When will it ever stop? Just give the man his due...

I am rolling here when I read some of the comments on threads concerning Antonio Margarito....I see things like "Margarito is too slow to beat Andre Berto" :o...and "Until Margarito beats Williams in a rematch I won't give him his due"......

I am seriously thinking about starting a 12 step for some of you guys......

Margarito has proven himself hands down...what is there to prove? let's review a second....

3 of Tony's 5 losses came early on in his career..so early they can not be discredited on his resume due to the fact we have a hell of a lot more guys out there current and past that have more losses then he does and they came later in their careers.....

His only stoppage was on cuts....A valid stoppage yes but when I hear people say Vitaly beat Lennox and Lennox was lucky due to the cut stoppage I have to question peoples opinions of valid stoppages and losses...The cards were pretty even at the time of the stoppage as well...

The loss to Paul Williams was more due to Margarito waiting too long to step it up then anything....Tony was taking care of business at the last part of the bout....I remember Bernard Hopkins making the same mistakes a few times especially in the Howard Eastman fight where he lost the first 5 rounds before stepping it up....It was a tactical mistake that he acknowaged the moment the fight was over and made no excuses...

He has knocked out 27 of his 37 opponents he has beaten...His last 20 opponents have had better then a 75% win ratio....11 of them better then 85%.....

He has walked through guys like Kermit Cintron (lets spare the Kermit and his mental status comments the Man was a highly touted prospect in the first outing and champion in the rematch....he also has KO's 27 of his 29 opponents he has beaten....

He practicall made Lujan a one eared man for the rest of his life..

Most recently he beat one of the sports top 5 pound for pound fighters and a man everyone was considering the best puncher in boxing Miguel Cotto...The same Cotto people were saying was boxings next greatest superstar....

And that is in no way a dig at Cotto but more a testamnet to Margarito.....

So lets spare the He is slow as a turtle comments...He is nothing more then a club fighter who has gotten lucky...No more he is not as good as people claim and all the other nonsense...

If any of that is true what does that say about the men he has beaten?...The same men many of you who are making these comments about Margarito praised before the bout with him took place.....

You don't have to like him...You don't have to praise his accomplishments...you don't even have to give him his due....

BUT....

Don't look for reasons to try and take away from what he has done...Don't look for reasons to make excuses on why he won't beat so and so especially when it comes to fighters who have yet to beat a top 10 ranked opponent.....


Let it ride as is...The man is the best 147 pound fighter in the world and he has proven that....

Paul Williams biggest accomplishment is a close win over Tony and I give him his credit but he has not accomplished even a 1/3rd of what Margarito has......

Here is a little VH1 I love the 90's flashback phrase for ya's...

Don't hate the player hate the game....and right now Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb player in the world.....

Tony has paid his dues and gets maximum props from me.

Did before Cotto.

I would prefer to see him avenge his loss to Williams, but it is not overly necessary to convince me that he is p4p top ten. Granite chin and high workrate means he will probably never be stopped. Williams style was ideal to defeat Margarito and it just about worked for him.

Full credit to Tony, a much better performance than I expected

He's undisputed... I'd love to see clotty tony again... With healthy hands Joshua is dangerous... Zab found out when he quit.

I pretty much have Clotty beating everyone in the div... He'd do well against Cotto as well....

Why is here not more talk about Clotty I wonder....

I give Tony all the credit. I also say the man has changed since his two sub-par performances against Clottey and Williams.I think the Tony that came into the ring against Cintron and Cotto will knock either of these guy's out in a rematch. It seems it was that goofy ass haircut that really sparked Tony.It's mullet-esk and is beautiful keep the hair and everything is going to be great.

I give him credit...loads credit

i thought he was shit

as a boxer he is

as a warrior he is one of the best

shame mayweather would eat him for breakfast

Wouldn't go that far there, killa

He still needs to prove he really is the best Welterweight by beating Paul Williams im sorry no matter what anyone thinks that was a legit UD loss........

And that loss will never go away unless he rematches Paul Williams now that Paul Williams has beaten Carlos Quintana in impressive fashion its the most intriguing Welterweight fight out there........

