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Barry McGuigan reckons Hatton should fight Cotto because he'd beat him :LOLATYOU:
What does it take to be an expert? I'm pretty sure he called Edwin Valero a top ten p4p'er as well a few weeks ago.
Then take into account sky's dreadful p4p lists.
Seriosuly, i think Steve Bunce is the saviour.
Guys with this amount of knowledge shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the telly ;D
Bunce also is a brainless cunt. I think I should work on setanta ;D
Makes me laugh the ex-pros and journos given the moniker expert.
What qualifies someone as an expert on boxing? :-\
I respect the opinion of most of the pundits but it's blatantly obvious many (the majority) DO NOT follow boxing half as intensely as people on here do.
Fenster I remember seeing a news clip out here years and years ago on Abc which is linked to the bbc of someone in green shorts knocking someone cold in the first punch of the first round of a major fight.
Was that Barry Mcguigen that did that by any chance ?
Sorry, I don't recall that, Andre :-\ You know who Barry McGuigan is, right? :-\
A regular Brit commentator Nicky Piper famously KO'd someone in 10/20 seconds, of the first round, back in the early 90s with one punch (if i remember rightly)
Miguel Cotto Gets Defeated Once And So Called "EXPERTS" Dont Know How To Act lol
Thanks for the info bro
I made a post about this subject a long time ago. IMO there is no such thing as a boxing expert. There are too many flaws and emotions involved with the human brain and boxing is an inexact science.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Unless there is a huge disparity with the fighters involved, it usually comes down to a roll of the dice and still, upsets do happen.
Bunce predicted Lockett would beat Pavlik which had huge emotion involved. Atlas's predictions are way less than 50%, which is really bad because doing an "ini mini miney moe" would guarantee him a 50% result!LOL
I dont like Bunce. He has no class and makes the show look cheap .
Bunce just seems so thick to me. Not very articulate and the manner in which he carries himself just causes me to shake my head. They are all pretty lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I don't think Bunce thought Lockett was going to beat Pavlik, he just had to say it to make people interested in the fight. He's probably the best boxing writer in Britain but not so impressive on TV. He may get better in a year or so.
Yeah its like listening to a drunk in a pub talking about boxing , but Bunce is on tv so he should be presenting an experts analysis. He's just a fan who likes boxing but his opinion is no better than anyones else. Its not as if he were a boxer himself. What does he know?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBunce just seems so thick to me. Not very articulate and the manner in which he carries himself just causes me to shake my head. They are all pretty lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I prefer guys who have been there and done that who can present their insight in a professional way . Not a scummy loudmouth !
He used to be an amateur boxer. He still goes to most amateur events too. There's probably nobody in the country as knowledgeable about the British boxing scene as Bunce which you can tell when you read his stuff. He's different altogether on TV. More rubbish. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah its like listening to a drunk in a pub talking about boxing , but Bunce is on tv so he should be presenting an experts analysis. He's just a fan who likes boxing but his opinion is no better than anyones else. Its not as if he were a boxer himself. What does he know?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBunce just seems so thick to me. Not very articulate and the manner in which he carries himself just causes me to shake my head. They are all pretty lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I prefer guys who have been there and done that who can present their insight in a professional way . Not a scummy loudmouth !
Antony Small said something even worse, on Setanta he said that Margarito should fight Hatton. He really must like snuff movies or Antony has taken too many punches to the head. WTF!!!
Some of skys P4P list where shocking were'nt they?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Bunce had his own list but he is inconsistant with it . He ridiculed someone elses saying Shane shouldnt be higher than Cotto cuz Cotto recently beat him which is fair enough so then why on his own list does Tony rank above Williams. He isnt making sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlebifSome of skys P4P list where shocking were'nt they?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Whilst Bunce ain't too bad I wish Setanta would show more undercard fights and less Bunce
What fights did they show on the Zab v Clottey card, did you stay up at 3am, I did not.
I got up at 0245 and watched it, they showed the main fight, the KO from the Chavez fight and the Peterson fight although i missed the end of the Peterson fight as Setanta on freeview cut off at 5amQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
You're being too harsh on Bunce. He has a noisy style, yes, but surely you don't disagree with EVERYTHING he says?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah its like listening to a drunk in a pub talking about boxing , but Bunce is on tv so he should be presenting an experts analysis. He's just a fan who likes boxing but his opinion is no better than anyones else. Its not as if he were a boxer himself. What does he know?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesBunce just seems so thick to me. Not very articulate and the manner in which he carries himself just causes me to shake my head. They are all pretty lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I prefer guys who have been there and done that who can present their insight in a professional way . Not a scummy loudmouth !
You have to understand he is talking back to a presenter that knows nothing about boxing (constant banal questions) and an uninformed audience (the majority of viewers are not hardcore fans like us).
What pundits do you think are good?
I like Glen Mcrory . I think him and Ian Darke should have never been split up cuz they worked well together .Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou're being too harsh on Bunce. He has a noisy style, yes, but surely you don't disagree with EVERYTHING he says?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah its like listening to a drunk in a pub talking about boxing , but Bunce is on tv so he should be presenting an experts analysis. He's just a fan who likes boxing but his opinion is no better than anyones else. Its not as if he were a boxer himself. What does he know?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I prefer guys who have been there and done that who can present their insight in a professional way . Not a scummy loudmouth !
You have to understand he is talking back to a presenter that knows nothing about boxing (constant banal questions) and an uninformed audience (the majority of viewers are not hardcore fans like us).
What pundits do you think are good?
