I know Joe has to get past Jones first but who do you think will win this fight if it does happen.:confused:
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I know Joe has to get past Jones first but who do you think will win this fight if it does happen.:confused:
Safe money would be on Calzaghe for sure, he has everything other than power over Pavlik.
The only things that would worry me are Joes age and retirement talk.
Pavlik is good and tough, he throws a dangerous right hand for someone like Calzaghe who does get caught with em.
I would see it going much the same way as Kessler, Calzaghe getting the worse of it for 2 or 3 rounds before he does what he does.
Pavlik is untested against any genuine super middles and hasnt fough anyone who can work like Joe.
No one around super middle has fought nayone who can work like Joe, thats why he keep winning but his age might just catch up with him and the facgt he wouldnt have had to make 12 stone for a year!
Id say take the Pavlik fight but if he feels much more comfortable at light heavy, do it there or not at all.
Pavlik would be a tough challenge for Calzaghe but Calzaghe's superior speed and footwork gets him a tough decision victory.
Gotta go with Joe.
Joe best performances come against attacking fighters...If pavlik stays true to himself It'll give Joe the chance to find some rythm with his counter punching. He could just dance him about the ring, and there's no stamina issues with Joe so should not be a problem for him to keep it up.
All he has to do is watch the straght right..I think Pavliks punches are quite telegraphed.With the danger Pavlik faces Joe should have 100% concentration,So he should have his wits about him with that one.
Key to this fight...Get on the back foot and circle away from that power like there's no tomorow.
I think Pavlik is a little bit overrated in the American boxing press.
He was only a few punches away from getting KOed by Taylor and he is a bit stiff and predictable but he has amazing power to compensate.
Showed be a great match up,but as long as he does not get old over night i cant see Joe losing this one.
THEN WILL JOE GET THE CREDIT HE DESERVERS?
I think this could be Calzaghes best performance.
Right now Pavlik is seen as a monster, if Calzaghe made him take the fight at light heavy he would have had the luxuryt of fighting at that weight already and being in the division closer to it his whole career, the extra weight could slow down Pavlik.
Although they were decent punchers that put him down, Pavlik doesnt seem to hav e a good a chin as Joe and the punchers Joe has faced have been naturally stronger than the ones Pavlik has faced so I think Joe would handle Pavliks power and Pavlik does get hit, even Locket clocked him a few times.
With the way Pavlik gets hit and the amount hes been hurt already I could see Joe getting a decent stoppage win late on.
Pavlik has shown good stamina but would it be the same carrying an extra 15 pounds?
Would Joe still want to fight like Kessler made him after fighting a couple of old boys?
I dont think the fight would be at super middle, Joe just wants to hold on to the title because its been his for so long, I dont think he would chance finding out he cant make the weight anymore.
I picked Joe, but more out of loyalty than anything else. Its 50-50 for me, and we'll know more aftre their respective next fights. Despite all the 'Hopkins makes anyone look bad' talk Joe has definitely slipped in terms of hand speed AND foot speed (but that could be from the higher weight and he'll have learned his lesosn).
Joe loves guys that come to him he whips them i think Kelly will take a shlacking to be honest.
Pav struggled in the 2nd Taylor fight when Jermain decided to box. Joe boxes at twice that pace and throws alot more. Could be onesided TBH. Joe would start a pretty big favourite in my book .
Calzaghe will box his head off. Even at 37! ;DQuote:
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Originally Posted by milesCalzaghe will box his head off. Even at 37! ;DQuote:
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Pav may stand a chance vs anyone else but this is the wrong fight for him
Work rate is even . Pavlik throws about 80 -110 punches a round. Pavliks punches are accually punches not slaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Conditioning goes to Pavlik
Chin ,Pavlik as well
Expirence is all Calzaghe
Power is Pavlik
Heart is most likely a draw.
