I say ODLH beats Margarito or Cotto

I've always felt ODLH would beat Cotto because he is bigger,faster, and far more durable with a similar level of skills. Cotto might have had a chance with that deadly body arsenal, but besides that Oscar has the better, longer jab, he didn't get to show how hard he lands that left hook against Forbes and Mayweather because their style specifically blocks that punch, however his left hooks that landed against Mayorga were harder then any punch I've seen Cotto ever land. I love Cotto, but this fight also would be all wrong for him because Oscar is a very similar fighter to him, but twice as big(not actually, but close).

The Margarito fight would be closer, simply because Oscar wears down late in fights, but if he fought a similar fight as he employed against Mayorga I think he could go 12 strong rounds, and I don't see Margarito being able to wear Oscar down in 12 rounds. Oscar is very fast, and can land that left hook to devastating effect. If you watch Margarito against both Cotto and Cintron not to take anything away from his chin, but by putting his opponents on their back foot he really stops them from throwing their hardest punches because nobody throws as hard going backwards. However Oscar has that wonderful jab would be able to create a little distance because I saw when Cotto came forward behind his jab that Margarito was letting him a little bit, and while Cotto just backs up after throwing a combination I think Oscar would keep this fighting the middle of the ring because he has the strength, durability, and skillset to do that. Margarito was a sparing partner of Oscar's which a fighter usually only keeps if a fighter is good enough to push them, but not good enough to beat the shit out of them(except Ali).

Anyways I could see Oscar being WW champion if he really wanted to persue with the intensity he persued Mayorga or Mayweather with.

Anyone? This is jsut my opinion.

Agreed.

Great observation, but i don't agree that he can beat Margarito. I'm not ready to make Margarito the next best thing just because he be Cotto. Even before the fight i think he would have beaten Oscar that's why he stayed away from him when he was calling him out. I just thing he is to big and strong for ODLH . He is too far removed from the fighter he was years ago to beat him. Now i for one thought that if ODLH fought Cotto i think he will destroy him. His boxing ability is just to much for Cotto and it might sound crazy, but i think Oscar is stronger than him too also faster. Cotto's boxing ability has gotten better but if he was to fight Oscar i think he would give Cotto a boxing lesson he would never forget.

Oscar is pretty strong, I mean he stayed there physically with Mayorga who is a very strong 154 pounder, who actually is pretty similar to Margarito. I mean when Mayorga fought Trinidad, Felix couldn't hurt him with head shots so he went to the body to take Mayorga out.

i feel you on that but the fact of the matter is Mayorga we love him basically for his out the ring antics. He has great stamina, and can take a punch. He hits hard when he lands, but He can't fight to save his life. His stance is funny, and he throws the widest punches i ever seen in my life. He kinda fight like that retard that knocked Vivan Harris out, Carlos Maussa.;D Also he hasn't won a fight of any importance since he beat Vernon Forest. I hear your points though.

ODH fought at middle I don't think Margo is bigger than him.

I think he beats both at 154

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i feel you on that but the fact of the matter is Mayorga we love him basically for his out the ring antics. He has great stamina, and can take a punch. He hits hard when he lands, but He can't fight to save his life. His stance is funny, and he throws the widest punches i ever seen in my life. He kinda fight like that retard that knocked Vivan Harris out, Carlos Maussa.;D Also he hasn't won a fight of any importance since he beat Vernon Forest. I hear your points though.

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That sounds like Margarito to me. I love the fact that Mayorga took like 3 left hooks from Trinidad with his hands down. I can't remember if it stunned him or not, but I would be willing to bet it would stun anyone.

Taeth....

You seem to read my mind...

The Cotto fight would be closer than Teath thinks IMO. Oscar wouldn't do nearly enough of the things he has to at this point in his career.

Also, Margarito would turn Oscars face inside out. For the same reasons.

A peak Oscar in early 2000 yes but not now. I feel he would be weight drained and be ineffective against Margarito.

