Fat bastards

I rant about the heavy division all the time because i love boxing. In no other sport do you get the drama intensity and action than this great sport. But i feel robbed, robbed of a great era of heavyweights. Why dont we have an Ali, or a tyson, SOMBEBODY! Do we know why. because most heavyweights today are lazy fat bastards, we dont need to make a weight so feck training, the lighter you are the sharper you are look at marciano what did he weigh i dont know but he was solid. He wouldnt stop. But the mentality today is we dont need to make weight and i dont want to be lighter than my opponent. They seem to think the heavier the better. Someone put a limit on the division and make a fat bastard division this would sort the fat lazy guys out. And as far as a great heavy we can just hope.

LOL. :thumb:

So true, there is a guy who is a heavyweight and is currently 37-0 but not yet fought anyone with a heart beat, if you watch him train you would never believe he is a professional boxer nevermind 37-0. The right word hit the mark LAZY. And the trainers don't help

Yep, heavyweights interpretation of strict dieting is eating macdonalds 3 times a day rather than their usual 5 times.

Just look at Sultan Ibragimov, he looks like a construction worker

http://www.canadastarboxing.com/imag...agimov_300.jpg

lol


(no disrespect to Construction workers ofcourse! :D)

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything :beat:

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Originally Posted by irish warrior

but don cockell was considered huge but he is mini compared to today.

joe mesi, vitali klitschko, wladamir klitschko, they are the only fit heavies i can think of.

estrada is fat, arreola fat, witherspoon tubby, tua fat, wheeler fat, tony thompson fat, skeleton fat, chagaev chubby, valuev fat hairy and ape like.

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they all speak very highly of you .:LOLATYOU:

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Originally Posted by feeney

I rant about the heavy division all the time because i love boxing. In no other sport do you get the drama intensity and action than this great sport. But i feel robbed, robbed of a great era of heavyweights. Why dont we have an Ali, or a tyson, SOMBEBODY! Do we know why. because most heavyweights today are lazy fat bastards, we dont need to make a weight so feck training, the lighter you are the sharper you are look at marciano what did he weigh i dont know but he was solid. He wouldnt stop. But the mentality today is we dont need to make weight and i dont want to be lighter than my opponent. They seem to think the heavier the better. Someone put a limit on the division and make a fat bastard division this would sort the fat lazy guys out. And as far as a great heavy we can just hope.

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For me, the only division that counts is the Heavyweight Division. The rest just look like little kids going at it to me.

We've got the greatest HW of the modern era reigning right now -Wladimir Klitchsko and he doesn't carry an ounce of fat on him.

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Originally Posted by feeney

I rant about the heavy division all the time because i love boxing. In no other sport do you get the drama intensity and action than this great sport. But i feel robbed, robbed of a great era of heavyweights. Why dont we have an Ali, or a tyson, SOMBEBODY! Do we know why. because most heavyweights today are lazy fat bastards, we dont need to make a weight so feck training, the lighter you are the sharper you are look at marciano what did he weigh i dont know but he was solid. He wouldnt stop. But the mentality today is we dont need to make weight and i dont want to be lighter than my opponent. They seem to think the heavier the better. Someone put a limit on the division and make a fat bastard division this would sort the fat lazy guys out. And as far as a great heavy we can just hope.

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For me, the only division that counts is the Heavyweight Division. The rest just look like little kids going at it to me.

We've got the greatest HW of the modern era reigning right now -Wladimir Klitchsko and he doesn't carry an ounce of fat on him.

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So basically your sole interest in the sport is Wladimir Klitschko? Thats sweet.

Unless of course that was some clever sarcasm in suggesting that little kids would operate on a far higher skill level and produce much more thrilling combat than our reigning HW champ:confused:

Muscle bound HWs haven't always been really successful (BRUNO) but I know where your coming from. Wlad is about the best of the active heavys body wise and skill wise. He's not over muscled but defintley always in very good shape. David Haye will be similar bodied to Wlad but I expect him to weigh in at aroud 220-225 because he isn't naturally as big. As for the rest of them they don't look like they are training hard enough or eating the right foods going into fights (apart from Holyfield if we still count him) and they are ruining the most glamorous division of them all.

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For me, the only division that counts is the Heavyweight Division. The rest just look like little kids going at it to me.

We've got the greatest HW of the modern era reigning right now -Wladimir Klitchsko and he doesn't carry an ounce of fat on him.

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You might want to start watching sumo wrestling or the WWF. Seems that kind of action would be right up your alley.

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Originally Posted by feeney

I rant about the heavy division all the time because i love boxing. In no other sport do you get the drama intensity and action than this great sport. But i feel robbed, robbed of a great era of heavyweights. Why dont we have an Ali, or a tyson, SOMBEBODY! Do we know why. because most heavyweights today are lazy fat bastards, we dont need to make a weight so feck training, the lighter you are the sharper you are look at marciano what did he weigh i dont know but he was solid. He wouldnt stop. But the mentality today is we dont need to make weight and i dont want to be lighter than my opponent. They seem to think the heavier the better. Someone put a limit on the division and make a fat bastard division this would sort the fat lazy guys out. And as far as a great heavy we can just hope.

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For me, the only division that counts is the Heavyweight Division. The rest just look like little kids going at it to me.

We've got the greatest HW of the modern era reigning right now -Wladimir Klitchsko and he doesn't carry an ounce of fat on him.

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So basically your sole interest in the sport is Wladimir Klitschko? Thats sweet.