Height , Pavlik
reach , Pavlik
body attack , Pavlik
speed , Calzaghe but I feel Taylor was faster than Joe has been in the last 4 years.
defense , split
I cant see any other possibility than Joe getting his little ass kicked.
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Originally Posted by southakron314Work rate is even . Pavlik throws about 80 -110 punches a round. Pavliks punches are accually punches not slaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Conditioning goes to Pavlik
Chin ,Pavlik as well
Expirence is all Calzaghe
Power is Pavlik
Heart is most likely a draw.
Height , Pavlik
reach , Pavlik
body attack , Pavlik
speed , Calzaghe but I feel Taylor was faster than Joe has been in the last 4 years.
defense , split
I cant see any other possibility than Joe getting his little ass kicked.
Seriously what a load of crap!
Chin goes to Pavlik? on what basis? theve both been down 3x and Calzaghe has fought bigger tougher men who hit harder than say Zuniga?
Defence Split?
Conditioning Pavlik?
Fanboyism of the highest order.
How about footwork? skill?
Calzaghe owns, the only thing Pavlik has over Calzaghe is power and we will see just how Hard Pavlik hits up at 170lbs, hes not figting 5 8" midgets and in his one fight at SMW he looked far from domanant.
I really hope Pavlik beats Hopkins i pray Joe gets to him quick.
See how Calzaghe fights when he is not fighting overrated euro fighters aqnd old men. Calzaghe has never been close to any one power wise not even Kessler. Hopkins put Calzaghe on his ass with one flush short right. Pavlik took 4 strait hard right from Miranda. One of those punches two fights ago sent a guy threw the ropes. You want to talk about footwork, When has Pavlik ever thrown a punch off balance. You need a good base to deliver power. Calzaghe is weak. His chin is questionable. One shot from Hopkins.Quote:
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Originally Posted by southakron314Work rate is even . Pavlik throws about 80 -110 punches a round. Pavliks punches are accually punches not slaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Conditioning goes to Pavlik
Chin ,Pavlik as well
Expirence is all Calzaghe
Power is Pavlik
Heart is most likely a draw.
Height , Pavlik
reach , Pavlik
body attack , Pavlik
speed , Calzaghe but I feel Taylor was faster than Joe has been in the last 4 years.
defense , split
I cant see any other possibility than Joe getting his little ass kicked.
Seriously what a load of crap!
Chin goes to Pavlik? on what basis? theve both been down 3x and Calzaghe has fought bigger tougher men who hit harder than say Zuniga?
Defence Split?
Conditioning Pavlik?
Fanboyism of the highest order.
How about footwork? skill?
Calzaghe owns, the only thing Pavlik has over Calzaghe is power and we will see just how Hard Pavlik hits up at 170lbs, hes not figting 5 8" midgets and in his one fight at SMW he looked far from domanant.
I really hope Pavlik beats Hopkins i pray Joe gets to him quick.
Come one. Pavlik knockout of Calfage by the 9th.
I like Pavlik's style a HELL OF A LOT MORE than I do Calzaghe's, but this would not be an easy fight for Pavlik.
Calzaghe, being the wily old veteran that he is, is not going to make this a crowd-pleasing fight. He's going to avoid exchanges like the plague, and use his footwork and hand speed to throw the occasional light-punching flurry at Pavlik. Pavlik, although a wildly entertaining fighter and one of my favorites, can be a bit plodding at times. And Joe will surely try to take advantage of that.
Having said all that, I still voted Pavlik, 'cause it is a 12-round fight, and there's always a chance the crowd will goad Calzaghe into mixing it up with Pavlik, which of course would be his undoing.
Hard one to call. I'd like to see Pavlik fight at SMW before I have to vote on this one because even though I know that he fought Taylor at a catchweight just short of SMW Taylor himself has never fought up at that weight so he can't really be classed as a natural SMW yet and that means that Pavlik has not fought anyone who is a SMW. That said Joe is certainly not getting any younger and Pavlik seems to be getting stronger and stronger so at the moment I think I would just edge it for Pavlik.
