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Cotto tried.
Cotto vs Margarito II anyone?
;D
Can Miguel bounce back?
Tony was up on 2 score cards.
Will this bring Mayweather Jr out of retirement?
Does Floyd want any of the Tornado? He didn't before.
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I guess now we know why. Cotto hit Tony with everything but the kitchen sink and the man just kept coming. Tony is not very polished but damn it does he bring it.:mad:
Tony has to have one of the best chins in boxing history, he literally doesn't feel punches.
I want to see Tony vs Williams 2, and Floyd better damn well come out of "retirement" and fight these monsters.
Marg is a bad, bad dude. I was one of his biggest detractors but he made huge fan out of me
i see cotto margarito II.. but how different can this fight go?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
cotto gave EVERYTHING HE HAD to margarito.. he was hitting clean and hard and as accurate as possible and margarito walked through those punches.. what can you say that Cotto can do differently? NOTHING..
so as far as Cotto/Margarito II, as exciting it would be, i don't see it going any differently, therefore i can understand if it doesn't happen..
does mayweather come out of retirement to fight Margarito? HELL NO.. there is no money in that fight.. all the money was for a Mayweather/Cotto matchup, where you had two undefeated fighters.. that idea is out the window.. whats next? who knows..
I had Margarito by UD. this was even better. great effort by both fighters. Cotto still great
No because it would be an earlier Ko next time. Watch PBF come out of the wood wors now. But he will have a hard time to with the Tornado. GO MARGARITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
You are a true Cotto fan. But there were many bandwagon jumpers who were shouting "WAR COTTO", so Im sure they wont feel your pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
But remember this, Danny:
1)You criticized PBF for going on his bicycle.
2)You laughed at Judah for bowing down to Cotto and ending the fight on his knees.
So tonight, Cotto's title was:
Miguel "Mayweather" Judah
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Cotto was making margarito miss a lot when he went on his bicycle and pot shotting. At one point i though cotto was going to pull ahead. The problem was he tired from too much bicycling.
They should call Margarito The Titanium Tijuanan.
I don't see how this makes any of you believe Margarito has any sort of chance against Floyd. I mean Floyd is so much better at backing up then Cotto, he's way hard to hit, he's way faster of foot. I think if anything the first 6 rounds showed that Margarito can be badly outboxed, and Mayweather is still head over shoulders the best boxer in the world. Margarito is a good fighter, but no way can he catch Mayweather.
I think Cotto tired from not being able to breath due to his nose and mouth bleeding. The nose gives you the best oxygen intake, and it was bleeding way too much.
I am literally sick right now! This is exactly what I was afraid of when this fight was announced. Cotto couldn't keep up the pace and he was beaten down bottom line. You cannot hurt Tony, but Floyd would still make him look bad. One thing Floyd, is no matter what anyone says is a tremendous athlete, and he would not tire against Margarito. Cotto started getting a little hollywood with those glasses and that outfit to the weigh in. Margarito was reppin' Mexico and Cotto was reppin' Mark Echo WTF! Excuse me for my drunken venting!:mad:
I agree though, Miguel Cotto wasn't fighting Miguel Cotto's fight. as against Mosely, he can counter off the ropes, but he also gets hit way too much off the ropes.
As Hatton, Dela Hoya, Ndou, Chavez, Baldomir would all tell you, when Mayweather doesn't want to get hit its a nightmare trying to hit him even, especially, on the ropes. Also Cotto wasn't tying Margarito up at all when he was on the ropes... Mayweather would slip under the left hook and clinch, move away counter, land some jabs, make Margarito miss 15 punches on the ropes, rinse/dry/repeat.
cotto can def bounce back u see his fights are always intense, its what we love and he brings it
he might of lost the fight but i dotn think he loses any respect
its almost like judah losing to cotto......u lost but u gave it ur all and lost to the better man
He he...I think after months of not having time to post I can proudly say...Danny G...gutted!!
