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It sounds brutal and the kind of fight that can ruin a young fighter if Cotto truly took as much punishment as was described. Something like Taylor Chavez in which Meldrick was never mentally or physically the same again.
For those of you who saw the fight, do you think Cotto will return back to the same form he was and even better from this loss, or do you think from this moment on a big chunk of miguel cotto will be missing, because he left it in that ring. Discuss
Cotto took alot mostly to the body. I dont think he has the chin to really get physically messed up im sure this will hit him mentally though.
I think Margarito will always have Cottos number as Cotto really cant work the body of Tony otherwise he will get hit, styles and Cottos main weapon his body work was nearly nullified.
Cotto wont ever fight Margarito again.
I think Cotto still has the ability to win a rematch, but its an uphill battle. I was watching his fights with Abdullaev and Lovemore Ndou, and he seemed to have way better stamina in those fights, I still can't help but feel that his stamina was effected, and thats more why he was so damaged. I mean Margarito never really hurt Cotto with any one punch, I don't think this fight will effect Cotto physically in the long run any more than the Mosley fight, but I think mentally its a whole different scenario. I just hope Cotto can get over it. He can still beat almost anyone else in the division, and like I said he might even beat Margarito the next time around if his nose doesn't get broken.
If anything his biggest hurdle will be if he can get over the psychological effect. Anytime an undefeated fighter first loses, it's devastating. Losing in such fashion as last night has to be even more devastating. Only time will tell.
i do hope so, he put on a great performance and i hope it isn't his last.
You have to wonder if Margarito will be the same also. It does not matter how good your chin is, but taking shots to the head like that over and over again is going to take something from you.
Antonio took some punches that were downright scary looking. I mean if he wants an enjoyable life past boxing, he should not have many more fights.
I think he'll be back but he needs a long layoff (of actual fighting and sparring) to heal up and then he needs to come back with a fight vs someone that is a light puncher and more of a defensive fighter just to get back in the groove of boxing again.
Fights like that one CAN ruin fighters but I think Cotto is a tough SOB and he'll be back to his top form in no time.
Briiliant fight, try this link... http://www.mmashare.com/video-miguel-cotto-vs-antonio-margarito-boxing-fight-t2158.html
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
He took harder shots against Cintron.
FRom the 2nd round Cotto wasnt moving the shoulders when Punching either the Body shots which I doubt. Or Tony Punching with him detroyed his confidence, methinks the second option was the problem.
One problem for Cotto is that sometimes when you have a top guy in your division who you can't get past you just move up a division, or down one. Cotto's stuck really, he's too big for 140, but not a real big 147 pounder and definitely not a 154 pounder. It would be different if it was Tony who lost, he's really a 154 pounder fighting at 147 so he could just move up. Cotto really can't so he either rematches Tony or goes about his business hoping Tony loses, moves up, gets old, whatever.
Cotto can still get the other titles in the division but right now he doesn't need to fight Tony again.
Cotto will be fine. You could tell by the good grace in which he accepted his defeat that it he just accepted that it wasn't his night. Just to be sure he should be given a confidence booster. Put him in with Quintana again, then either give him another fight before taking on Tony again, or alternatively go after Berto or the winner of next week's fight. Cotto is a world class fighter who would beat almost anyone within his weightclass. Fighters as good as him rarely fall apart after 1 defeat.
I really think psychologically this is devastating. Not only to lose, but basically to be beaten down into submission. Margarito made Cotto quit. I called it before the 11th. Cotto looked done. He wanted out of that fight. It was a beating after the 6th.
After Cotto got hurt in the 7th he came back and did ok in the 8 round.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
No doubt he will be back. He wasn't knock down or Knock out he took a knee 2 times to evade not get seriously hurt. he was still competitive during round 11 but MArgos just kept coming forward no matter what hit him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
He was still trying to win the fight up until the 11th....Cotto wasn't backing down from Tony he was punching as hard as he could but it just had no effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
Margarito's chin is the best I have ever seen
Certainly is a great chin he has but someone else comes to mind when we talk about good chins, (no not Wlad lol) Oscar De La Hoya. Look at all the great fighters he's faced and taken clean head shots off but noone ever knocked him out with a head shot only Hopkins with a good body shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleHe was still trying to win the fight up until the 11th....Cotto wasn't backing down from Tony he was punching as hard as he could but it just had no effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
Margarito's chin is the best I have ever seen
I take exception to the way "armchair fans" use the word "quit" so freely. The "no mas" by Duran in his second fight against Sugar Ray Leonard was quitting. Quitting on your stool when you appear to still have an outside chance of winning... that's quitting. The guys that used to take dives versus Mike Tyson... that's quitting. Cotto didn't quit. He was beaten into a bloody mess... kept fighting... and his corner was visibly ready to throw in the towel to avoid some serious injury. None of that constitutes quitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
And the beating came gradually after the 7th or 8th round. It was competitive for most of the fight. It wasn't a one-sided beating all of a sudden after the 6th round.