(Especially after Joe takes a beating off Roy.)
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Apart from the hopkins fight please list the fights calzaghe has been in that has not been pleasing on the eye? none because Calzaghe is pleasing and will exchange.
He has out war`d more skillful bigger punchers than Kelly Pavlik.
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Originally Posted by southakron314See how Calzaghe fights when he is not fighting overrated euro fighters aqnd old men. Calzaghe has never been close to any one power wise not even Kessler. Hopkins put Calzaghe on his ass with one flush short right. Pavlik took 4 strait hard right from Miranda. One of those punches two fights ago sent a guy threw the ropes. You want to talk about footwork, When has Pavlik ever thrown a punch off balance. You need a good base to deliver power. Calzaghe is weak. His chin is questionable. One shot from Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
Seriously what a load of crap!
Chin goes to Pavlik? on what basis? theve both been down 3x and Calzaghe has fought bigger tougher men who hit harder than say Zuniga?
Defence Split?
Conditioning Pavlik?
Fanboyism of the highest order.
How about footwork? skill?
Calzaghe owns, the only thing Pavlik has over Calzaghe is power and we will see just how Hard Pavlik hits up at 170lbs, hes not figting 5 8" midgets and in his one fight at SMW he looked far from domanant.
I really hope Pavlik beats Hopkins i pray Joe gets to him quick.
Come one. Pavlik knockout of Calfage by the 9th.
His chin is questionable? how many Calzaghe fights have you seen?
And Hopkins at lightheavy and Kessler at SMW are far better wins than anything pavlik holds, hell Chris Eubank is better than 99% of Pavliks wins.
Calzaghe has an iron chin you can bank on it.
Calzaghe was off balance and unhurt from Hopkins shot, did you see the uppercuts he took from kessler? massive shots a hell of a lot bigger than the right hand Zuniga dropped pavlik with.
Agreed Calzaghes chin is grand, Any time he's been down he hasn't been hurt, he took alot of big bombs off Kessler and passed the test, Pavliks chin is pretty solid as well but he was all over the shop against Taylor, so it would be intresting to see how he'd do against big hitting suppermiddle/light heavy guys, don't think Calzaghe's power will trouble him but I think he'd out work him pretty handilyQuote:
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Originally Posted by southakron314See how Calzaghe fights when he is not fighting overrated euro fighters aqnd old men. Calzaghe has never been close to any one power wise not even Kessler. Hopkins put Calzaghe on his ass with one flush short right. Pavlik took 4 strait hard right from Miranda. One of those punches two fights ago sent a guy threw the ropes. You want to talk about footwork, When has Pavlik ever thrown a punch off balance. You need a good base to deliver power. Calzaghe is weak. His chin is questionable. One shot from Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Come one. Pavlik knockout of Calfage by the 9th.
His chin is questionable? how many Calzaghe fights have you seen?
And Hopkins at lightheavy and Kessler at SMW are far better wins than anything pavlik holds, hell Chris Eubank is better than 99% of Pavliks wins.
Calzaghe has an iron chin you can bank on it.
Calzaghe was off balance and unhurt from Hopkins shot, did you see the uppercuts he took from kessler? massive shots a hell of a lot bigger than the right hand Zuniga dropped pavlik with.
Well, there WAS that memorable battle with the mighty Peter Manfredo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Apart from the hopkins fight please list the fights calzaghe has been in that has not been pleasing on the eye? none because Calzaghe is pleasing and will exchange.
He has out war`d more skillful bigger punchers than Kelly Pavlik.
;)
It'v very much dependant on whether or not pavlik can hurt Joe. Providing that Pavlik doesn't land an absolute bomb, i can't see anyway for him to win. I go for Joe and quite comfortably.
I actually feel he'll have a tougher night against Jones.