I was actually rootin for Cotto and I had Cotto up due to cleaner work (always prefer the better craftsman) but like I said to my boy as we were watching this fight...Margarito does not give a fuck about those punches...Cotto has to win this the way he is fighting for 12 rounds or get ktfo. The latter happened unfortunately but what a fight. I'm up for the rematch but what's the point? Cotto has too much pride and Marg follows the same blueprint to maybe an earlier win.
Cotto should have kept centre of the ring and never drifted off to the ropes as much as he did..his tactics were good apart from the back tracking in a straight line. Stick close to Marg in the middle of the ring because nothing bad can happen to you there against him. Cotto was beating him to the punch on the inside and was blocking a lot of Marg's stuff. Don't let Marg get his range because that is where Cotto was getting fucked.
Fuck it though..I know Danny G is crying inside creating this topic, pretending to give props to Marg and that's satisfying enough for me even though I feel bad for Cotto
The body work early won this fight. Cotto slowed down enough for the slower Tony to catch him and finally start landing some rights to go with the lefts. Great fight, great game plan, Margarito is relentless!
The announcers failed in this one. Cotto was taking major major punishment those last 3 rounds and they ignored it. I wasn't sure he'd come out for the 11th.
PS I drew the 11th round in our pool and won some much needed loot.
I liked this fighht.Fun stuff ;D Margarito simply walked him down...point blank but Cotto had moments with stick & move in spots.This was Margaritos game plan executed.Tell ya what...I'd rather see rematch before the either ODH or Mayweather merrit the big show
Cotto didn't take major punishment in the 9th and most of the 10th, He won the 9th and I think he won the 10th by winning the first 2 minutes of it so clearly. I still say he had breathing problems.
anyone who has a fighting style made for walking down another fighter will have issues with Margarito since they will not be walked down
So just stand your ground in the middle of the ring and keep it on the inside where you're clearly winning. Cotto back tracked giving Margarito his range costing him the fight. He was winning the fight in my eyes, he just had to finish the fight on his feet (although apparently 2 judges had Marg up). Margarito adapted in this fight and Cotto didn't..respect to Margarito. Respect to both fighters. Great fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
A great night huh Spicoli'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Let them have a rematch; same outcome but maybe earlier. This will leave a lasting impression on Cotto and not sure how he'd react when he steps in again with Margarito.
Props to Cotto, that guy never quits. Cintron wouldn't have made it 5 rounds with Tony tonight.
I still say Floyd beats Tony pretty decisively. Cotto would be a harder fight for Floyd and I would still love to see a Cotto/Mayweather match up.
i agree cotto would still be harder for mayweather simply because cotto is quicker and has more sharper/accurate punches.. compared to a pressure fighter who floyd, at this point of his career has fought enough pressure fighters, that he could dispose of him in his sleep..Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONA great night huh Spicoli'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Let them have a rematch; same outcome but maybe earlier. This will leave a lasting impression on Cotto and not sure how he'd react when he steps in again with Margarito.
Props to Cotto, that guy never quits. Cintron wouldn't have made it 5 rounds with Tony tonight.
I still say Floyd beats Tony pretty decisively. Cotto would be a harder fight for Floyd and I would still love to see a Cotto/Mayweather match up.
but i don't even know what comes next..
I don't see mayweather defeatin margarito. Cotto put on a brilliant defensive show and was still steamrolled by tony.
cotto fought "brilliantly defensive" against a sloppy boxer.. big deal..Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
have you seen mayweather fight? he's the slickest of slick and can dodge bullets.. if Margarito lands 1/8th of the punches on mayweather that he landed on Cotto tonight then he would be lucky..
You know what no one talks about with all these PBF fights??? Ring rust. That squirrely little man may be the most skilled boxer by far, but you fight one fight a year and then take time off here and there.......your ass is gonna get caught by the boogyman for being an inactive fuck. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33cotto fought "brilliantly defensive" against a sloppy boxer.. big deal..Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
have you seen mayweather fight? he's the slickest of slick and can dodge bullets.. if Margarito lands 1/8th of the punches on mayweather that he landed on Cotto tonight then he would be lucky..