I only really count 1 loss on Antonio Margarito's record and thats too Paul Williams the loss to Daniel Santos was a gift decision for Daniel Santos and Antonio Margarito deserved the nod.........

And the others were when he was a teenager fighting men i think Antonio Margarito seriously got overlooked by fans because they see those multiple losses but didn't know the real facts regarding those losses.....

And also Antonio Margarito is still slow just because he beat Miguel Cotto doesn't change the fact he still has flaws like throwing his punches too wide plus he has mediocre handspeed and slow footwork.........

Im not saying he isn't effective at what he does because he is very effective but those flaws that i mentioned above are still there and they haven't changed just because Antonio Margarito defeated Miguel Cotto.....

But Antonio Margarito does have an incredible chin/heart/workrate and sometimes determination and alot of heart can overcome skill as we see against Miguel Cotto.

Lots of fighters experience this kind of treatment all time most especially those who beat a man with high credentials. Margarito and even Pacman are treated this way like they are fluke or one dimensional or beating old guys or he fought nobody and etc... you name it and you probably heard every reason they can come up.. Some boxing fans and even some boxing experts always tend to discredit if the fighter who win is not in their liking. They don't seem to give credit where credit is due. That's life you can't please everybody all the time. But besides all this, Margarito and all others who does not seem do anything right even if they do great still have the last laugh...

From a neutral point of view this is the cost of success just as Mayweather is constantly discredited and heckled despite having one of the best resumes in boxing.

Margarito will now suffer a similar scrutiny of everything he does 'consider it as your success taking a shot at you' and no one will be happy until he loses bar his fans.

It's funny really, just shows how jacked the WW division is. Margarito no doubt just beat the best active WW, but he does already have a legit loss to Williams, and for my money would be the underdog in a rematch. I'm also not sure who I'd pick if Margarito fought Clottey again or Mosley.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I am rolling here when I read some of the comments on threads concerning Antonio Margarito....I see things like "Margarito is too slow to beat Andre Berto" :o...and "Until Margarito beats Williams in a rematch I won't give him his due"......

I am seriously thinking about starting a 12 step for some of you guys......

Margarito has proven himself hands down...what is there to prove? let's review a second....

3 of Tony's 5 losses came early on in his career..so early they can not be discredited on his resume due to the fact we have a hell of a lot more guys out there current and past that have more losses then he does and they came later in their careers.....

His only stoppage was on cuts....A valid stoppage yes but when I hear people say Vitaly beat Lennox and Lennox was lucky due to the cut stoppage I have to question peoples opinions of valid stoppages and losses...The cards were pretty even at the time of the stoppage as well...

The loss to Paul Williams was more due to Margarito waiting too long to step it up then anything....Tony was taking care of business at the last part of the bout....I remember Bernard Hopkins making the same mistakes a few times especially in the Howard Eastman fight where he lost the first 5 rounds before stepping it up....It was a tactical mistake that he acknowaged the moment the fight was over and made no excuses...

He has knocked out 27 of his 37 opponents he has beaten...His last 20 opponents have had better then a 75% win ratio....11 of them better then 85%.....

He has walked through guys like Kermit Cintron (lets spare the Kermit and his mental status comments the Man was a highly touted prospect in the first outing and champion in the rematch....he also has KO's 27 of his 29 opponents he has beaten....

He practicall made Lujan a one eared man for the rest of his life..

Most recently he beat one of the sports top 5 pound for pound fighters and a man everyone was considering the best puncher in boxing Miguel Cotto...The same Cotto people were saying was boxings next greatest superstar....

And that is in no way a dig at Cotto but more a testamnet to Margarito.....

So lets spare the He is slow as a turtle comments...He is nothing more then a club fighter who has gotten lucky...No more he is not as good as people claim and all the other nonsense...

If any of that is true what does that say about the men he has beaten?...The same men many of you who are making these comments about Margarito praised before the bout with him took place.....

You don't have to like him...You don't have to praise his accomplishments...you don't even have to give him his due....

BUT....

Don't look for reasons to try and take away from what he has done...Don't look for reasons to make excuses on why he won't beat so and so especially when it comes to fighters who have yet to beat a top 10 ranked opponent.....