Ain't been keepin' up with boxing lately, but I'll half to say Calzaghe. It's really only a guess tho. :eek:
Who? Who has more accuracy , range and overall power? Kessler , Lacy.... forget about it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Apart from the hopkins fight please list the fights calzaghe has been in that has not been pleasing on the eye? none because Calzaghe is pleasing and will exchange.
He has out war`d more skillful bigger punchers than Kelly Pavlik.
Enough to know that he has been put on his ass by mediocre guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314See how Calzaghe fights when he is not fighting overrated euro fighters aqnd old men. Calzaghe has never been close to any one power wise not even Kessler. Hopkins put Calzaghe on his ass with one flush short right. Pavlik took 4 strait hard right from Miranda. One of those punches two fights ago sent a guy threw the ropes. You want to talk about footwork, When has Pavlik ever thrown a punch off balance. You need a good base to deliver power. Calzaghe is weak. His chin is questionable. One shot from Hopkins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Come one. Pavlik knockout of Calfage by the 9th.
His chin is questionable? how many Calzaghe fights have you seen?
And Hopkins at lightheavy and Kessler at SMW are far better wins than anything pavlik holds, hell Chris Eubank is better than 99% of Pavliks wins.
Calzaghe has an iron chin you can bank on it.
Calzaghe was off balance and unhurt from Hopkins shot, did you see the uppercuts he took from kessler? massive shots a hell of a lot bigger than the right hand Zuniga dropped pavlik with.
This pleases me. I will laugh if Jones wins and he retires . Thats how it needs t be. Roy prime for prime was way faster, more powerful , andQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanWell, there WAS that memorable battle with the mighty Peter Manfredo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkusyes lets not forget the worthy Manfredo who lost twice to a super welter weight and once to a welter weight. He lost to a guy who got crushed by a worthy Cotto. Enzo has the balls to say Pavlik isnt worthy. They are coming off a split decision win ( which I thaught was a loss because I dont count arm punches and slaps as landing anything. Hopkins was never hurt or in trouble in that fight. One the other hand Hopkins hurt Joe four times and floored him once and still got raped by the judges. The judges beat Hopkins .. not Calzaghe) agianst a geriatric. I hope Pavlik crushes him in front of his father and country man who travel to Vegas to see their woman fight. I hope he leaves him limp in the ring. This will most likely be a boring fight of Calzaghe running and throwing arm punches and slaps. Pavlik will land flush like always. Well then again he didnt on Lockett and still knocked his sorry ass down time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Apart from the hopkins fight please list the fights calzaghe has been in that has not been pleasing on the eye? none because Calzaghe is pleasing and will exchange.
He has out war`d more skillful bigger punchers than Kelly Pavlik.
;)
comanded the ring better than anyone at 168 or even 160. He was a beautiful fighter in the ring and I am glad for the great years watching him from the time I was a boy until know at 28. Thank you Roy Jones Jr.
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Originally Posted by southakron314Enough to know that he has been put on his ass by mediocre guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by southakron314
His chin is questionable? how many Calzaghe fights have you seen?
And Hopkins at lightheavy and Kessler at SMW are far better wins than anything pavlik holds, hell Chris Eubank is better than 99% of Pavliks wins.
Calzaghe has an iron chin you can bank on it.
Calzaghe was off balance and unhurt from Hopkins shot, did you see the uppercuts he took from kessler? massive shots a hell of a lot bigger than the right hand Zuniga dropped pavlik with.
Calzaghe has been down and never shown to be hurt you keep going on about that its crap. Pavlik has been down the same amount as Joe and Calzaghe has been a pro 11 more yrs than pavlik. Calzaghe has never been out on his feet or hurt Pavlik has, a Welterweight put him down.
This Calzaghe chin business is crap.
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Originally Posted by TitoFanWell, there WAS that memorable battle with the mighty Peter Manfredo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Apart from the hopkins fight please list the fights calzaghe has been in that has not been pleasing on the eye? none because Calzaghe is pleasing and will exchange.