Tony may seem simple at times but from what Ive seen,Mayweather would lose much sleep indeed Vs. Margarito.By no means is that a gimme after this....come on?There's only so much ring to waltz with and Tony insist's that you stand your ground.....:-X;DQuote:
Originally Posted by RP33i agree cotto would still be harder for mayweather simply because cotto is quicker and has more sharper/accurate punches.. compared to a pressure fighter who floyd, at this point of his career has fought enough pressure fighters, that he could dispose of him in his sleep..Quote:
Originally Posted by LEGIONA great night huh Spicoli'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Let them have a rematch; same outcome but maybe earlier. This will leave a lasting impression on Cotto and not sure how he'd react when he steps in again with Margarito.
Props to Cotto, that guy never quits. Cintron wouldn't have made it 5 rounds with Tony tonight.
I still say Floyd beats Tony pretty decisively. Cotto would be a harder fight for Floyd and I would still love to see a Cotto/Mayweather match up.
but i don't even know what comes next..
Margarito is the best possible pressure fighter you could ever create. He is actually video game like. Floyd would not be tired by Margarito and would school him for 12 rounds. Floyd is an elite athlete and his conditioning would hold up to the barrage. Picture SRL/Duran II. Cotto falls in the middle where he is pretty good at everything, but tonight Tony broke his will and he was just gassed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
good point.. but the fact that it takes margarito a few rounds to get going, and looking at the hatton fight, it takes mayweather a few rounds to adjust to everything, i still think he would be fine.. BUT i do agree with you, that if there was one thing to do floyd in, it would be his inactivity..Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Mayweather is dangerous because of his speed and defence. If Margarito can break cotto's defence then he will break mayweather's as well.
Margarito takes one (or two and three maybe) to land a good shot. I don't know, mayweather may just slip and slide the whole night and end up with a technical win (boring though). Cotto/Mayweather maybe a better match up becuase Cotto is a lot faster.
understood, but wait til tomorrow after this margarito buzz is over (which i am well enjoying btw) and then re-assess the situation.. watchin hatton/mayweather, then ODLH/mayweather.. it's the same shit.. stalking by the pressure fighter, and countering by mayweather.. mayweather/margarito would NOT be a pretty fight as mayweather would clinch as soon as tony came in close, but tony isn't as quick as cotto, and i think mayweather would see his punches coming and dodge them matrix style.. no doubt tony is the harder puncher and given the opportunity to sneak a shot in there it would have more effect than cotto's punch, but i'd see cotto connecting easier/more often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
just ask yourself if margarito hits harder then ODLH.. then ask yourself whos quicker..
i favor ODLH in both departments, which yields a victory for mayweather as he disposed of ODLH handily..
so with that logic, you're saying that Cotto's defense is better than Mayweathers..Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
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enough with this heresy.
But delahoya stopped using what was working and was exhausted as the fight wore on. Delahoya stamina cost him that fight. Tony gets stronger as the fight goes into the deep.
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Originally Posted by RP33so with that logic, you're saying that Cotto's defense is better than Mayweathers..Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
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enough with this heresy.
I'm saying cotto's defence is damn good. Tony handled cotto's defence and speed advantage and he will handle floyd's defence and speed advantage.
cotto was poorly conditioned for his own strategy....if he had truly trained for the pace and circling the ring as he did in the first round this would have been an easy night....at first i was thinking mayweather-corrales...but then cotto either lost focus or got tired...either way i feel bad that cotto lost esp after I gave him mad deserved props after he beat shane...but nevertheless floyd would not get tired against margarito and would be able to dodge and circle all night long...i still would rather see floyd-cotto or floyd-shane than to see pbf batter the stalking margarito for 12 rounds..