Let it ride as is...The man is the best 147 pound fighter in the world and he has proven that....

Paul Williams biggest accomplishment is a close win over Tony and I give him his credit but he has not accomplished even a 1/3rd of what Margarito has......

Here is a little VH1 I love the 90's flashback phrase for ya's...

Don't hate the player hate the game....and right now Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb player in the world.....

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I don't like Margarito, but I agree with you except for the part about Williams. Margarito stepped it up in the second half of their fight, but Paul was anything but done. He stepped it up in the 12th and out-hustled the hustler. Williams took Margarito's title by winning the last round.

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

margarito is a good fighter, no more imo.

he is a bad boxer and takes about 3-4 rounds to start cracking up the pace.
to his credit he has one ofthe best ever chins and punches fairly hard and his workrate is right up there.
but someone like mayweather would beat him easily it would be like baldomir all over again.

clotty and williams imo both take him because they generally have tight defences and good chins to.

you wont knock margarito out, but he isnt an elit fighter i dont think.

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You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

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Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

I completely agree with Daxx. People hate on Tony because he's not slick, he's not fancy, he's not fast, etc. He might not be pretty in the ring but he wins fights, isn't that what it's all about? Tony is old school. He's a throwback to the days when it was prizefighting, not boxing. You actually had to be tough and fight for a victory. Nowadays, too many fighters are primadonnas who just use their natural athletic ability to dance their way to victory. I'm not hating on guys who are naturally more talented, but I think it's a sign of extreme arrogance and elitism to hate on anyone who doesn't have the natural gifts of a Mayweather or Roy Jones. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses, and they use what works for them. You don't have to like Tony, but the constant put downs are nothing but childishness.

It's funny that so many people say that if it wasn't for Tony's chin he wouldn't be where he is today. Well, I could say if it wasn't for Floyd's talent, he wouldn't be where he is today. That might sound silly, but think about it. Floyd is an incredibly gifted athlete by nature, it's something he didn't choose or earn. I'm not saying he doesn't work hard also, but if he didn't have the natural ability, he wouldn't be so great. All fighters work hard, but Floyd has the advantage of being blessed with an extraordinary natural ability. Does that mean we should hold that against him?

PS- Let's be honest, the real reason people hate on Tony is because they can't stand the fact that a clumsy guy with a mullet will beat their smooth, Gucci wearing, favorite fighter's ass. ;D

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I am rolling here when I read some of the comments on threads concerning Antonio Margarito....I see things like "Margarito is too slow to beat Andre Berto" :o...and "Until Margarito beats Williams in a rematch I won't give him his due"......

I am seriously thinking about starting a 12 step for some of you guys......

Margarito has proven himself hands down...what is there to prove? let's review a second....

3 of Tony's 5 losses came early on in his career..so early they can not be discredited on his resume due to the fact we have a hell of a lot more guys out there current and past that have more losses then he does and they came later in their careers.....

His only stoppage was on cuts....A valid stoppage yes but when I hear people say Vitaly beat Lennox and Lennox was lucky due to the cut stoppage I have to question peoples opinions of valid stoppages and losses...The cards were pretty even at the time of the stoppage as well...

The loss to Paul Williams was more due to Margarito waiting too long to step it up then anything....Tony was taking care of business at the last part of the bout....I remember Bernard Hopkins making the same mistakes a few times especially in the Howard Eastman fight where he lost the first 5 rounds before stepping it up....It was a tactical mistake that he acknowaged the moment the fight was over and made no excuses...

He has knocked out 27 of his 37 opponents he has beaten...His last 20 opponents have had better then a 75% win ratio....11 of them better then 85%.....

He has walked through guys like Kermit Cintron (lets spare the Kermit and his mental status comments the Man was a highly touted prospect in the first outing and champion in the rematch....he also has KO's 27 of his 29 opponents he has beaten....

He practicall made Lujan a one eared man for the rest of his life..

Most recently he beat one of the sports top 5 pound for pound fighters and a man everyone was considering the best puncher in boxing Miguel Cotto...The same Cotto people were saying was boxings next greatest superstar....