He has out war`d more skillful bigger punchers than Kelly Pavlik.
;)
Why would you bring Manfredo up? he has nothing to do with what im talking about and all elite fight cans lockett anyone? Sharmba mitchell anyone?
The big one is Pavlik being a retard sticking his chin out and putting his hands by his side to stick his tounge out and he paid. He came back from a ton of punches and left a great champ slumped lifeless in the corner so to say he has a weak chin is shit too. Pavlik has never been down from one clean shot. He slipped with Bronco McKart and they ruled it a knockdown. I dont even count that and he knocked out the former slugger champ out in the middle rounds. Look at the shots he took from Miranda. He was never hurt of even phased. Locket maybee landed one good shot. Locket was a complete joke. He got knocked out from grazing blows just to show you how much power he has. I would say Pavlik jumping to 168 would be the hardest puncher in that class and maybe a top 5 in 175. He is a beast with good defense. great chin. World class conditioning and the heart of Gatti. What is not to like about him. He is like the 1985 chicago bears.Quote:
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Originally Posted by southakron314Enough to know that he has been put on his ass by mediocre guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Calzaghe has been down and never shown to be hurt you keep going on about that its crap. Pavlik has been down the same amount as Joe and Calzaghe has been a pro 11 more yrs than pavlik. Calzaghe has never been out on his feet or hurt Pavlik has, a Welterweight put him down.
This Calzaghe chin business is crap.
calzaghe was pretty shaken up when he got dropped by big right hand from salemQuote:
Originally Posted by PhilAgreed Calzaghes chin is grand, Any time he's been down he hasn't been hurt, he took alot of big bombs off Kessler and passed the test, Pavliks chin is pretty solid as well but he was all over the shop against Taylor, so it would be intresting to see how he'd do against big hitting suppermiddle/light heavy guys, don't think Calzaghe's power will trouble him but I think he'd out work him pretty handilyQuote:
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Originally Posted by southakron314
His chin is questionable? how many Calzaghe fights have you seen?
And Hopkins at lightheavy and Kessler at SMW are far better wins than anything pavlik holds, hell Chris Eubank is better than 99% of Pavliks wins.
Calzaghe has an iron chin you can bank on it.
Calzaghe was off balance and unhurt from Hopkins shot, did you see the uppercuts he took from kessler? massive shots a hell of a lot bigger than the right hand Zuniga dropped pavlik with.
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Originally Posted by southakron314The big one is Pavlik being a retard sticking his chin out and putting his hands by his side to stick his tounge out and he paid. He came back from a ton of punches and left a great champ slumped lifeless in the corner so to say he has a weak chin is shit too. Pavlik has never been down from one clean shot. He slipped with Bronco McKart and they ruled it a knockdown. I dont even count that and he knocked out the former slugger champ out in the middle rounds. Look at the shots he took from Miranda. He was never hurt of even phased. Locket maybee landed one good shot. Locket was a complete joke. He got knocked out from grazing blows just to show you how much power he has. I would say Pavlik jumping to 168 would be the hardest puncher in that class and maybe a top 5 in 175. He is a beast with good defense. great chin. World class conditioning and the heart of Gatti. What is not to like about him. He is like the 1985 chicago bears.Quote:
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Originally Posted by southakron314
Calzaghe has been down and never shown to be hurt you keep going on about that its crap. Pavlik has been down the same amount as Joe and Calzaghe has been a pro 11 more yrs than pavlik. Calzaghe has never been out on his feet or hurt Pavlik has, a Welterweight put him down.
This Calzaghe chin business is crap.
I like Pavlik he is very exciting its just the guys that follow him and choose to make up crap about every opponent between 160-175 yet deny Pavlik has any weakness.
Im not saying Kelly has a weak him but someone said his chin is better than Calzaghes, im mearly stating on what basis.
That said i still think Joe will "slap" his way to a masterclass.