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That was a fucking awful decision I've never seen that happen before.
It was unquestionably a headbutt that caused the damage so I can't see how Toney got the decision :confused:
I have no doubt it will get overturned and called a no contest within a week but that was a really poor decision.
What do you guys think?
It was shady.
Toney was coming on and beginning to batter Rahman. But, yes, rules are rules and they should be adhered to.
Rahman kept looking at Toney like "Damn your fucking me up"..that headbutt was part his fault too...he kept saying I couldnt see those rights. I think that has more to do with him being slow than the cut.
I had no problem with the descision. The cut wasn't bad enough to warrant a stoppage. Rahman quit before the docotor even asked him anything. He could of fought on. But after that 3rd round it was obvious he was looking for a way out
I've seen worst decisions so to be honest it doesn't surprise me... :(
This is supposed to be a no contest isn't it? Correct me if i'm wrong.. isn't it if w/in 4 rounds, the rule is to declare no contest if 1 fighter can't continue due to technical reason like this case by accidental headbutt. The only fault i see is that if Rahman himself decides to quit before the doctors decision to stop the fight. If this is the case then the decision should be correct.
Here in the UK if a fighters unable to continue on doctors orders even if the cuts from a headclash it goes down as a defeat and win for his opponent, no no contests here, most stupid rule!!
Was it shady.... yea, But Rahman was on the way out anyway. I would like to see Toney Klitschko
To be honest im beginning to get suprised when a fight stateside comes to a happy ending. Officiating is more often talked about than the fighters which is a crying shame.
I thought it looked ultra dodgy and im a Toney fan, i think he was coming on well but something dont seem right. Weather Rahman verbally quit i dont know it was an online feed.
Yeah that's correct and I think it's a rule that needs changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by saturday_kid
Did you see Wayne Elcock against Darren McDermott a couple weeks back. McDermott, the challenger easily won the first round and was winning the second when there was a nasty clash of heads. The fight was immediately stopped and Elcock was declared the winner.
That sucked imo, completely unfair to McDermott who was bossing the fight in those early stages.
Nobody likes to see no contests but I belive fighters need to be protected, not just from injury but from unintentional fouls and accidents losing them the fights.
Rahman should have either been told he had to fight on or else forfiet, or if he couldn't carry on, the result should have been a no contest.
I've just investigated this a bit.
The situation was; The cut was ruled to be a result of a clash of heads, however neither the doctor or the referee deemed Rahman unable to continue after the cut was inspected.
Rahman himself ruled himself unable to continue claiming he couldn't see punches coming and said "I'm not fighting with one eye."
If that is true then that is a pretty poor show by Rahman, on a show billed as some kind of last chance..Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
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Originally Posted by BilboYeah that's correct and I think it's a rule that needs changing.Quote:
Originally Posted by saturday_kid
Did you see Wayne Elcock against Darren McDermott a couple weeks back. McDermott, the challenger easily won the first round and was winning the second when there was a nasty clash of heads. The fight was immediately stopped and Elcock was declared the winner.
That sucked imo, completely unfair to McDermott who was bossing the fight in those early stages.
Nobody likes to see no contests but I belive fighters need to be protected, not just from injury but from unintentional fouls and accidents losing them the fights.
Rahman should have either been told he had to fight on or else forfiet, or if he couldn't carry on, the result should have been a no contest.
Yeah mate was actually at that fight & was gutted (mcdermott is from near me) a young(ish) fighter loses his undefeated record for nothing he has done at all. Certainly needs to be changed imo common sense isn't it.
What sort of shape was Toney in guys? is he done or could you see 1 last move for a title shot?
Not much happened in the first as I think Toney was kinda feeling him out. Things got a little better in the second but not much. In the Third Toney really started landing some good rights, and from the looks of it stunned the rock atleast once and maybe even twice. I think if the fight would have went on Toney probably would of won by TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gally
Its hard to tell since it only went three rounds but being a big Toney fan I wouldn't mind seeing him get one last shot at title.
It seemed like the doc was saying because Rahman said he couldn't see that that was his reasoning for stopping the fight. Plenty guys have fought on one-eyed (Lamon Brewster anyone) and it was the doc's responsibility to ask directly if Rahman wanted to continue. Rahman shares a little of the blame for being so vague before the fight was called. Either you wanted to continue or you didn't. That being said, if the doc made the determination that the fight had to be stopped it's a No-Contest. As much as I wanted Toney to be the winner, he didn't win. And what was with that explanation from the ref? He only makes the call for the fight to be stopped and not what the final decision is? If that's true then why did Ray Corona at first call it a No-Contest and then it was ruled a TKO? No, this should be reversed. But I DON'T want to see them go at it a 3rd time.
I'd say spherical!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gally
Seriously though, I hope he gets a shot and gets KTFO. I've never liked him or Rahman.
The fight was mired in so much controversy I completely forgot about the cut itself. I remember thinking, "Hey, that doesn't look that bad," and it makes sense that if the doc was saying it wasn't bad enough to be stopped by virtue of the cut and Rahman refused to continue then that's a TKO. Yes, it was a cut that came from a headbutt, but there are cuts and there are cuts. I guess if Jermain Taylor had complained about the cut from Hopkins' headbutt that would have been a TKO. It wasn't a fight-stopping cut. I've reversed my opinion: Rahman deserves the L for being a whiny baby. If he'd fought on (let's be real, Toney doesn't have real KO power at HW) they would have staunched the bleeding and the work Rahman put in in the first could have been repeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
The doc wasn't able to explain himself clearly. I was still confused after his explanation.
He looked fat, but nowhere near as fat as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by gally
It appeared he had done some weights on his traps and shoulders and he seemed fitter than in recent times.