In terms of studio analysis I think Mguigan was good and to the point . Jim Watt was often accurate and they add a certain dignity to the boxing that Bunce takes away .
I used to like Glenn and Darke too. But sometimes Darke gets on my nerves when calling these days. Actually, I would go as far as saying he is a pretty poor fight reader - Oscar-Floyd, Hatton-Floyd (maybe it was falsely intentional in Hatton's case ;)).Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI like Glen Mcrory . I think him and Ian Darke should have never been split up cuz they worked well together .Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou're being too harsh on Bunce. He has a noisy style, yes, but surely you don't disagree with EVERYTHING he says?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
You have to understand he is talking back to a presenter that knows nothing about boxing (constant banal questions) and an uninformed audience (the majority of viewers are not hardcore fans like us).
What pundits do you think are good?
In terms of studio analysis I think Mguigan was good and to the point . Jim Watt was often accurate and they add a certain dignity to the boxing that Bunce takes away .
McGuigan is too scared to upset anyone in boxing (Warren's mob). That makes him crap.
I like Watt. But he has some absolute SHOCKERS in the commentary box.. especially with his scorecard, which is very inconsistent, and when calling American fights, whenever he gets wind of the HBO card, seems to start favouring the fighter they have winning :rolleyes:
Andre, That was my Kid youre talking about, Barry was the commotator, He had the other fellow in Front and there was only one Shot ;D. It was for the European Title.
Colin Hart is the best british boxing writer and expert (if there is such a thing), then Bunce is probably second.
Hugh Mc IIyvenny is the best Boxing Writer
Yeah Colin Heart is and always was the best boxing pundit.
Bunce is a loud twat, Watt is an anoying little scottish prick, when Tyson fought Saverese and knocked the ref down, Watt nearly pissed himself with anger and shouted "hes just a devil!!";D He also gives very biassed views on some boxers that make me laugh because he always seems to back the looser.
Even though im not a fan of Roy Jones and a uk resident (so I dont get to hear his commenterys very much) Jones does talk sense.
When he commentated on Trinidad v Mayorga, he didnt favouritise either and basicly just said what was going on, he also commented that basicly the only reason that Trinidad was coming on in the fight was because it didnt look as though Mayorga had trained, he gave the impression that if he had he would have had Trinidad because he was doing the better work to start before he tired very early. I would have thought with Trinidad being the big star that he would have ben obliged to say something more like "Trinidads skill is now starting to show"
He also comes out with good tactical points that id have missed that are interesting.
Lewis bugs me, hes too up his own ass still to give a good comentery, hed rather talk about how hed have done than whats going on.
For all Mike Tysons encyclopedic boxing knowledge he didnt male a very good comentator, he was too busy enjoying watching that to just observe, if I remember right he repeated something like "oh my god" over and over;D
I was thinking of Dunstan-GurovQuote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
But for some strange reason thought Andre was looking for an ex-fighter commentator that sparked someone in one, instead of McGuigan doing the call on the fight ;D
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Originally Posted by ono
Yea I read that as well.Stupid comments by McGuigan.
I think Hatton would struggle with any WW in the top ten.
Colin Hart, the best Boxing Pundit?
I feel quite ill.
Bunce ain't bad
Quite easily tooQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I don't want to critique your opinion or anything, but I just don't take Hart very seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuQuite easily tooQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I feel, like Bert Sugar in America, Hart is a story teller rather than a historian.
He spews myths rather than records.
I know a number of people that know him personally, this is nothing I wouldn't tell him myself.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI don't want to critique your opinion or anything, but I just don't take Hart very seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuQuite easily tooQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
I feel, like Bert Sugar in America, Hart is a story teller rather than a historian.
He spews myths rather than records.
I know a number of people that know him personally, this is nothing I wouldn't tell him myself.
I absolutely loathe watching Bert Sugar. He is an embarrasing caricature.
I really don't know who listens to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcompanyQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI don't want to critique your opinion or anything, but I just don't take Hart very seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I feel, like Bert Sugar in America, Hart is a story teller rather than a historian.
He spews myths rather than records.
I know a number of people that know him personally, this is nothing I wouldn't tell him myself.
I absolutely loathe watching Bert Sugar. He is an embarrasing caricature.
The guys I respect are guys like Angelo Dundee.
He talks his own amount of tall tales, but he's been there.
Remember seeing a clip where Naz crucifies Hart in public. He deserved it.
Bunce is an absoulte Cunce
nas ; You are one of the worst journalistQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Colin - Well its obviously got to you
Nas - dont talk, let me speak . aah cuz your talking about me. If I were to talk about you I dont think youd like it . And im saying this from the heart . . . . . .I dont like you . I dont like you colin . youre a fool !
;D great stuff . I hated Colin too . still do
I forgot about him. He rarely writes about boxing these days though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
You guys need to back off Bert, he's freaking 200 years old, give him a break. He's been around boxing before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye. He has some great write ups in his day, really good with words....Quote:
Originally Posted by cpcompanyQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI don't want to critique your opinion or anything, but I just don't take Hart very seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I feel, like Bert Sugar in America, Hart is a story teller rather than a historian.
He spews myths rather than records.
I know a number of people that know him personally, this is nothing I wouldn't tell him myself.
I absolutely loathe watching Bert Sugar. He is an embarrasing caricature.
Bert is 70+ and still has his shit together, check this interview. Pretty good analysis for an old timer.
Bert Sugar on Cotto vs. Margarito! FightFan.com: Boxing News, Interviews, Articles, Videos, Results
You have to scroll down to see it.
I have a lot of respect for Bert too.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest