cotto that way Margarito can retire his ass once and for all.
FUCK ZAB!
If he does lose and i think he will , he should retire and open a DANCE school , i mean we all saw how good he was in the Kostya fight , he needs to pass that ability on to others for us all to enjoy for many years.
Judah was able to weather losses to Mayweather and Cotto cuz they were elite fighters. Clottey is not. Judah loses and he's done. No more HBO and no more ShowTime. It'll be ESPN only. And he knows it. Which is why he won't lose. I'm expecting a big performance by Judah in this one.
I've always said he should move back down to 140 if he can. IMO he can for certain win a belt at that weight class and do well at that weight class. And as for this match up i think Clottey takes it by late TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by toogood4u
If Zab loses again he's finished.
Simple as, end of.
He's been given more chances than anybody, but he just hasn't capitalised.
I think if he could make 140 he would of moved back down already.
But see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONYes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
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Originally Posted by liquidBut see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONYes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
I would happily take a sig bet on this, unless you're scared.
I already got a user name change bet on the line with the Rock.
I'm sooo gonna clean house on this fight.
the only thing he can do if he was too lose....... retire.
I honestly forgot Berto has a belt now:rolleyes: My bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidBut see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONYes he is; well hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
If Zab loses I was hoping he'd go away, but I see a couple of tune-up fights on ESPN then getting another title shot.....again.
I don't see why Berto isn't put in with Zab; at least if he loses to Clottey. He'l' be nothing but a gatekeeper as far as I'm concerned. He could always fight Yoel in the shower again;D
I'm not sure what he should do....but i know what he would do. The same thing he always does, he'll say he gave it his all, and will be back even better, then ask for a title shot. Zab usuallly bases his future not on wheather he wins or not, but on brief spots of fights where he does look like pfp best, he just can't make it last a whole fight. They'll have to eventually ban this cat like holyfield before he decides to give it up. Probably daniel too.
On the winner? I've never done a sig bet before, but you are absolutely on. It'll be a repeat of him shitting the bed against Mayweather. Zab is going to look great- speed + power, but Clottey has a chin from hell and the guy jogs up to 20 miles at a time, he won't gas out. Clottey's speed isn't bad, either, he'll get some good shots in early, but he won't turn off like the street lights in the dawn, he'll keep on.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by liquidBut see that's the problem. If he loses he gets to fight for another belt? Whether Berto is ready for it or not, he's a champ now and Zab's upward-failing streak has to be broken if he loses to Clottey. Clottey won't knock him out, by the way, but he will beat him up. Zab is gonna look perty for about 5 rounds but he'll turn into a dud when he sees all that speed and power not doing anything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGION
I would happily take a sig bet on this, unless you're scared.
I already got a user name change bet on the line with the Rock.
I'm sooo gonna clean house on this fight.
Oh man, I just looked at Judah's record and I'm even more convinced. He couldn't even make the welter limit in his last two fights against guys with shitty records. Acelino Freitas, Wilfredo Negron and and Ricardo Torres all knocked Edwin Vazquez out at lower weight classes and Zab couldn't take out an old man with 12 losses and 22 victories. At least you can understand him not being able to take out Ryan Davis who's a legit LMW, but he's 20-8-2. How are either of these guys who have been knocked out due preparation for Joshua Clottey? A guy, so far as I know, who has never been knocked down. Those fights were nothing but confidence builders and Clottey is not a guy you fight after you get your confidence back. Clottey is a 'next step' guy.
Yes, I will take your bet. Let's name some terms and get this on.
If Zab loses he should blame it on his promoter,say he didn't have enough time to prepare, and complain that he was prepared for Mosley not Clottey.
Then state that he's still the top P4P guy out there. ;D
Retire, he's done if he loses. he should have went to 140 as it aint the strongest division.
If he loses he should just retire.
His problems aren't the kind that can really be fixed, you either have it mentally or you don't. He is the prime example that physical gifts aren't everything. Look at someone like Mayweather, all the physical gifts in the world but one of the best boxing minds out there. Then you look at Judah probably just as physically talented but doesn't have the mind to go with it, he also has the wrong trainer in his corner. But if Judah was ever going to make a move to improve he should have done it 3 years ago. It's a little late now. If he loses to Clottey which is a good possibility then he should just retire. Even if he went to 140 I don't think he'd have enough time to actually earn his way down there before he could even fight someone like Hatton.
I keep saying this everytime he fights, "this is his last chance"!
I'm more inclined to wonder what will he do if he wins?
Surely he won't go for Cotto again, he would get beaten up a second time, so who would he fight? Berto? I don't think he can make 140lb so a Hatton or even Pacman fight is out the equation, i think Judah has problems win or lose!