I think the doctor informed the referee that Rahman said he couldn't continue, so the referee reported it as Doctor advsing the stoppage. I think!Quote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceThe fight was mired in so much controversy I completely forgot about the cut itself. I remember thinking, "Hey, that doesn't look that bad," and it makes sense that if the doc was saying it wasn't bad enough to be stopped by virtue of the cut and Rahman refused to continue then that's a TKO. Yes, it was a cut that came from a headbutt, but there are cuts and there are cuts. I guess if Jermain Taylor had complained about the cut from Hopkins' headbutt that would have been a TKO. It wasn't a fight-stopping cut. I've reversed my opinion: Rahman deserves the L for being a whiny baby. If he'd fought on (let's be real, Toney doesn't have real KO power at HW) they would have staunched the bleeding and the work Rahman put in in the first could have been repeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
The doc wasn't able to explain himself clearly. I was still confused after his explanation.
I agree largely with what you've said, but I must mention Toney's head.
Famed for his granite chin, Toney's not adverse to allowing his hard head to bludgeon incoming opponents.
Like Hagler I don't think he does it intentionally, but he certainly doesn't avoid it. So I think the cut would have been a big isue later in the fight, which is why Rahman should have tried stop it on his terms!
Absolutely nothing wrong with the desicion, Rahman quit on himself plain and simple... It was stopped because he told the doctor he couldnt see so thats why it was stopped... If Rahman kept his big mouth shut the stoppage would never have happened
Yes but the fighter doesnt make that decision. Rahman was the main one trying to stop the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
I'm not sure what to think...i've seen guys try to fight on with limbs damn near falling off, and it almost seemed like rahman was looking for exit knowing the cut rule. Either way to toney a win is a win so we're definatly gonna hear his mouth the next couple of weeks.
To be honest Mar, with the way the heavyweights are going these days, Toneys mouth would be refreshing as to add spice... Also be fun to hear Haye and Toney talking sh*t back and forth, since you know thats gonna be happening any day nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I'm going all in with Toney, he's our only hope for an American heavyweight champ....Haye Vs. Toney sounds like a perfect matchup to me.
You know what, you are probably right, that mouth off would be classic, lol !!Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockTo be honest Mar, with the way the heavyweights are going these days, Toneys mouth would be refreshing as to add spice... Also be fun to hear Haye and Toney talking sh*t back and forth, since you know thats gonna be happening any day nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Mar
By the letter of the rule it was shady but at the same time the doctor wouldn't have stopped it if not for Rahman doing all he could to get him to stop it (outside of actually saying stop it)
Exactly. There was really nothing wrong with the decision if you ask me, Rahman didn't want to fight. When you think about how many guys have fought on with much worse cuts after being behind anyways in the later rounds, it makes Rahman look like a little girl for those antics last night. He milked that for everything it was worth during and after the fight, and obviously wanted the out. I can understand since the NC rule is in place for 4 rounds or under, he obviously expected to get that result. But the fact is he wanted the fight stopped when he could have continued.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
And Toney was whipping his ass anyways;D
Rahman looked tentative from jump off.Can not over emphasis the validity to the saying, "Boxing is 80 % mental" Perfect example.:fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I gave Rahman the first round solely because Toney was less active than him in the 1st. Toney got comfy and came on in the second. The funny thing is, Rahman pumping his jab all night long may have worked. It kept Toney outside, trying to figure a way in, but Hasim just opened the door in the 2nd and invited him in.
Yeah,That jab even in the chest was offsetting Oval Toney,Rahman hardly even launched any true power shots.....by the 2nd Toney was doing that "Stomp front foot shuffle" thing,getting cocky and that right hand wobbled and stuck with Rahman in the corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
Yes but its possible that Toney was landing those right hands mostly because Rahman couldn't see out of his left eye due to all the blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadeb_21Not much happened in the first as I think Toney was kinda feeling him out. Things got a little better in the second but not much. In the Third Toney really started landing some good rights, and from the looks of it stunned the rock atleast once and maybe even twice. I think if the fight would have went on Toney probably would of won by TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by gally
Its hard to tell since it only went three rounds but being a big Toney fan I wouldn't mind seeing him get one last shot at title.
Anyway you slice it, a Toney TKO was bullshit in my opinion.
Shoulda been a No Contest.
I liked the decision. Rahman was clearly trying to quit.
The Doctor said that cut was not bad enough to stop the fight, but only stopped it because of Rahman's complaints.
After an accident, it shouldn't be the fighters choice whether he wants to quit, unless he is willing to take the KO loss. Rahman should have sucked it up like other great warriors and fought on.
The doctor never said that at all. He said that Hasim informed him he couldn't see due to the blood in his eye and he therefore recommended to the referee that the fight be stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
He said that the cut itself was not inspected but that the referee waived the fight off on his recommendation that Rahman's vision was being impaired.
Hasim didn't quit, he didn't refuse to fight. He said he couldn't see and based on that fact the referee stopped the fight.
That's a no contest according to the rules. Now the referee could have asked the doctor to examine the cut and the doctor could have said he felt it was not severe enough to stop the fight and ordered Hasim to fight on or else forfeit the fight. This however was not done, the referee made the decision to stop the fight and Hasim was not given the option of fighting on.
In such circumstances how can anyone think it's fair to award a TKO win to Toney? If the ref thought the cut was not severe enough to warrant a stoppage then he should have ordered Hasim to continue fighting. Instead he simply stopped the fight not allowing him the opportunity. As it was a headbutt that caused the damage it HAS to be a no contest under those rules.
As I said before, it will be overturned.
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Originally Posted by miles
I'll 2nd that.
Fu*k Rahman who wants to see that chump fight again anyway. By getting out then he only avoided the inevitable IMO