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I've always felt ODLH would beat Cotto because he is bigger,faster, and far more durable with a similar level of skills. Cotto might have had a chance with that deadly body arsenal, but besides that Oscar has the better, longer jab, he didn't get to show how hard he lands that left hook against Forbes and Mayweather because their style specifically blocks that punch, however his left hooks that landed against Mayorga were harder then any punch I've seen Cotto ever land. I love Cotto, but this fight also would be all wrong for him because Oscar is a very similar fighter to him, but twice as big(not actually, but close).

The Margarito fight would be closer, simply because Oscar wears down late in fights, but if he fought a similar fight as he employed against Mayorga I think he could go 12 strong rounds, and I don't see Margarito being able to wear Oscar down in 12 rounds. Oscar is very fast, and can land that left hook to devastating effect. If you watch Margarito against both Cotto and Cintron not to take anything away from his chin, but by putting his opponents on their back foot he really stops them from throwing their hardest punches because nobody throws as hard going backwards. However Oscar has that wonderful jab would be able to create a little distance because I saw when Cotto came forward behind his jab that Margarito was letting him a little bit, and while Cotto just backs up after throwing a combination I think Oscar would keep this fighting the middle of the ring because he has the strength, durability, and skillset to do that. Margarito was a sparing partner of Oscar's which a fighter usually only keeps if a fighter is good enough to push them, but not good enough to beat the shit out of them(except Ali).

Anyways I could see Oscar being WW champion if he really wanted to persue with the intensity he persued Mayorga or Mayweather with.

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All that is predicated on if Oscar could make 147, which he can't. Maybe you're driving with gas if Oscar could lure either guy up to 154. As it stands, what DLH does is murderous to make weight at JMW.

ODLH is too big and powerful for either of them

LONG LIVE THE GOLDEN BOY

This is the first thread I see where not so much crap is thrown to ODLH :) .
Anyways, its interesting how when a figher looses as bad as Cotto people just don’t see them as great as before. If we go back a few weeks ago we can see threads about how Cotto was the biggest thing out there, the most feared, the greatest ever, etc. And after last weekend people finally start to admit he can loose against X, Y, and Z, and even mention his weaknesses which I sometimes felt it was forbidden to mention.

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I've always felt ODLH would beat Cotto because he is bigger,faster, and far more durable with a similar level of skills. Cotto might have had a chance with that deadly body arsenal, but besides that Oscar has the better, longer jab, he didn't get to show how hard he lands that left hook against Forbes and Mayweather because their style specifically blocks that punch, however his left hooks that landed against Mayorga were harder then any punch I've seen Cotto ever land. I love Cotto, but this fight also would be all wrong for him because Oscar is a very similar fighter to him, but twice as big(not actually, but close).

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Good point Taeth.

I say you're full of it!


We've seen Oscar get touched to the body and what does he say about it? "No me gusta!"


As for Tony, that dude would overwhelm Oscar at this point in time....it would be like Bowe-Holyfield III

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I say you're full of it!


We've seen Oscar get touched to the body and what does he say about it? "No me gusta!"


As for Tony, that dude would overwhelm Oscar at this point in time....it would be like Bowe-Holyfield III

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ODLH went down ONE TIME with a body punch and people seem to make a big deal out of it saying in every single fight that just one single punch to the body will have ODLH leaving in stretchers after the fight. Happened once, that was it. Can it happen again? Sure! But, come on.
Yeah, I can see Margarito overwhelming ODLH but then again, those styles have favored ODLH compared to guys that box more.

Cotto CAN box as well which as Hopkins showed was difficult for him to handle. I think Cotto is what people wanted Vargas to be like....he's a brawler that can box and loves to punish his opponents.


Margarito will wear Oscar down, he doesn't have the legs he used to...he wouldn't be able to stay on the bike and WIN.

I think he gets beat by both fighters in this stage of his career. He's not the same Oscar anymore and it showed in his last outing. I wouldn't mind seeing either fight at all though.

No way On Margarito right now,I don't see it.He is in his prime stride right now mentally & physically and Delahoya would be famished at 147,and just not what he once was.Too much Tony right here!

