Just watched Mayweather-Juuko
It's funny how you almost forget how utterly dominant Mayweather was at 130... He was so fast, and very good power(the only flaw he had up higher), great defensive skills, great offensive, but most importanly he had an amazing jab, if people don't believe he has it in him, then watch Floyd at 130, you will see a jab than even Emanuel couldn't fault(the main flaw he finds with Floyd) AT 130 is where we see the RJJ like Mayweather, the great MAyweather. Its amazing people judge him as a WW when he is naturally a 130 pounder, and yet he became the best WW in the world, and everyone knows he would have been favored to beat Cotto, and everyone(I hope) knows he would have been way too fast for Margarito(think Baldomir).
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Yes Mayweather was at greatest at the lower weights ,
it really puzzles me that people hold Magarito in such high regard , personally i dont see it , maybe he will prove me wrong by beating Cotto.
Floyd would have boxed rings round Margarito. great fighter v good fighter
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It's funny how you almost forget how utterly dominant Mayweather was at 130... He was so fast, and very good power(the only flaw he had up higher), great defensive skills, great offensive, but most importanly he had an amazing jab, if people don't believe he has it in him, then watch Floyd at 130, you will see a jab than even Emanuel couldn't fault(the main flaw he finds with Floyd) AT 130 is where we see the RJJ like Mayweather, the great MAyweather. Its amazing people judge him as a WW when he is naturally a 130 pounder, and yet he became the best WW in the world, and everyone knows he would have been favored to beat Cotto, and everyone(I hope) knows he would have been way too fast for Margarito(think Baldomir).
Yeah i often laugh when ppl claim he only fights smaller men and not real WW's when he is a natural 130 pounder. Everyone said Hatton was the smaller man when in fact he walks around naturally much larger.
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That gets me to. Hatton was shorter but people forget, Mayweather is probably a natural 140 lber and fought all the way at 130. Very much annoying. I haven't watched Mayweather at 130 in quite a while, maybe I'll download this or the Hernandez fight as they are always good for a watch.
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And I think Margarito is a good fighter but look at what hell Paul Williams' movement gave him, he would only have a punchers chance against Mayweather and a punchers chance against Mayweather is really nothing at all.
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Floyd would outbox Tony all night and I think even Cotto will have too much for Tony. The only real legitimate threat to Floyd at 147 is Cotto IMO. I'm praying that Floyd will come out of retirement to face Cotto after the Tony fight.
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Taeth
It's funny how you almost forget how utterly dominant Mayweather was at 130... He was so fast, and very good power(the only flaw he had up higher), great defensive skills, great offensive, but most importanly he had an amazing jab, if people don't believe he has it in him, then watch Floyd at 130, you will see a jab than even Emanuel couldn't fault(the main flaw he finds with Floyd) AT 130 is where we see the RJJ like Mayweather, the great MAyweather. Its amazing people judge him as a WW when he is naturally a 130 pounder, and yet he became the best WW in the world, and everyone knows he would have been favored to beat Cotto, and everyone(I hope) knows he would have been way too fast for Margarito(think Baldomir).
I think Mayweather used the jab a lot against Judah. What I like is that he mixes it up from head to the body. I think those body jabs were what wore Judah down. Still, Mayweather would have lots of problems with Margarito, who would not be affected by Floyd's power and who would just hit Floyd everywhere on his body. It's not like Floyd would not be able to get hit. And clinching Margarito over twelve rounds, which I am sure would happen inside, would surely tire Floyd out. And though Floyd would be favored against Cotto, he would have a difficult time as well because Cotto knows how to handle speed and knows how to get inside. Those two are the only ones who have a chance against Floyd, not necessarily to win, but to give Floyd more problems than he has ever had in a fight.
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Taeth
It's funny how you almost forget how utterly dominant Mayweather was at 130... He was so fast, and very good power(the only flaw he had up higher), great defensive skills, great offensive, but most importanly he had an amazing jab, if people don't believe he has it in him, then watch Floyd at 130, you will see a jab than even Emanuel couldn't fault(the main flaw he finds with Floyd) AT 130 is where we see the RJJ like Mayweather, the great MAyweather. Its amazing people judge him as a WW when he is naturally a 130 pounder, and yet he became the best WW in the world, and everyone knows he would have been favored to beat Cotto, and everyone(I hope) knows he would have been way too fast for Margarito(think Baldomir).
Juuko wasnt a bad fighter and Floyd always had him under control. Justin threw alot of long shots in 4'd and 5's in that fight and Floyds defensive skills with his shoulder roll were great to watch . He displayed that vs Ndou also.
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Taeth
It's funny how you almost forget how utterly dominant Mayweather was at 130... He was so fast, and very good power(the only flaw he had up higher), great defensive skills, great offensive, but most importanly he had an amazing jab, if people don't believe he has it in him, then watch Floyd at 130, you will see a jab than even Emanuel couldn't fault(the main flaw he finds with Floyd) AT 130 is where we see the RJJ like Mayweather, the great MAyweather. Its amazing people judge him as a WW when he is naturally a 130 pounder, and yet he became the best WW in the world, and everyone knows he would have been favored to beat Cotto, and everyone(I hope) knows he would have been way too fast for Margarito(think Baldomir).
