I have been reading how de la Hoya's people are saying Manny would be a tougher opponent than Cotto. Boy what people would do to sell a fight.
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I have been reading how de la Hoya's people are saying Manny would be a tougher opponent than Cotto. Boy what people would do to sell a fight.
we will just have to wait and see. manny infact is the p4p king. the only thing against pac is that his smaller. sometimes fighters know some are that good their size can not be overlooked. oscar is definitly not overlooking how smaller pac is. he does know him and pacs trainer well. he must know what his talking about. oscar could be worried more because of pacs speed and unlimited stamina.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rican
Oscar is different from Oscar's people, unless you have direct quote of Oscar saying this then you should change the title of this thread because it misrepresents the situation.
Oscar people must be smoking crack. Now that I think about it I think I want to see Cotto-Pac. Yeah that would be nice
oscar will be an easier fight than cotto ;D. pac just got to get to the 7th round with oscar and he can pick him apart from there while oscar is gas once again. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Good point. I doubt Oscar himself would say something that ridiculous. His people, however, are laughable, at how transparent their desperate attempts to hype a fight with Pacquiao really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Stylistically Pacman vs Oscar would be a good matchup. But realisticly Oscar is way too big. I mean Oscar has weighed in as high as 160lbs whereas Manny weighed in for his debut at 106lbs. I know that neither of these are either fighters natural weight but for me Manny at Lightweight has gone as high as he can EFFECTIVELY go and Oscar would probably demand a catchweight of 150.
I personally would prefer to see Manny take over and unify the 135 division and I would like to see Oscar fight the winner of the Cotto-Margarito fight. I certainly wouldn't write Oscar out of winning a fight between himself and the winner of that either.
The only thing is say he does take on the winner of that fight and beat them what would happen then? Mayweather would all of a sudden want a rematch with Oscar and then retirement would be out of the window for Oscar as it would then be too much of a money making event for the money making machine that is Oscar De La Hoya!
obviously this is a publicity stunt to make this fight happen. Because if Glory is what Oscar and PAC wants then they should fight the best in the welterweight division(winner of Cotto-Margarito).
Just so happens that Oscar-PAC combo could probably sell more than Oscar vs. ............ or PAC vs......................
To reiterate this fight is not for Glory or divisional supremacy but a delusional attempt for a mega buck showdown between some of the biggest names in boxing currently
True, very true. Didn't mean to mislead anyone with the post at all (not my style). Just meant to spur anaylysis and conversation. Regardless, knowing de la Hoya and his money grubbing, I wouldn't put it past him to actually claim that publicly sometime in the future. He is a smart guy and I wouldn't put it past him to OK his people to make the comment, either. It's all speculation, I must admit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I read that Arum told Roach to shut up dogging Oscar as its unprofessional and not making it any easier doing a deal.
Freddie seems to think Manny is superman.
This is absolutely ridiculous. Easier money maybe, but not easier in the ring.
The reality is it's just for the money, logic dictates PAC has a minute chance of winning let alone completing the 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
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Originally Posted by PavlikThe reality is it's just for the money, logic dictates PAC has a minute chance of winning let alone completing the 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Its a money fight no doubt, i cannot see Pacquaio fighting Oscar before fighting Hatton. Oscar is probably talking about fighting the winner.
Why would pac not fight Hatton at 140 (hich in mosts eyes is a pickem) get a truck load of money anyway then move up again and fight Oscar?
SPOT ON!! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikThe reality is it's just for the money, logic dictates PAC has a minute chance of winning let alone completing the 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Its a money fight no doubt, i cannot see Pacquaio fighting Oscar before fighting Hatton. Oscar is probably talking about fighting the winner.
Why would pac not fight Hatton at 140 (hich in mosts eyes is a pickem) get a truck load of money anyway then move up again and fight Oscar?
To answer that question: Because Hatton is not available this year.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikThe reality is it's just for the money, logic dictates PAC has a minute chance of winning let alone completing the 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Its a money fight no doubt, i cannot see Pacquaio fighting Oscar before fighting Hatton. Oscar is probably talking about fighting the winner.
Why would pac not fight Hatton at 140 (hich in mosts eyes is a pickem) get a truck load of money anyway then move up again and fight Oscar?
PAC wanted to fight Hatton in November but unfortunately Hatton is already booked with Paulie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikThe reality is it's just for the money, logic dictates PAC has a minute chance of winning let alone completing the 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Its a money fight no doubt, i cannot see Pacquaio fighting Oscar before fighting Hatton. Oscar is probably talking about fighting the winner.
