Will Cotto ever be the same after tonight?

[Puya]

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It sounds brutal and the kind of fight that can ruin a young fighter if Cotto truly took as much punishment as was described. Something like Taylor Chavez in which Meldrick was never mentally or physically the same again.


For those of you who saw the fight, do you think Cotto will return back to the same form he was and even better from this loss, or do you think from this moment on a big chunk of miguel cotto will be missing, because he left it in that ring. Discuss

No doubt he will be back. He wasn't knock down or Knock out he took a knee 2 times to evade not get seriously hurt. he was still competitive during round 11 but MArgos just kept coming forward no matter what hit him.

[El Kabong]

I really think psychologically this is devastating. Not only to lose, but basically to be beaten down into submission. Margarito made Cotto quit. I called it before the 11th. Cotto looked done. He wanted out of that fight. It was a beating after the 6th.

He was still trying to win the fight up until the 11th....Cotto wasn't backing down from Tony he was punching as hard as he could but it just had no effect.


Margarito's chin is the best I have ever seen

[rjj tszyu]

I really think psychologically this is devastating. Not only to lose, but basically to be beaten down into submission. Margarito made Cotto quit. I called it before the 11th. Cotto looked done. He wanted out of that fight. It was a beating after the 6th.

He was still trying to win the fight up until the 11th....Cotto wasn't backing down from Tony he was punching as hard as he could but it just had no effect.


Margarito's chin is the best I have ever seen

Certainly is a great chin he has but someone else comes to mind when we talk about good chins, (no not Wlad lol) Oscar De La Hoya. Look at all the great fighters he's faced and taken clean head shots off but noone ever knocked him out with a head shot only Hopkins with a good body shot.

[TitoFan]

I really think psychologically this is devastating. Not only to lose, but basically to be beaten down into submission. Margarito made Cotto quit. I called it before the 11th. Cotto looked done. He wanted out of that fight. It was a beating after the 6th.

I take exception to the way "armchair fans" use the word "quit" so freely. The "no mas" by Duran in his second fight against Sugar Ray Leonard was quitting. Quitting on your stool when you appear to still have an outside chance of winning... that's quitting. The guys that used to take dives versus Mike Tyson... that's quitting. Cotto didn't quit. He was beaten into a bloody mess... kept fighting... and his corner was visibly ready to throw in the towel to avoid some serious injury. None of that constitutes quitting.

And the beating came gradually after the 7th or 8th round. It was competitive for most of the fight. It wasn't a one-sided beating all of a sudden after the 6th round.

[rjj tszyu]

I really think psychologically this is devastating. Not only to lose, but basically to be beaten down into submission. Margarito made Cotto quit. I called it before the 11th. Cotto looked done. He wanted out of that fight. It was a beating after the 6th.

I take exception to the way "armchair fans" use the word "quit" so freely. The "no mas" by Duran in his second fight against Sugar Ray Leonard was quitting. Quitting on your stool when you appear to still have an outside chance of winning... that's quitting. The guys that used to take dives versus Mike Tyson... that's quitting. Cotto didn't quit. He was beaten into a bloody mess... kept fighting... and his corner was visibly ready to throw in the towel to avoid some serious injury. None of that constitutes quitting.

And the beating came gradually after the 7th or 8th round. It was competitive for most of the fight. It wasn't a one-sided beating all of a sudden after the 6th round.

Certainly not! I still had Cotto ahead going into the 11th.

[Markusdarkus]

Cotto did not look good after 6 and 7 he had a look of dread on his face. Not that he quit but more that he knew Tony had taken his best no problem and that he himself was getting hurt more and more and that Tonys pace would not let up.

[scotty417]

You have to wonder if Margarito will be the same also. It does not matter how good your chin is, but taking shots to the head like that over and over again is going to take something from you.

Antonio took some punches that were downright scary looking. I mean if he wants an enjoyable life past boxing, he should not have many more fights.

I liken Cotta's situation to both the beating that Meldrick Taylor took at the hands of Julio Cesar Chavez and the one that Fernando Vargas took with Felix Trinidad.

Margarito fought a brilliant defensive fight. When they were in the center of the ring, he had his elbows in tight to protect his body and he backed Cotta into the ring ropes. Many of Cotta's blows were arm blows, while Margarito was using the long, looping blows as well as the ones straight down the middle.

Margarito devastated Cotta with his left uppercut. In the 7th round, I think it was, Margarito delivered a series of triple left uppercuts that took the steam out of Cotta. After that, every series of multiple left uppercuts left Cotta dazed and with blood dripping down his face.

[Onix]

You have to wonder if Margarito will be the same also. It does not matter how good your chin is, but taking shots to the head like that over and over again is going to take something from you.

Antonio took some punches that were downright scary looking. I mean if he wants an enjoyable life past boxing, he should not have many more fights.

I liken Cotta's situation to both the beating that Meldrick Taylor took at the hands of Julio Cesar Chavez and the one that Fernando Vargas took with Felix Trinidad.

Margarito fought a brilliant defensive fight. When they were in the center of the ring, he had his elbows in tight to protect his body and he backed Cotta into the ring ropes. Many of Cotta's blows were arm blows, while Margarito was using the long, looping blows as well as the ones straight down the middle.

Margarito devastated Cotta with his left uppercut. In the 7th round, I think it was, Margarito delivered a series of triple left uppercuts that took the steam out of Cotta. After that, every series of multiple left uppercuts left Cotta dazed and with blood dripping down his face.

Exactly like the Taylor V JCC fight.

[scotty417]

I really think psychologically this is devastating. Not only to lose, but basically to be beaten down into submission. Margarito made Cotto quit. I called it before the 11th. Cotto looked done. He wanted out of that fight. It was a beating after the 6th.