Yeah i often laugh when ppl claim he only fights smaller men and not real WW's when he is a natural 130 pounder. Everyone said Hatton was the smaller man when in fact he walks around naturally much larger.
Hatton would walk around much larger because of BODYFAT but come fight time Floyd actually has more muscle mass than Hatton. It's all about bone structure and muscle mass, which at 5'8" tall floyd would be BIG for a lightweight. Floyd being so great at lightweight does not excuse him from not fighting the best welters out there.
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Yeah I think a Margarito/Mayweather fight would look a little similar to Mayweather/Coralles... Mayweather is just to fast and too good at staying away from big punches..
Like amat said, a punchers chance doesn't mean much against a Mayweather, when you'll be lucky to land 2 solid punches the whole night..
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Yeah I think a Margarito/Mayweather fight would look a little similar to Mayweather/Coralles... Mayweather is just to fast and too good at staying away from big punches..
Like amat said, a punchers chance doesn't mean much against a Mayweather, when you'll be lucky to land 2 solid punches the whole night..
I admit, Floyd is difficult to hit flush in the face, but he is easy to hit in the body since he fights on the ropes a lot as opposed to dance around the ring. Since body work is a Margarito specialty, it is entirely possible that Floyd would slow down in the later rounds. And Floyd is NEVER going to knock down Margarito five times. Floyd has yet to fight a true welterweight other than Oscar. There's a reason he stays away from the likes of Cotto and Margarito. He might not be able to get away with his style against them.
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Yeah I think a Margarito/Mayweather fight would look a little similar to Mayweather/Coralles... Mayweather is just to fast and too good at staying away from big punches..
Like amat said, a punchers chance doesn't mean much against a Mayweather, when you'll be lucky to land 2 solid punches the whole night..
I admit, Floyd is difficult to hit flush in the face, but he is easy to hit in the body since he fights on the ropes a lot as opposed to dance around the ring. Since body work is a Margarito specialty, it is entirely possible that Floyd would slow down in the later rounds. And Floyd is NEVER going to knock down Margarito five times. Floyd has yet to fight a true welterweight other than Oscar. There's a reason he stays away from the likes of Cotto and Margarito. He might not be able to get away with his style against them.
Easy to hit on the body? Hatton and Castillo two ATG body punchers had some success going to the body v PBF, but i'd hardly say they did it easy. The body punches they hit Floyd with also had almost no effect on him. Baldomir was a true Welterweight, Oscar is bigger than a true Welter so the whole Floyd has never fought a true Welter is a load of garbage. Oscar at 154 beats any of the 'True welters ' out there at the moment.
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Mayweather would never go to the ropes like he does if he was in the ring with Margarito. Margarito's footwork isn't good enough to consistently cut the ring off. Taeth is right, look at the Baldomir fight. That's exactly what the Margarito fight would look like. Also, Floyd didn't give up the body to Hatton like he did versus De La Hoya, I really doubt he would give it to Margarito.
Just look at what trouble Margarito had when Williams was moving. Williams has nowhere near the footwork of Mayweather, I think it would be 120-108 it's just a terrible, terrible style matchup for Margarito.
Cotto is different, that's a great fight and as close to a pick em as you will get with Mayweather. A great fight between the two best fighters in the world right now imo.
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Yeah I think a Margarito/Mayweather fight would look a little similar to Mayweather/Coralles... Mayweather is just to fast and too good at staying away from big punches..
Like amat said, a punchers chance doesn't mean much against a Mayweather, when you'll be lucky to land 2 solid punches the whole night..
I admit, Floyd is difficult to hit flush in the face, but he is easy to hit in the body since he fights on the ropes a lot as opposed to dance around the ring. Since body work is a Margarito specialty, it is entirely possible that Floyd would slow down in the later rounds. And Floyd is NEVER going to knock down Margarito five times. Floyd has yet to fight a true welterweight other than Oscar. There's a reason he stays away from the likes of Cotto and Margarito. He might not be able to get away with his style against them.
Castillo is a way better body puncher than Margarito(maybe even almost as good as Cotto), and that didn't slow Mayweather down in the second fight(in the first fight its ahrd to tell because Floyd also had a hurt arm). Also Margarito would be too slow to get Mayweather on the ropes enough to do a lot of body work.
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It's funny how you almost forget how utterly dominant Mayweather was at 130... He was so fast, and very good power(the only flaw he had up higher), great defensive skills, great offensive, but most importanly he had an amazing jab, if people don't believe he has it in him, then watch Floyd at 130, you will see a jab than even Emanuel couldn't fault(the main flaw he finds with Floyd) AT 130 is where we see the RJJ like Mayweather, the great MAyweather. Its amazing people judge him as a WW when he is naturally a 130 pounder, and yet he became the best WW in the world, and everyone knows he would have been favored to beat Cotto, and everyone(I hope) knows he would have been way too fast for Margarito(think Baldomir).