I would take Margarito. Especially at 147

Think people are crazy if they think Oscar fighting at the weight 147. He is going to invite Margrito up to the weight limit 154 and Tony while go for it because 10 million would almost make him do it. Then it turns into the Mayogra fight with Tony going down because at that weight Margrito wont be the terminator. Look if Santos can rock Tony then Oscar i think can knock him out if he lets him keep landing big shots just a thought because no one brought that up yet like it will not happen.

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I think he beats both at 154

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Can't say i disagree.

Not at 147 tho, he can't fight at that weight.

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I think he beats both at 154

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Can't say i disagree.

Not at 147 tho, he can't fight at that weight.

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Tony would force DLH to fight a war...there would be no boxing involved...After looking at the way the much much smaller and light hitting Forbes marked DLH up Margarito would swell him shut.....

The 2000 version of DLH I would have picked but at 147 today...Margarito makes him an example on why fighters should know when enough is enough

I see boxers give ODLH a bigger challenge than brawler straight-forward guys.

ok margarito beat cotto with his power but lets remmeber people oscar is a boxer pucher his speed and power are greater then cotto it would be a tougher night for margarito then oscar i see it almost a walk in the park for oscar people say oscars washed up because pbf beat him pbf beat him by one point and lets also take notice to the fact that everyone pbf beats they say is washed up oscar is older but he can fight with the best we saw him do it

oh and i forgot to mention margo is slow

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I've always felt ODLH would beat Cotto because he is bigger,faster, and far more durable with a similar level of skills. Cotto might have had a chance with that deadly body arsenal, but besides that Oscar has the better, longer jab, he didn't get to show how hard he lands that left hook against Forbes and Mayweather because their style specifically blocks that punch, however his left hooks that landed against Mayorga were harder then any punch I've seen Cotto ever land. I love Cotto, but this fight also would be all wrong for him because Oscar is a very similar fighter to him, but twice as big(not actually, but close).

The Margarito fight would be closer, simply because Oscar wears down late in fights, but if he fought a similar fight as he employed against Mayorga I think he could go 12 strong rounds, and I don't see Margarito being able to wear Oscar down in 12 rounds. Oscar is very fast, and can land that left hook to devastating effect. If you watch Margarito against both Cotto and Cintron not to take anything away from his chin, but by putting his opponents on their back foot he really stops them from throwing their hardest punches because nobody throws as hard going backwards. However Oscar has that wonderful jab would be able to create a little distance because I saw when Cotto came forward behind his jab that Margarito was letting him a little bit, and while Cotto just backs up after throwing a combination I think Oscar would keep this fighting the middle of the ring because he has the strength, durability, and skillset to do that. Margarito was a sparing partner of Oscar's which a fighter usually only keeps if a fighter is good enough to push them, but not good enough to beat the shit out of them(except Ali).

Anyways I could see Oscar being WW champion if he really wanted to persue with the intensity he persued Mayorga or Mayweather with.

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I agree. Oscar just can't fight opponents that are faster than him. That was always his weakness. He beat stronger fighters like Vargas, Mayorga, Quartey, etc. It's the faster guys that he has problems with like Shane, Floyd, and Manny.

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I've always felt ODLH would beat Cotto because he is bigger,faster, and far more durable with a similar level of skills. Cotto might have had a chance with that deadly body arsenal, but besides that Oscar has the better, longer jab, he didn't get to show how hard he lands that left hook against Forbes and Mayweather because their style specifically blocks that punch, however his left hooks that landed against Mayorga were harder then any punch I've seen Cotto ever land. I love Cotto, but this fight also would be all wrong for him because Oscar is a very similar fighter to him, but twice as big(not actually, but close).