And that is in no way a dig at Cotto but more a testamnet to Margarito.....

So lets spare the He is slow as a turtle comments...He is nothing more then a club fighter who has gotten lucky...No more he is not as good as people claim and all the other nonsense...

If any of that is true what does that say about the men he has beaten?...The same men many of you who are making these comments about Margarito praised before the bout with him took place.....

You don't have to like him...You don't have to praise his accomplishments...you don't even have to give him his due....

BUT....

Don't look for reasons to try and take away from what he has done...Don't look for reasons to make excuses on why he won't beat so and so especially when it comes to fighters who have yet to beat a top 10 ranked opponent.....


Let it ride as is...The man is the best 147 pound fighter in the world and he has proven that....

Paul Williams biggest accomplishment is a close win over Tony and I give him his credit but he has not accomplished even a 1/3rd of what Margarito has......

Here is a little VH1 I love the 90's flashback phrase for ya's...

Don't hate the player hate the game....and right now Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb player in the world.....

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Great man say it as it is totly agree i am moving over the posts that are saying all of the above well said man:appl: Give Tony his props

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You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

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Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

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Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

There are also ppl on here who give him more dues than he deserves. Some ppl seem to think that cos he beat Cotto that he is some kind of machine that cannot be beaten, when Paul Williams proved no that long ago that it can be done. I think he is the number one welter at the moment, what more dues does he deserve?

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You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

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Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

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Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

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I know boxrec isn't best source but there normally spot on for past fights take a look.

• Margarito suffered from a severe sprained ankle only a week before the bout, and also had problems with his left shoulder as reported days before the fight.
• Clottey suffered an injured left hand in round four, probably while landing a left uppercut. He immediately went into retreat and told his corner at the break.
• Showtime reported this live, explaining why Clottey proceded to lose rounds five through eleven on all three official scorecards.
• Clottey later admitted his hand was not broken as initially reported.
• Margarito threw 1675 punches

Retrieved from "http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Antonio_Margarito_vs._Joshua_Clottey"

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I am rolling here when I read some of the comments on threads concerning Antonio Margarito....I see things like "Margarito is too slow to beat Andre Berto" :o...and "Until Margarito beats Williams in a rematch I won't give him his due"......

I am seriously thinking about starting a 12 step for some of you guys......

Margarito has proven himself hands down...what is there to prove? let's review a second....

3 of Tony's 5 losses came early on in his career..so early they can not be discredited on his resume due to the fact we have a hell of a lot more guys out there current and past that have more losses then he does and they came later in their careers.....

His only stoppage was on cuts....A valid stoppage yes but when I hear people say Vitaly beat Lennox and Lennox was lucky due to the cut stoppage I have to question peoples opinions of valid stoppages and losses...The cards were pretty even at the time of the stoppage as well...

The loss to Paul Williams was more due to Margarito waiting too long to step it up then anything....Tony was taking care of business at the last part of the bout....I remember Bernard Hopkins making the same mistakes a few times especially in the Howard Eastman fight where he lost the first 5 rounds before stepping it up....It was a tactical mistake that he acknowaged the moment the fight was over and made no excuses...

He has knocked out 27 of his 37 opponents he has beaten...His last 20 opponents have had better then a 75% win ratio....11 of them better then 85%.....

He has walked through guys like Kermit Cintron (lets spare the Kermit and his mental status comments the Man was a highly touted prospect in the first outing and champion in the rematch....he also has KO's 27 of his 29 opponents he has beaten....

He practicall made Lujan a one eared man for the rest of his life..

Most recently he beat one of the sports top 5 pound for pound fighters and a man everyone was considering the best puncher in boxing Miguel Cotto...The same Cotto people were saying was boxings next greatest superstar....

And that is in no way a dig at Cotto but more a testamnet to Margarito.....

So lets spare the He is slow as a turtle comments...He is nothing more then a club fighter who has gotten lucky...No more he is not as good as people claim and all the other nonsense...

If any of that is true what does that say about the men he has beaten?...The same men many of you who are making these comments about Margarito praised before the bout with him took place.....