Why would pac not fight Hatton at 140 (hich in mosts eyes is a pickem) get a truck load of money anyway then move up again and fight Oscar?
PAC needs a fight in November or December and Hoya might be available.
So it might come out this way for PAC, Hoya in December and Hatton next year.
Either that or Oscar can just keep him on the distance with a jab and the one-two like Eric did for an easy unanimous decision. Even the crowd roared "Ooooleeeee" every time Pac did his straight left charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainoscar will be an easier fight than cotto . pac just got to get to the 7th round with oscar and he can pick him apart from there while oscar is gas once again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
And many of his fans too can't see Manny loosing even if he fought a heavyweight or daring themselves to mention a weakness or two.Quote:
Freddie seems to think Manny is superman.
This fight will benefit Oscar and Pac when it comes to money. I somehow feel Pac draws way more fans than Cotto and ODLH can fight a bum and still sell out EVEN A STADIUM! How many fighters nowadays can do that? Anyways, ODLH vs Pac will definitely bring more money and both will leave the ring happily after the fight.
Assuming PAC and Cotto are of the same size (assuming they're both natural 147 boxers), who do you think the easier fight for Oscar?
OK forgive me for asking this, I'm afraid I'm taking the bait.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Why would anyone ever assume that Pac and Cotto are the same size?
no way in hell, Cotto would give oscar a ass kicking whereas manny wouldn't.
Well Freddie knows Manny puts din-din on the table so I'd talk him up too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
So that we can evaluate the other factors (skills, speed, heart, stamina, etc.) in PAC and Cotto's arsenal that can possibly give problems to Hoya. Remember we will not factor the size here, assume PAC and Cotto are of same size.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatOK forgive me for asking this, I'm afraid I'm taking the bait.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Why would anyone ever assume that Pac and Cotto are the same size?
Am I the only one that wants Oscar just to go away. He can retire with all his money and start cross dressing again
I vote "Yes."Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
OK, you mean match them up P4P or match them up as prospective ODLH opponents? Because if it's matching them up and comparing them for ODLH, then you can't assume they are the same size because they simply aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxerSo that we can evaluate the other factors (skills, speed, heart, stamina, etc.) in PAC and Cotto's arsenal that can possibly give problems to Hoya. Remember we will not factor the size here, assume PAC and Cotto are of same size.Quote:
Originally Posted by amatOK forgive me for asking this, I'm afraid I'm taking the bait.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Why would anyone ever assume that Pac and Cotto are the same size?
I'd rather he wear drag AND beat up Ricky Hatton.....and then piss on him while Ricky's being counted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
Why the anger towards Ricky???? Well the fans he brings are all worthless chavs and hooligans (not sure if I'm being redundant but I hate you all)
Oscar is crazy if he thinks he'd beat Cotto....Cotto just whipped Shane Mosley in a way that Oscar STILL couldn't do, and Oscar got clipped by Floyd and damn near took a spill so I think Cotto could KO Oscar....we've all seen him take a good body shot before and he didn't like it very much
Why thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleI'd rather he wear drag AND beat up Ricky Hatton.....and then piss on him while Ricky's being counted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
Why the anger towards Ricky???? Well the fans he brings are all worthless chavs and hooligans (not sure if I'm being redundant but I hate you all)
Oscar is crazy if he thinks he'd beat Cotto....Cotto just whipped Shane Mosley in a way that Oscar STILL couldn't do, and Oscar got clipped by Floyd and damn near took a spill so I think Cotto could KO Oscar....we've all seen him take a good body shot before and he didn't like it very much
I'm glad your fighters gentlemanly demeanour has rubbed off on you.
Say what you will but I'm not going to boo anyone's national anthem.
I am not a Mayweather fan but how in the hell can you explain what the "fans" that Ricky brings to the fights do?
Ricky might be a class guy and he seems like it but his fans are worthless and they have gone out of their way to prove it
Nor am I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Ricky has long alligned himself with Manchester City Football club.
This has allowed him a massive number of fans, from both Manchester Cities supportes and English Football. These sports are famed for notoriously aggresive fans and in the sport booing an opposing National anthem or theme song is nothing unusual.
(I know you're already aware of this Lyle, you support Liverpool, so I don't mean to preach to you.)
I think since that time, Ricky's people have gone out of their way to change that behaviour.