The Margarito fight would be closer, simply because Oscar wears down late in fights, but if he fought a similar fight as he employed against Mayorga I think he could go 12 strong rounds, and I don't see Margarito being able to wear Oscar down in 12 rounds. Oscar is very fast, and can land that left hook to devastating effect. If you watch Margarito against both Cotto and Cintron not to take anything away from his chin, but by putting his opponents on their back foot he really stops them from throwing their hardest punches because nobody throws as hard going backwards. However Oscar has that wonderful jab would be able to create a little distance because I saw when Cotto came forward behind his jab that Margarito was letting him a little bit, and while Cotto just backs up after throwing a combination I think Oscar would keep this fighting the middle of the ring because he has the strength, durability, and skillset to do that. Margarito was a sparing partner of Oscar's which a fighter usually only keeps if a fighter is good enough to push them, but not good enough to beat the shit out of them(except Ali).

Anyways I could see Oscar being WW champion if he really wanted to persue with the intensity he persued Mayorga or Mayweather with.

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Oscar bragged that he wanted the winner of Cotto-Margarito as his final fight but when he saw Margarito kick Cottos ass so bad he took to the hills. He wanted no part of Margarito then now or ever

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I've always felt ODLH would beat Cotto because he is bigger,faster, and far more durable with a similar level of skills. Cotto might have had a chance with that deadly body arsenal, but besides that Oscar has the better, longer jab, he didn't get to show how hard he lands that left hook against Forbes and Mayweather because their style specifically blocks that punch, however his left hooks that landed against Mayorga were harder then any punch I've seen Cotto ever land. I love Cotto, but this fight also would be all wrong for him because Oscar is a very similar fighter to him, but twice as big(not actually, but close).

The Margarito fight would be closer, simply because Oscar wears down late in fights, but if he fought a similar fight as he employed against Mayorga I think he could go 12 strong rounds, and I don't see Margarito being able to wear Oscar down in 12 rounds. Oscar is very fast, and can land that left hook to devastating effect. If you watch Margarito against both Cotto and Cintron not to take anything away from his chin, but by putting his opponents on their back foot he really stops them from throwing their hardest punches because nobody throws as hard going backwards. However Oscar has that wonderful jab would be able to create a little distance because I saw when Cotto came forward behind his jab that Margarito was letting him a little bit, and while Cotto just backs up after throwing a combination I think Oscar would keep this fighting the middle of the ring because he has the strength, durability, and skillset to do that. Margarito was a sparing partner of Oscar's which a fighter usually only keeps if a fighter is good enough to push them, but not good enough to beat the shit out of them(except Ali).

Anyways I could see Oscar being WW champion if he really wanted to persue with the intensity he persued Mayorga or Mayweather with.

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Oscar bragged that he wanted the winner of Cotto-Margarito as his final fight but when he saw Margarito kick Cottos ass so bad he took to the hills. He wanted no part of Margarito then now or ever

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Though we can't prove it, we still can, I think, legitimately think that perhaps Margarito had loaded gloves against Cotto, especially considering that he didn't hit him "that" often and that did left tremendous marks on his face. Would a plaster-less glove Margarito have beaten up Oscar? NOt sure, it is a very tricky question. Also, I wonder how Margarito did recover mentally from it all and if he'll ever be the same after the beating he got from Sugar Shane.

I don't think so. The Oscar of now is completely done. Oscar has avoided Margarito for some time now, so we know he's scared, as scared as he was of Trinidad in that fight. As for Cotto, they would have to fight at 147 and we saw what Oscar looked like physically at that weight. I pick Cotto and Margarito to win, especially at 147.

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I don't think so. The Oscar of now is completely done. Oscar has avoided Margarito for some time now, so we know he's scared, as scared as he was of Trinidad in that fight. As for Cotto, they would have to fight at 147 and we saw what Oscar looked like physically at that weight. I pick Cotto and Margarito to win, especially at 147.

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yea that's funny, Oscar outboxed Trinidad and made him look a fool for 9 rounds straight, Trinidad and his dad ran from the idea of a rematch as if it were the swine flu, but yea Margarito and Cotto would beat the DLH of now, but DLH in his prime at 147 would have owned and completely schooled both of them

My opinion of Cotto has changed a bit since then, I am not sure anybody schools Cotto with Oscar's style, but I still think Oscar's better chin and power would carry the fight, but as a tactician Cotto is better than Trinidad, he handles movement better, IMO he has a bigger punch arsenal, and he goes to the body so well. Trinidad could have been gunning for a second ODLH fight, but Oscar did make him look completely foolish for 9 rounds, and I think even the current Oscar would do 10x better against Cotto than how he did against Pacquiao because its completely different having a guy there to be hit.