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Originally Posted by KillfaceOn the winner? I've never done a sig bet before, but you are absolutely on. It'll be a repeat of him shitting the bed against Mayweather. Zab is going to look great- speed + power, but Clottey has a chin from hell and the guy jogs up to 20 miles at a time, he won't gas out. Clottey's speed isn't bad, either, he'll get some good shots in early, but he won't turn off like the street lights in the dawn, he'll keep on.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by liquid
I would happily take a sig bet on this, unless you're scared.
I already got a user name change bet on the line with the Rock.
I'm sooo gonna clean house on this fight.
Oh man, I just looked at Judah's record and I'm even more convinced. He couldn't even make the welter limit in his last two fights against guys with shitty records. Acelino Freitas, Wilfredo Negron and and Ricardo Torres all knocked Edwin Vazquez out at lower weight classes and Zab couldn't take out an old man with 12 losses and 22 victories. At least you can understand him not being able to take out Ryan Davis who's a legit LMW, but he's 20-8-2. How are either of these guys who have been knocked out due preparation for Joshua Clottey? A guy, so far as I know, who has never been knocked down. Those fights were nothing but confidence builders and Clottey is not a guy you fight after you get your confidence back. Clottey is a 'next step' guy.
Yes, I will take your bet. Let's name some terms and get this on.
Cool..... It's a bet.
Don't forget............ Zab Judah has been training to fight Shane Mosley not Joshua Clottey up until somewhat recently. He's gonna show up in perfect shape and 1000% focused
I agree. He would win more titles there. Have an all Brooklyn fight v Malignaggi,Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Well Zab is a young guy(31) and he won't retire. But all his losses were to pretty good to really good fighters. I think a move back down to 140 if he can make the weight would be a good move. I think he could hang with any of those guy in that division.
154 also seems ripe for the picking as well.
As a Zab-disliker (hate is such a strong word)... maybe I'm alone in saying that even if he should lose to Clottey, he shouldn't retire. Hey, the guy's still young. His fights ARE entertaining. Hell, even his crazy antics begin to grow on you after awhile. I dislike him less now that he's been beaten like a drum a few times.
But seriously, why SHOULD he retire? He can still serve as acid tests for young aspiring fighters like Berto (I know Berto's a champ, but that was a cushy road to a title, for sure).
If Zab loses to Clottey, he'll keep doing what he's doing now... serving as a name opponent to quality welterweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by toogood4u
Finally marry Floyd Maywether Junior.
If he loses he's done but if he wins I see the proposed fight with Mosely being rescheduled. I would have liked to have seen him in with Floyd again. He was doing well until he started to lose his mind.
No you mean he was doing well until Mayweather adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughesd
lol mayweather simply went from defense to offense, just look at his punch stats from rounds 1-4 and rounds 5-12Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo you mean he was doing well until Mayweather adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughesd
Exactly he adjusted and Judah couldn't do the same and adjust, due to his weak mentality.Quote:
Originally Posted by toogood4ulol mayweather simply went from defense to offense, just look at his punch stats from rounds 1-4 and rounds 5-12Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBNo you mean he was doing well until Mayweather adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hughesd
So what are the terms? How long for the name and all that?Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceOn the winner? I've never done a sig bet before, but you are absolutely on. It'll be a repeat of him shitting the bed against Mayweather. Zab is going to look great- speed + power, but Clottey has a chin from hell and the guy jogs up to 20 miles at a time, he won't gas out. Clottey's speed isn't bad, either, he'll get some good shots in early, but he won't turn off like the street lights in the dawn, he'll keep on.Quote:
Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
Oh man, I just looked at Judah's record and I'm even more convinced. He couldn't even make the welter limit in his last two fights against guys with shitty records. Acelino Freitas, Wilfredo Negron and and Ricardo Torres all knocked Edwin Vazquez out at lower weight classes and Zab couldn't take out an old man with 12 losses and 22 victories. At least you can understand him not being able to take out Ryan Davis who's a legit LMW, but he's 20-8-2. How are either of these guys who have been knocked out due preparation for Joshua Clottey? A guy, so far as I know, who has never been knocked down. Those fights were nothing but confidence builders and Clottey is not a guy you fight after you get your confidence back. Clottey is a 'next step' guy.
Yes, I will take your bet. Let's name some terms and get this on.
Cool..... It's a bet.
Don't forget............ Zab Judah has been training to fight Shane Mosley not Joshua Clottey up until somewhat recently. He's gonna show up in perfect shape and 1000% focused
What you just said doesn't really matter in my mind. That's like saying Zab has been training to jump bare ass naked off a 1000 foot high cliff and instead is only going to be jumping off a 500 foot one. Either way, no matter how focused he is, he doesn't survive.