Certainly not! I still had Cotto ahead going into the 11th.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI take exception to the way "armchair fans" use the word "quit" so freely. The "no mas" by Duran in his second fight against Sugar Ray Leonard was quitting. Quitting on your stool when you appear to still have an outside chance of winning... that's quitting. The guys that used to take dives versus Mike Tyson... that's quitting. Cotto didn't quit. He was beaten into a bloody mess... kept fighting... and his corner was visibly ready to throw in the towel to avoid some serious injury. None of that constitutes quitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
And the beating came gradually after the 7th or 8th round. It was competitive for most of the fight. It wasn't a one-sided beating all of a sudden after the 6th round.
Cotto did not look good after 6 and 7 he had a look of dread on his face. Not that he quit but more that he knew Tony had taken his best no problem and that he himself was getting hurt more and more and that Tonys pace would not let up.
I liken Cotta's situation to both the beating that Meldrick Taylor took at the hands of Julio Cesar Chavez and the one that Fernando Vargas took with Felix Trinidad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Margarito fought a brilliant defensive fight. When they were in the center of the ring, he had his elbows in tight to protect his body and he backed Cotta into the ring ropes. Many of Cotta's blows were arm blows, while Margarito was using the long, looping blows as well as the ones straight down the middle.
Margarito devastated Cotta with his left uppercut. In the 7th round, I think it was, Margarito delivered a series of triple left uppercuts that took the steam out of Cotta. After that, every series of multiple left uppercuts left Cotta dazed and with blood dripping down his face.
Exactly like the Taylor V JCC fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty417I liken Cotta's situation to both the beating that Meldrick Taylor took at the hands of Julio Cesar Chavez and the one that Fernando Vargas took with Felix Trinidad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Margarito fought a brilliant defensive fight. When they were in the center of the ring, he had his elbows in tight to protect his body and he backed Cotta into the ring ropes. Many of Cotta's blows were arm blows, while Margarito was using the long, looping blows as well as the ones straight down the middle.
Margarito devastated Cotta with his left uppercut. In the 7th round, I think it was, Margarito delivered a series of triple left uppercuts that took the steam out of Cotta. After that, every series of multiple left uppercuts left Cotta dazed and with blood dripping down his face.
In the 7th round, I think it was, Margarito hit Cotto with a series of triple left uppercuts that changed the complexion of the fight. In the 8th and 9th rounds, he attempted to use the left uppercut, but Cotto still had some fight in him. Margarito started softening him up in those rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuCertainly not! I still had Cotto ahead going into the 11th.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanI take exception to the way "armchair fans" use the word "quit" so freely. The "no mas" by Duran in his second fight against Sugar Ray Leonard was quitting. Quitting on your stool when you appear to still have an outside chance of winning... that's quitting. The guys that used to take dives versus Mike Tyson... that's quitting. Cotto didn't quit. He was beaten into a bloody mess... kept fighting... and his corner was visibly ready to throw in the towel to avoid some serious injury. None of that constitutes quitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRBOXINGFAN
And the beating came gradually after the 7th or 8th round. It was competitive for most of the fight. It wasn't a one-sided beating all of a sudden after the 6th round.
In the 10th round, he started using the left uppercut near the end and got Cotto into trouble again. That's when the HBO shill, Jim Lampley, pointed out that Margarito had gone two rounds without any damaging blows.
In the 11th round, Margarito started opening up and using the left uppercut off combinations. That's when Cotto quit. He knew what was coming. He didn't go out like a champion and get knocked off his feet. He became afraid of the punishment that the left uppercut was doing to his nose, making him choke on his own blood. After taking the knee, Cotto went down again without being hit, because he was afraid of what was about to happen.
Roberto Duran pulled his "no mas," because he was unable to hit Sugar Ray Leonard, who was making him look foolish by winding up with a right handed bolo punch and then hitting him with the left hand. Duran quit out of frustration and humiliation as if to say, "I'm not going to play your game," and then afterwards realizing the ramifications of his actions.
In a sad moment, Alexis Arguello sat in the corner, on the ground, and allowed himself to be counted out, shaking his head. He knew that he couldn't beat Aaron Pryor and the outcome was going to be the same. With the heart of a champion, he wasn't afraid of getting hurt, but he was acknowledging that no matter what he could do, he wasn't going to change the outcome of this fight.