I take exception to the way "armchair fans" use the word "quit" so freely. The "no mas" by Duran in his second fight against Sugar Ray Leonard was quitting. Quitting on your stool when you appear to still have an outside chance of winning... that's quitting. The guys that used to take dives versus Mike Tyson... that's quitting. Cotto didn't quit. He was beaten into a bloody mess... kept fighting... and his corner was visibly ready to throw in the towel to avoid some serious injury. None of that constitutes quitting.

And the beating came gradually after the 7th or 8th round. It was competitive for most of the fight. It wasn't a one-sided beating all of a sudden after the 6th round.

Certainly not! I still had Cotto ahead going into the 11th.

In the 7th round, I think it was, Margarito hit Cotto with a series of triple left uppercuts that changed the complexion of the fight. In the 8th and 9th rounds, he attempted to use the left uppercut, but Cotto still had some fight in him. Margarito started softening him up in those rounds.

In the 10th round, he started using the left uppercut near the end and got Cotto into trouble again. That's when the HBO shill, Jim Lampley, pointed out that Margarito had gone two rounds without any damaging blows.

In the 11th round, Margarito started opening up and using the left uppercut off combinations. That's when Cotto quit. He knew what was coming. He didn't go out like a champion and get knocked off his feet. He became afraid of the punishment that the left uppercut was doing to his nose, making him choke on his own blood. After taking the knee, Cotto went down again without being hit, because he was afraid of what was about to happen.

Roberto Duran pulled his "no mas," because he was unable to hit Sugar Ray Leonard, who was making him look foolish by winding up with a right handed bolo punch and then hitting him with the left hand. Duran quit out of frustration and humiliation as if to say, "I'm not going to play your game," and then afterwards realizing the ramifications of his actions.

In a sad moment, Alexis Arguello sat in the corner, on the ground, and allowed himself to be counted out, shaking his head. He knew that he couldn't beat Aaron Pryor and the outcome was going to be the same. With the heart of a champion, he wasn't afraid of getting hurt, but he was acknowledging that no matter what he could do, he wasn't going to change the outcome of this fight.

[amat]

You have to wonder if Margarito will be the same also. It does not matter how good your chin is, but taking shots to the head like that over and over again is going to take something from you.

Antonio took some punches that were downright scary looking. I mean if he wants an enjoyable life past boxing, he should not have many more fights.

He took harder shots against Cintron.

But he took nowhere near the number of clean shots in the Cintron fight and they didn't come in combinations and weren't sustained over 11 rounds.

I would never rule out Cotto in a rematch. Of course he can come back. You can give the example of Taylor-Chavez but then you could also give the example of Leonard-Hearns which was very much like this fight imo as far as momentum shifts go. Lots of really good fighters have been KO'd dramatically and come back to win big fights again.

[ross]

You have to wonder if Margarito will be the same also. It does not matter how good your chin is, but taking shots to the head like that over and over again is going to take something from you.

Antonio took some punches that were downright scary looking. I mean if he wants an enjoyable life past boxing, he should not have many more fights.

Cotto aint the biggest puncher in the world and Tony wasnt aversly affected by Cintrons shots.

Cotto couldnt put a dent in mosley but Forrest starched him, he couldnt wipe out Zab like Tszyu, he couldnt hurt Ndou like Witter and so and so on.

Margarito wouldnt have been as eager to walk through his punches if he was a puncher.

Cotto was always going to be too small, he made a name in this division by fighting old past it fighters who werent genuine welters to start with.

Miguel was always going to be too small, regardless of skill, if your not strong enough or dont hit hard enough or have blinding speed to land at will you aint going to beat someone who was so much bigger and stronger.

[El Kabong]

Cotto aint the biggest puncher in the world and Tony wasnt aversly affected by Cintrons shots.

Cotto couldnt put a dent in mosley but Forrest starched him, he couldnt wipe out Zab like Tszyu, he couldnt hurt Ndou like Witter and so and so on.

Cotto IS a big puncher Tony can just take more damage than anyone I've ever seen.

Forrest knocked Shane down ONCE and I do believe it was after a headbutt.

Tzsyu is one of the all-time biggest power punchers at 140 and Cotto still KO'd Zab who has only been KO'd by Tszyu and Cotto.

[Markusdarkus]

You have to wonder if Margarito will be the same also. It does not matter how good your chin is, but taking shots to the head like that over and over again is going to take something from you.

Antonio took some punches that were downright scary looking. I mean if he wants an enjoyable life past boxing, he should not have many more fights.

He took harder shots against Cintron.

But he took nowhere near the number of clean shots in the Cintron fight and they didn't come in combinations and weren't sustained over 11 rounds.

I would never rule out Cotto in a rematch. Of course he can come back. You can give the example of Taylor-Chavez but then you could also give the example of Leonard-Hearns which was very much like this fight imo as far as momentum shifts go. Lots of really good fighters have been KO'd dramatically and come back to win big fights again.

Margarito is the closest ive ever seen to being a soul breaking fighter. When fighting him you know two things that one he will take your best and two he will not stop coming so when entering the final 3rd of a bout already busted up and already hit him with everything a pending doom must come over fighters.

He broke Cintron and he broke Cotto both physically and mentally.

Cotto wont want to fight Tony for a long long time.

[Jesse James]

Margarito fought a brilliant defensive fight.

That's a good point. Everybody trashes Tony's defense and how Cotto was hammering him, little do they know, his face is part of his defensive arsenal. It's like a third glove that he uses to pick off shots.

[Kirkland Laing]

There's no way that fight won't have an effect on Cotto physically and mentally. It also now looks like Kermit Cintron is on his dance card at some point in the future and he's going to be worried about getting into the ring with any big puncher from now on.