You don't have to like him...You don't have to praise his accomplishments...you don't even have to give him his due....

BUT....

Don't look for reasons to try and take away from what he has done...Don't look for reasons to make excuses on why he won't beat so and so especially when it comes to fighters who have yet to beat a top 10 ranked opponent.....


Let it ride as is...The man is the best 147 pound fighter in the world and he has proven that....

Paul Williams biggest accomplishment is a close win over Tony and I give him his credit but he has not accomplished even a 1/3rd of what Margarito has......

Here is a little VH1 I love the 90's flashback phrase for ya's...

Don't hate the player hate the game....and right now Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb player in the world.....

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Very well said Daxx.....Frankly Im a bit post fight talked out on this one and just dismiss the excuse makers and Nay sayers right now.Ive seen too much easy disregard of both guys at times after the fight when frankly,I don't care who You like but..........These warriors deserve boo-koo respect for laying it on the line,conducting themselves as true professionals before and after on the media front and giving what they had in mutual fashion.Any Fight fan worth there salt would understand what a great fight they witnessed and put they're bias in the backseat already.Maragrito has been dismissed for more years than I can remember and took that victory when very few gave him a chance.He is solid,capable and should not be slept on!!Period.

This is the first fight i saw of clottey and he looked damn dangerous. Judah couldn't keep up the pace and was wearing down quite quickly before the stoppage.

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He still needs to prove he really is the best Welterweight by beating Paul Williams im sorry no matter what anyone thinks that was a legit UD loss........

And that loss will never go away unless he rematches Paul Williams now that Paul Williams has beaten Carlos Quintana in impressive fashion its the most intriguing Welterweight fight out there........

I only really count 1 loss on Antonio Margarito's record and thats too Paul Williams the loss to Daniel Santos was a gift decision for Daniel Santos and Antonio Margarito deserved the nod.........

And the others were when he was a teenager fighting men i think Antonio Margarito seriously got overlooked by fans because they see those multiple losses but didn't know the real facts regarding those losses.....

And also Antonio Margarito is still slow just because he beat Miguel Cotto doesn't change the fact he still has flaws like throwing his punches too wide plus he has mediocre handspeed and slow footwork.........

Im not saying he isn't effective at what he does because he is very effective but those flaws that i mentioned above are still there and they haven't changed just because Antonio Margarito defeated Miguel Cotto.....

But Antonio Margarito does have an incredible chin/heart/workrate and sometimes determination and alot of heart can overcome skill as we see against Miguel Cotto.

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I give Margarito all the credit in the world for beating Cotto like that. But the above poster is right, Margarito needs to avenge his loss to Williams if he is to be regarded as the best WW. I think Williams stock has fallen since his loss to Quintana which the rematch hasnt quite erased. But its between Williams and Margarito as to who is the best. And so far Williams is the one with the W over Margarito.

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Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

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Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

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I know boxrec isn't best source but there normally spot on for past fights take a look.

• Margarito suffered from a severe sprained ankle only a week before the bout, and also had problems with his left shoulder as reported days before the fight.
• Clottey suffered an injured left hand in round four, probably while landing a left uppercut. He immediately went into retreat and told his corner at the break.
• Showtime reported this live, explaining why Clottey proceded to lose rounds five through eleven on all three official scorecards.
• Clottey later admitted his hand was not broken as initially reported.
• Margarito threw 1675 punches

Retrieved from "http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Antonio_Margarito_vs._Joshua_Clottey"

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I never said Clottey hand was broken. However, I am calling bullshit on anyone that says they can fight on a severly sprained ankle, or it isn't severly sprained. I just watched the fight, and severly sprained ankle is really swollen that it wouldn't fight into a boxing shoe. He was wearing splint, but that looked like mild sprain at worst. Why do you think pro athletes sit out important games because of their bad sprains? You can't put weight on that leg, and Margarito was getting leverage off that back leg plenty.

Also broken or not why did Clottey start throwing less punches, and not even close to as hard of punches after that round? Mayweather also hurt his hand against Baldomir yet it wasn't broken, but he wasn't throwing punches as hard.