Yeah i often laugh when ppl claim he only fights smaller men and not real WW's when he is a natural 130 pounder. Everyone said Hatton was the smaller man when in fact he walks around naturally much larger.
Hatton would walk around much larger because of BODYFAT but come fight time Floyd actually has more muscle mass than Hatton. It's all about bone structure and muscle mass, which at 5'8" tall floyd would be BIG for a lightweight. Floyd being so great at lightweight does not excuse him from not fighting the best welters out there.
I respectfully disagree. Even on fightnight it would have been interesting to see what Hatton came in at, and what Mayweather came in at because even though he weighed 2 pounds more at the weigh in Mayweather has never, to my knowledge, weighed more than 5 pounds above what he weighed in come fight night. Hatton has weighed in at 160 when he fought Collazo, and he did not have a lot of body fat on him that night. 160 is what Mayweather walks around at, and every WW fight he has been weighed comming into the ring the most he weighed was 149 against Baldomir.
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Crap! I think I just fell and hit my head here.
You guys realize this is Justin Juuko right, the one were using to evaluate PBF at 130.
Out of all the fighters he fought at 130 the Juuko fight is the one we're using. :confused:
Also in regards to PBFs natural weight and him being a natural SFW give me a few while I dig up a brilliant reply to that I've seen it here somewhere.
Be back in a few...
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Well the Juuko bout was an opportunity for Mayweather to showcase his skills, which he had on full display that night. No one is saying it's his best win. He wasn't a natural 130, more like a natural 140 imo.
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Crap! I think I just fell and hit my head here.
You guys realize this is Justin Juuko right, the one were using to evaluate PBF at 130.
Out of all the fighters he fought at 130 the Juuko fight is the one we're using. :confused:
Also in regards to PBFs natural weight and him being a natural SFW give me a few while I dig up a brilliant reply to that I've seen it here somewhere.
Be back in a few...
I'm not even sure what your trying to say, but I just brought up this fight because it was the random fight I decided to watch. I am not saying it is a trade mark of Mayweather's career, but it was just an example of him dominating solid competition. Of course his wins against Chavez, Corrales, G.Hernandez were more significant and more impressive, but this was a good win as well. Also how can you argue with PBF being a natural SFW? He fought more fights at SFW then he has foughten in all other weight classes combined.
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Come on guys, let's be realistics:
1. Castillo fought Mayweather at 140 and is smaller than Margarito and not stronger. THus, Margarito's body punches would be more effective (and Castillo really won the first fight, by the way).
2. Margarito is more of a body attacker than Castillo, simply because he is (and he's stronger).
3. Hatton was a blown up junior welter. Slower and less powerful. In those clinches (there were so many), Hatton was able to land many body shots. Do you really think Mayweather will be able to clinch effectively with a stronger guy like Margarito? For 12 rounds?
4. Did you see de la Hoya's body attack (something he is not known for)? He went to Floyd's body like a little bitch. Rat-a-tat-tat.
5. Baldomir is a light hitter. Any body attack he makes tickles more than hurts and he is also slower than mollasses. Of course Floyd is not going to let Baldomir near him.
6. Simply put, Margarito is a stronger and better fighter than Hatton and Baldomir. I would never use them to judge how Margarito would do against Mayweather. He has the best chance of landing one rib breaking body shot that can end the fight.
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1. Mayweather, and Castillo fought at 135
2. Castillo at that point was way better than Margarito will ever be.
3. Castillo is one of the best body punchers I've ever seen, he has quicker hands than Margarito he moves faster, and he goes to the body more effectively. It is ridiculous to say Margarito is a better body puncher, he is way too tall to be a comparably skilled body puncher, he doesn't have that great left hook Castillo has.
4. Second Hatton didn't land a whole lot of body shots on MAyweather at all, watch the fihgt again... Hatton didn't landa whole bunch of anything on Floyd.
5. Oscar did alright work on Floyd's body, but it had no effect on Mayweather, and Oscar landed good body shots on Forbes as well... Margarito doesn't hit harder than Oscar so I don't see how this proves that MArgarito's body attack would work on Mayweather.
6. Baldomir doesn't hit very hard, but your argument for why he wasn't successful against Mayweather, his lack of speed, is exactly why Margarito would have no chance against Mayweather, at least Baldomir had timing, Margarito doesn't have timing or speed, good look hitting Mayweather with neither of those.
7. Margarito is not stronger than Baldomir, nor is he a better fighter than Hatton who is 4x faster, 2x the better boxer in comparison to Tony. Tony has dreadful technique, he is slow as hell, the two things he has going for him is that he throws a ton of punches and he is tough as hell, but you need a lot more than that to beat a great fighter like Mayweather or Miguel Cotto.
8. You have no idea what your talking about RIcan so just stop now.