I'm not one to get caught up in Temporary Carnival barker Hype,Heres what I know.Margarito just knocked out the # 1 Welter and had Mayweather turn him down in prior opportunity and opted to "retire".I'm enjoying what Margarito accomplished tonight. I do not recall mentioning ODH as hopeful but call me nuts.......I think Tony shot per shot & volume lands harder than Oscar :-X ODH has better selection and skill set....but Margarito lands harshly and often.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33understood, but wait til tomorrow after this margarito buzz is over (which i am well enjoying btw) and then re-assess the situation.. watching hatton/mayweather, then ODLH/mayweather.. it's the same shit.. stalking by the pressure fighter, and countering by mayweather.. mayweather/margarito would NOT be a pretty fight as mayweather would clinch as soon as tony came in close, but tony isn't as quick as cotto, and i think mayweather would see his punches coming and dodge them matrix style.. no doubt tony is the harder puncher and given the opportunity to sneak a shot in there it would have more effect than cotto's punch, but I'd see cotto connecting easier/more often..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
just ask yourself if margarito hits harder then ODLH.. then ask yourself who's quicker..
i favor ODLH in both departments, which yields a victory for mayweather as he disposed of ODLH handily..
I almost feel sorry for Danny. Poor guy probably had all sorts of great photoshop pics and clever videos just waiting to be loosed onto Margarito fans after a Cotto win:-\ Tough break Danny;D Maybe after a rematch.
Props to Cotto; a game guy who just couldn't get it done tonight. Anyone else would have fallen to the beating Cotto was dishing out.
Mayweather would be fine with not fighitng for a year, he usually takes a huge amount of time between fights, and he always stays in great shape, I am sure he is still in great shape, he would just have a longer training camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerYou know what no one talks about with all these PBF fights??? Ring rust. That squirrely little man may be the most skilled boxer by far, but you fight one fight a year and then take time off here and there.......your ass is gonna get caught by the boogyman for being an inactive fuck. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by RP33cotto fought "brilliantly defensive" against a sloppy boxer.. big deal..Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
have you seen mayweather fight? he's the slickest of slick and can dodge bullets.. if Margarito lands 1/8th of the punches on mayweather that he landed on Cotto tonight then he would be lucky..
i think cotto wasnt good at that kind of boxing that he did...he usually dont circle around the whole ring that made him lose his stamina within the fight...IF cotto-margarito2 will happen...cotto must make EXTREME workout on his stamina that could make him sustain what hed done on first 2 rounds of the fight...if he can do that for 12 long rounds, then he could have chance...;)
:spam: Someone mercy repped you ??Where are my manners :biteit:Quote:
Originally Posted by hit2win
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Body work, body work, body work. Most announcers and fans ignore it. Cotto almost went down a few times thru out the fight from body punched, that the announcers completely ignored.
The judges didn't ignore it either as they had Tony winning the fight. Cotto just couldn't protect the body throughout the fight and it wore him down. Cotto was spent because of the viscous assault on his body from round 1 of the fight. He was so much slower in every way by the 7th and 8th rounds, it was like a different fighter in there.
This was a body work clinic. If only the announcers would pay attention, they wouldv'e called a much better fight. Even the rounds Tony clearly lost, he was landing that left hook to the body. I think he really hurt Cotto to the body in the second and never let up.
Yep agree that PBF would not want to mess with Tony. I see Cotto sticking to the 140 division tho as he can be so edominant there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamerQuote:
Originally Posted by RP33so with that logic, you're saying that Cotto's defense is better than Mayweathers..Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
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enough with this heresy.
I'm saying cotto's defence is damn good. Tony handled cotto's defence and speed advantage and he will handle floyd's defence and speed advantage.
Cotto's defense is damn good? Like when he wouldn't tie Tony up when Tony had him on the ropes and he wasn't throwing back? ... I agree that Cotto's defense is good when he isn't tired, but he doesn't have anything near the defensive capability of Mayweather. Mosley hit him with numerous right hands that would have never landed on MAyweahter partly becuase of his footwork, partly because of his speed, and partly becuase of his defensive ability in general. Mayweather is faster than Cotto(especially in footspeed which is the key point), better counter puncher, better defense(than maybe anybody ever in boxing), and he has better stamina.