But he took nowhere near the number of clean shots in the Cintron fight and they didn't come in combinations and weren't sustained over 11 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
He took harder shots against Cintron.
I would never rule out Cotto in a rematch. Of course he can come back. You can give the example of Taylor-Chavez but then you could also give the example of Leonard-Hearns which was very much like this fight imo as far as momentum shifts go. Lots of really good fighters have been KO'd dramatically and come back to win big fights again.
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Originally Posted by Deanrw
Cotto aint the biggest puncher in the world and Tony wasnt aversly affected by Cintrons shots.
Cotto couldnt put a dent in mosley but Forrest starched him, he couldnt wipe out Zab like Tszyu, he couldnt hurt Ndou like Witter and so and so on.
Margarito wouldnt have been as eager to walk through his punches if he was a puncher.
Cotto was always going to be too small, he made a name in this division by fighting old past it fighters who werent genuine welters to start with.
Miguel was always going to be too small, regardless of skill, if your not strong enough or dont hit hard enough or have blinding speed to land at will you aint going to beat someone who was so much bigger and stronger.
Cotto IS a big puncher Tony can just take more damage than anyone I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Forrest knocked Shane down ONCE and I do believe it was after a headbutt.
Tzsyu is one of the all-time biggest power punchers at 140 and Cotto still KO'd Zab who has only been KO'd by Tszyu and Cotto.
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Originally Posted by amatBut he took nowhere near the number of clean shots in the Cintron fight and they didn't come in combinations and weren't sustained over 11 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
He took harder shots against Cintron.
I would never rule out Cotto in a rematch. Of course he can come back. You can give the example of Taylor-Chavez but then you could also give the example of Leonard-Hearns which was very much like this fight imo as far as momentum shifts go. Lots of really good fighters have been KO'd dramatically and come back to win big fights again.
Margarito is the closest ive ever seen to being a soul breaking fighter. When fighting him you know two things that one he will take your best and two he will not stop coming so when entering the final 3rd of a bout already busted up and already hit him with everything a pending doom must come over fighters.
He broke Cintron and he broke Cotto both physically and mentally.
Cotto wont want to fight Tony for a long long time.
That's a good point. Everybody trashes Tony's defense and how Cotto was hammering him, little do they know, his face is part of his defensive arsenal. It's like a third glove that he uses to pick off shots. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by scotty417
There's no way that fight won't have an effect on Cotto physically and mentally. It also now looks like Kermit Cintron is on his dance card at some point in the future and he's going to be worried about getting into the ring with any big puncher from now on.
I don't think Cotto's chin failed him so much as his legs did.
IMO it wasnt Chin, legs, or stamina as much as it was his spirit. He lost that fighting spirit after about the 7th round. You could see the looks on his face he just had ntohing to throw at Toni and that broke him mentally. This will make Miguel Cotto afraid of getting in the ring with any big man. He needs to go back down to 140 somehow
I don't see Cotto ever being the same. He will comeback and probably have some success. I don't Top Rank putting him into a danderous fight anytime soon. But as far as being the same, Fernando Vargas comes to mind.
You know when commentators use the old "it must be demoralising your shots bouncing off" i didnt take note i always thought you would be happy hitting him and at some point you would believe it would slow your opponent down. But against Margarito you know the guys like the terminator he will just keep coming and if you dont have the legs or a huge lead chances are you will lose.
I think this fight will strike fear into Margaritos opponents it will put real pressure on them they will know they have to start fast and sustain it.
Let's put it this way, he won't get any better after this fight. In the end his face looked like all of his previous opponents. He should take the rest of the year off and try and comeback next year, i don't think he should press for a rematch. It could get tough for Cotto from now on.
Cotto put up a hell of a fight, He is a true Warrior.
I think he broke down mentally after Maragrito kept coming.
dont think that he will be hurt physically but he could be in a very bad mental state
I think it's important to remember the first rounds, where he looked like truly the best fighter in boxing. He was simply in there with an iron will, but the skills are there for the world to see, he's still far and away the most skilled welterweight in the world imo and maybe the most skilled fighter in the world.
Im completely agree Taeth , that will not affect to Cotto , contrary of this he will get this in a positive sense , next time his routine of training will have to do some others adjustment , thats all...............he had dominating the fight until round 11 , i dont know how others can thinks that Cotto would not want fight Margaro again .............:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
great post I will always say that Margarito's chin made all the difference in the world. EVen Margo said that Cotto hit him very hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Cotto hurt MArgos right eye it was bleading watch the interview