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Also broken or not why did Clottey start throwing less punches, and not even close to as hard of punches after that round? Mayweather also hurt his hand against Baldomir yet it wasn't broken, but he wasn't throwing punches as hard.

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Kind of an odd query? 'Why did he start doing Less'....170 punches raining down on him from Tony in round 5.......Ya think?;D I'd love a rematch.

An opponent only throws that many punches if your not throwing, its as simple as that.

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An opponent only throws that many punches if your not throwing, its as simple as that.

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Tony has had mutiple 100+ punch rounds throughout....I love how Berstein diagnoses and pre determind Clotteys hand issues right after 4th :bucktooth:.Clottey came with many 1 & 2 combos after that with power so I think cracked nail was nursed ;D Tonys body work came on big time as is norm!

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Originally Posted by Taeth

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

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Exactly I can give him credit for beating Cotto but i cannot say he can beat Williams cause he lost and Clottey was injured.

I just watched a few round i could find on youtube. For hurt hands, i had clottey winning the 12th round. He was landing hard clean punches.

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

I just watched a few round i could find on youtube. For hurt hands, i had clottey winning the 12th round. He was landing hard clean punches.

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Your name has to be a joke...:rolleyes:;D

Props to Margarito for having a will/chin of titanium alloy.
I just can't figure out how guys like him and Paul Williams can make weight:-\

Tony's gotten his fair share of the positive spotlight, almost all boxing fans respect what he is and does and right now i say yes he is the best in the division. But the bandwagon door swings both ways i still remember a little while back after he fought williams margarito town was pretty abandoned, like always there were a few exceptions a few loyal fans but for the most part that was it. So i hugely agree with this post but for the most part it's just a recent shift of fly by night fans whio now all of sudden are dusting off thier margarito fan caps for a couple of weeks of "i told you so". By some strange stroke of bad luck, if williiams for example were to beat tony again, watch how fast all this margarito love disappears. But yea huge props to tony and props to his fans, but boo on all of those who will root for any fighter in hopes he can beat floyd reguardless of who it is. And only reckonizing a fighter for his last fight. Stand by your man in good and bad times is all i'm sayin. (Rant not intended for anyone on here especially since i haven't been on much lately, more of what i've seen and heard in general )

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

Props to Margarito for having a will/chin of titanium alloy.
I just can't figure out how guys like him and Paul Williams can make weight:-\

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I agree with you there it always amazes me how they can make the weight and still be healthy....Look at Thomas Hearns and the power he possesed at 147 truly amazing

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer

I just watched a few round i could find on youtube. For hurt hands, i had clottey winning the 12th round. He was landing hard clean punches.

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Your name has to be a joke...:rolleyes:;D

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It came to me in a dream. lol.

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Originally Posted by oakleyno1

margarito is a good fighter, no more imo.

he is a bad boxer and takes about 3-4 rounds to start cracking up the pace.
to his credit he has one ofthe best ever chins and punches fairly hard and his workrate is right up there.
but someone like mayweather would beat him easily it would be like baldomir all over again.

clotty and williams imo both take him because they generally have tight defences and good chins to.

you wont knock margarito out, but he isnt an elit fighter i dont think.

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He can't box for shiet but his chin, his work rate, his stamina, his power and his size are enough for him. Tony is a small Middle Weight at best who can make 147. Just imagine if he was fast and could box ;D Man did Floyd retire just in time or what? Floyd knew what he was doing when he said he was retiring after Baldomir. Floyd might fool the people by saying who is Tony Margarito but the TRUTH is.. Floyd and his camp knew EXACTLY who the phuk Tony Margarito was and is. ;D

But hey! Shaq can't shoot a free throw to save his own life lol That's real, you work with what God gives you. ;)

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I am rolling here when I read some of the comments on threads concerning Antonio Margarito....I see things like "Margarito is too slow to beat Andre Berto" :o...and "Until Margarito beats Williams in a rematch I won't give him his due"......

I am seriously thinking about starting a 12 step for some of you guys......

Margarito has proven himself hands down...what is there to prove? let's review a second....

