Ali holds three records that will never be beat that most did not know

Ali beat 7 future HOF fighters, he was also in FOTY 3x.

AND.

He is the only Heavyweight to win the liniar Heavyweight championship 3x, those contenders Holyfield and Lewis won token paper versions, Ali won the legit ring liniar belt 3x.

Just a thought.

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Ali beat 7 future HOF fighters, he was also in FOTY 3x.

AND.

He is the only Heavyweight to win the liniar Heavyweight championship 3x, those contenders Holyfield and Lewis won token paper versions, Ali won the legit ring liniar belt 3x.

Just a thought.

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Holyfield comes the closest. He was 2x WORLD CHAMPION and his third reign is arguable a legitimate, as he unified two alphabet titles(beating Tyson and Moorer) but he failed to gain the linear championship as he lost to Lennox Lewis (who beat Briggs who beat Foreman who beat Moorer who beat Holyfield)


Come to think of it, it is no where near as accomplished as Ali's list but Holyfield holds victories over Bowe, Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, Mercer, Moorer, Rachman, Douglas and a draw against Lewis. Not to shabby.

thought barrera had 3 FOTY, gatti had about 4 didnt he?

Basillio had to be in at least 4 FOTY's ?

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thought barrera had 3 FOTY, gatti had about 4 didnt he?

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Yes, Gatti had 4.

Ruelas
Robinson I
Ward I
Ward III

I believe Barrera was only in 2 FOTY, for Morales I and III.

The only one that is a record is the 3-time linear HW champ.

Sam Langford beat 10 Hall of Famers (not including Jack Blackburn), as did Sugar Ray Robinson.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ll-famers.html

If you're talking about Ring magazines fight of the year, Ali won it 6 times.

1963 vs Doug Jones
1964 vs Sonny Liston (was there really nothing better that year?)
1971 vs Joe Frazier
1974 vs George Foreman
1975 vs Joe Frazier
1978 vs Leon Spinks (serious WTF there)

Carmen Basillio won it 5 times, 5 years straight.

Joe Frazier and Arturo Gatti are on 4, and Micky Ward, Rocky Marciano and Rocky Graziano have 3 wins.

I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

I'm guessing he meant for a heavyweight???


Ali, true legend.


Most famous man on the planet.

Spent time with the man, Fucking Amazing. Another one, He had the biggest Balls of all time, absolutaly a one off ;D.

Spent time with the man, Fucking Amazing. Another one, He had the biggest Balls of all time, absolutaly a one off ;D.

I only typed it once Honest ;D

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I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

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Cleaning the greatest era of heavyweights out twice 10yrs apart is not hype.

You must have really meant it then!

Mando Ramos died last night.
Good fighter with a tragic life.

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I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

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Cleaning the greatest era of heavyweights out twice 10yrs apart is not hype.

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I never said it was...Im just saying losing to Neon Leon and then winning in the re-match to win the championship the 3rd time isnt the amazing story it's made out to be,Considering Leons circumstances...Getting blitzed and not being able to handle the fame such and such.

Everything else though..Obviusly amazing.

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I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

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Yeah - but he was an old man then (in the terms of the day)

How about winning the undisputed title twice, without ever having lost it in the ring?

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I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

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Cleaning the greatest era of heavyweights out twice 10yrs apart is not hype.

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I never said it was...Im just saying losing to Neon Leon and then winning in the re-match to win the championship the 3rd time isnt the amazing story it's made out to be,Considering Leons circumstances...Getting blitzed and not being able to handle the fame such and such.

Everything else though..Obviusly amazing.

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Ali by 36 was in boxing terms 45yo he was in more wars than anyone i can remember. Plus by 78 was slurring like a mofo and Doc Ferddie said he caught Ali taking Levodopa in the Coopman fight in 75 and he thinks he see that bottle in Zaire.

Look say what you want about the ring but i think Evander deserves the credit of atleast a three time champion and if you count ruiz he at least held if four times. That has never been done before so i give him that but thats just me. Thing i dont gte with Holyfeild is he never in pound pound lists i mean he may not be top ten but he is atleast 25 or 50 just wanted to through that out there as well sorry if i am rambling should just make a thread for it.

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Originally Posted by Tins06

I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

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Cleaning the greatest era of heavyweights out twice 10yrs apart is not hype.

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I never said it was...Im just saying losing to Neon Leon and then winning in the re-match to win the championship the 3rd time isnt the amazing story it's made out to be,Considering Leons circumstances...Getting blitzed and not being able to handle the fame such and such.

Everything else though..Obviusly amazing.

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I guess to countercat that point, one could argue, he beat Spinks when he was already feeling the touch of Parkinsons syndrome.

No arguing he fought and beat the best competition of any heavyweight.

All I can say is Leon Spinks. That was a legit belt.

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I always thought Ali winning the title 3 times was always a bit...hyped,i guess would be the right word.....
Im mean losing to and then beating "Neon Leon" to win it back....Not the greatest story ever...

All the other records though...what a legend.

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I agree. Ali's resume is the most amazing part to me. Winning the HW title 3 times is overblown. He had to lose to a 8 fight novice (OK, Ali was shot) in order for that to happen.

Having wins over guys like Frazier, Liston, Foreman....and beating the top contenders for such a long period of time, is probably the main reason why I think he has a stronger argument than Louis as the #1 HW ever.

He is the "greatest" :)