I think both Margarito and Cotto would beat ODLH.

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I don't think so. The Oscar of now is completely done. Oscar has avoided Margarito for some time now, so we know he's scared, as scared as he was of Trinidad in that fight. As for Cotto, they would have to fight at 147 and we saw what Oscar looked like physically at that weight. I pick Cotto and Margarito to win, especially at 147.

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yea that's funny, Oscar outboxed Trinidad and made him look a fool for 9 rounds straight, Trinidad and his dad ran from the idea of a rematch as if it were the swine flu, but yea Margarito and Cotto would beat the DLH of now, but DLH in his prime at 147 would have owned and completely schooled both of them

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Before Oscar fought Trinidad, who did Oscar "box"? No one that I can remember. Oscar was a KO specialist, except he changed his style for Tito. You've got to be stupid to think you've won a fight after 9 rounds, especially against a Don King fighter. And Oscar's "boxing" wasn't even that impressive. Pitty-patting all night and flurrying in the last ten seconds of each round. Big deal. I have seen better boxing displays, like when Hopkins outboxed and then took out Tito or when Leonard outboxed AND landed MANY power shots on Hagler. The only thing Oscar did well that night was avoid Tito's power shots. He did not finish the job.

And from what I remember, Trinidad wanted the rematch, but at 154, and Oscar started playing that catch-weight shit, wanting to fight Tito at 151. I also remember Tito wanted a bigger percentage of the money than he got for the first fight and you know Oscar ain't having that. So I don't know where you are getting your "facts" about Trinidad. Even in recent years, Oscar wanted Tito to come down to 154 and fight as opposed to meet him at a higher weight. Sounds pretty scared to me. Trinidad never ran from anybody, you should know that. Not even Hopkins. Tito took his beating from the bigger man like a man. The same can't be said about Oscar. The first sign of serious trouble, he either runs (Tito), fakes a hard/debilitating liver shot (Hopkins), or quits (Manny). But let me not digress too much.

I agree that the Oscar of THEN would defeat Cotto and Margarito, maybe KO Cotto, but not KO Margarito. I think that Oscar would start "boxing" after 8 or 9 rounds against Margarito, but still get the victory.

Oscar was a boxer puncher, especially once Mayweather Snr took over, Oscar outboxed Mosley in their second fight, he outboxed Tito in their fight, he was moving around not allowing Tito to get off and landing a few punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0AecIrk7U

I don't think Oscar was super effective like Hopkins was against Tito, but he was certainly more effective than Tito was and landed a lot more punches.

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Oscar was a boxer puncher, especially once Mayweather Snr took over, Oscar outboxed Mosley in their second fight, he outboxed Tito in their fight, he was moving around not allowing Tito to get off and landing a few punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0AecIrk7U

I don't think Oscar was super effective like Hopkins was against Tito, but he was certainly more effective than Tito was and landed a lot more punches.

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I can't disagree. Tito simply did not adapt once he realized that Oscar was not going to fight. There was no plan B. Still a close fight due to Oscar's stupidity at the end.

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Oscar was a boxer puncher, especially once Mayweather Snr took over, Oscar outboxed Mosley in their second fight, he outboxed Tito in their fight, he was moving around not allowing Tito to get off and landing a few punches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0AecIrk7U

I don't think Oscar was super effective like Hopkins was against Tito, but he was certainly more effective than Tito was and landed a lot more punches.

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I can't disagree. Tito simply did not adapt once he realized that Oscar was not going to fight. There was no plan B. Still a close fight due to Oscar's stupidity at the end.

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Oscar won at least 8 of the first 9 rounds. Even accounting for his last few rounds, that still should have been 116-112 at best. It was a huge robbery IMO