3 of Tony's 5 losses came early on in his career..so early they can not be discredited on his resume due to the fact we have a hell of a lot more guys out there current and past that have more losses then he does and they came later in their careers.....

His only stoppage was on cuts....A valid stoppage yes but when I hear people say Vitaly beat Lennox and Lennox was lucky due to the cut stoppage I have to question peoples opinions of valid stoppages and losses...The cards were pretty even at the time of the stoppage as well...

The loss to Paul Williams was more due to Margarito waiting too long to step it up then anything....Tony was taking care of business at the last part of the bout....I remember Bernard Hopkins making the same mistakes a few times especially in the Howard Eastman fight where he lost the first 5 rounds before stepping it up....It was a tactical mistake that he acknowaged the moment the fight was over and made no excuses...

He has knocked out 27 of his 37 opponents he has beaten...His last 20 opponents have had better then a 75% win ratio....11 of them better then 85%.....

He has walked through guys like Kermit Cintron (lets spare the Kermit and his mental status comments the Man was a highly touted prospect in the first outing and champion in the rematch....he also has KO's 27 of his 29 opponents he has beaten....

He practicall made Lujan a one eared man for the rest of his life..

Most recently he beat one of the sports top 5 pound for pound fighters and a man everyone was considering the best puncher in boxing Miguel Cotto...The same Cotto people were saying was boxings next greatest superstar....

And that is in no way a dig at Cotto but more a testamnet to Margarito.....

So lets spare the He is slow as a turtle comments...He is nothing more then a club fighter who has gotten lucky...No more he is not as good as people claim and all the other nonsense...

If any of that is true what does that say about the men he has beaten?...The same men many of you who are making these comments about Margarito praised before the bout with him took place.....

You don't have to like him...You don't have to praise his accomplishments...you don't even have to give him his due....

BUT....

Don't look for reasons to try and take away from what he has done...Don't look for reasons to make excuses on why he won't beat so and so especially when it comes to fighters who have yet to beat a top 10 ranked opponent.....


Let it ride as is...The man is the best 147 pound fighter in the world and he has proven that....

Paul Williams biggest accomplishment is a close win over Tony and I give him his credit but he has not accomplished even a 1/3rd of what Margarito has......

Here is a little VH1 I love the 90's flashback phrase for ya's...

Don't hate the player hate the game....and right now Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb player in the world.....

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Hey Daxx... I haven't even read the responses to your post, but here's my thoughts:

As a Cotto fan, I was rooting my head off for the man, and was devastated when he lost to Margarito. But as a boxing fan, I knew there was a chance that could happen, 'cause I had seen enough of Margarito to know. I've always given Margarito his props.

And in boxing's strange and mystifying ways, this puts a feather in Cotto's own cap, too. Cotto didn't lose to no chump. Like you said, 3 of Margarito's 5 losses came VERY early in his career. A boy fighting men with much more experience. A lamb thrown to the wolves. The other two? I was personally there when Margarito lost to Santos. Tony had the momentum and was coming on strong. Had the fight not been stopped, who knows what the outcome would've been. As for Williams, agreed 100%. Tony started out in 1st gear, and didn't really get it going till later in the fight, when Williams had built up a good lead.

So yeah... I agree whole-heartedly with your assessment and defense of Margarito. While at the same time saying that I've never been prouder of a losing fighter's effort as I was of Cotto that night.

[quote=TitoFan;575627] As for Williams, agreed 100%. Tony started out in 1st gear, and didn't really get it going till later in the fight, when Williams had built up a good lead.

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so thats williams fauly for outclassing margarito in the first rounds

thats what boxing is about not letting your opponent get an advantage

marego didnt get going cuz williams wouldnt let him

[quote=Shroomy;576126][quote=TitoFan;575627] As for Williams, agreed 100%. Tony started out in 1st gear, and didn't really get it going till later in the fight, when Williams had built up a good lead.

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so thats williams fauly for outclassing margarito in the first rounds

thats what boxing is about not letting your opponent get an advantage

marego didnt get going cuz williams wouldnt let him

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If what you say is true, it would mean Williams would probably beat Margarito again in a rematch. But the sad truth is.... Williams needs to stay as far away from Margarito as possible.