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More like :gay-as-steelie:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything :beat:

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Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything :beat:

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Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

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Given his last couple fights, I'd say it really is. I mean how can you praise his efforts and skill when he is doing just enough against guys who are mediocre? Much as I agree with the first part of your post, you can't really accept that the division is garbage and full of fat lazy slobs, and at the same time be impressed that Klitschko is able to outjab them with his massive size advantage and take a boring UD without showing a shred of ring craft. I won't say I can see why Lyle is trying to build up the division as frankly I just don't understand how anyone is to entertained watching Klitschko in the first place. But I definetly see the logic in trying.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything :beat:

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Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

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Given his last couple fights, I'd say it really is. I mean how can you praise his efforts and skill when he is doing just enough against guys who are mediocre? Much as I agree with the first part of your post, you can't really accept that the division is garbage and full of fat lazy slobs, and at the same time be impressed that Klitschko is able to outjab them with his massive size advantage and take a boring UD without showing a shred of ring craft. I won't say I can see why Lyle is trying to build up the division as frankly I just don't understand how anyone is to entertained watching Klitschko in the first place. But I definetly see the logic in trying.

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Well, I'm giving Klitschko the benefit of the doubt in this case, I guess. The truth is... he could've looked sharper in some of his last few fights. He seems to have played it safe. One glaring example was the Sultan fight. I don't care what anybody says. That fight was a hideous exhibition of boxing. That endless pawing by Klitschko was definitely getting on my nerves. So while I defend Klitschko on the basis of his improvement since his glass jaw days, at the same time I feel he could be showing more than he has been.

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Originally Posted by Slowmotion426

For me, the only division that counts is the Heavyweight Division. The rest just look like little kids going at it to me.

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Personally I enjoy middleweights fight as well. A bit more speed. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything :beat:

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Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

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Given his last couple fights, I'd say it really is. I mean how can you praise his efforts and skill when he is doing just enough against guys who are mediocre? Much as I agree with the first part of your post, you can't really accept that the division is garbage and full of fat lazy slobs, and at the same time be impressed that Klitschko is able to outjab them with his massive size advantage and take a boring UD without showing a shred of ring craft. I won't say I can see why Lyle is trying to build up the division as frankly I just don't understand how anyone is to entertained watching Klitschko in the first place. But I definetly see the logic in trying.

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I also stick up for wlad. But the thing is, I believe Klitschko needs a true test to make him entertaining again. I am hoping that Haye is that test and IF he is then that should bring a bit of life back to the division again and we won't have to stick up for the rest of the jokes in the division!

;DI remember just recently watching a Heavy doing his Roadwork, and a woman pushing a pram passed Him ;D

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;DI remember just recently watching a Heavy doing his Roadwork, and a woman pushing a pram passed Him ;D

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Who was it? James Toney or Valuev? lol

There was a British titlefight the other month.

Williams v McDermott, both ripped and muscular, about 98% body fat each

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There was a British titlefight the other month.

Williams v McDermott, both ripped and muscular, about 98% body fat each

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Ha ha yeah I watched it. They really looked like true athletes!

go on about wlad all you want he pish and if you put him a good heavyweight era he wouldnt even be heard of. im not saying boxers need to look like mike tyson. its not really about looks if they were fat and moved well and boxed well ok. toney was not that bad when he first came up to heavy and he looks like a budah. boxers are athletes and in this modern day obesity filled, world the heavyweights to look at damage the reputation of dare i say it boxing. obviously you are going to get fat heavys but almost all of them. i was watching ali foreman the other day they looked like true athletes and ali was in his thirtys at the tale end of his career. bring back the great heavys but for starters bring back the in shape heavys.

do heavyweights have thicker skulls than smaller fighters?

in other words, what does it mean when a heavyweight can absorb a punch from a heavyweight, but a smaller fighter can't? if their skulls and heads are about the same size?

i would say they had larger bone structure, and bigger frames not all heavyweigts could take a shot from a heavy bruno, audrey, etc but i dont know what makes a good chin some fighters look like tyson and get blown away easy, others built like wipets hardons and a train could not knock them over. ?

Boxing is like baseball....a guy can look normal or even out of shape at times and still be one of the greatest ever.


Look at Babe Ruth, fat, sloppy, and drunk and he still managed to hit a ton of homeruns.

Look at anyone in baseball who is jacked up with muscles and they still could be bested by The Babe or any of the other old out of shape players for example Nolan Ryan or Satchel Paige.


As for boxers...Carmen Basillio tiny guy, small, ugly, unimposing and not the least bit intimidating and yet he was able to beat Ray Robinson. Look at the big musclebound fighters like Bruce Seldon, Michael Dokes, Primo Carnera....they didn't accomplish much when compared to just your average looking guy.

I'm not trying to boost the heavyweight division all I say is "it's competitive" when it really shouldn't be but hey what are you going to do. All I am saying is LOOKING in shape is different than fighting like you're in shape. Anyone can LOOK in shape but not everyone can FIGHT like they are in shape....like Antonio Margarito and the reason there aren't heavyweights like him is more than likely due to the shitty amateur system which rewards SLAPPING and not PUNCHING and so the power punchers learn to LAND but never to ACCEPT or DEFEND punches.

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Originally Posted by feeney

go on about wlad all you want he pish and if you put him a good heavyweight era he wouldnt even be heard of. im not saying boxers need to look like mike tyson. its not really about looks if they were fat and moved well and boxed well ok. toney was not that bad when he first came up to heavy and he looks like a budah. boxers are athletes and in this modern day obesity filled, world the heavyweights to look at damage the reputation of dare i say it boxing. obviously you are going to get fat heavys but almost all of them. i was watching ali foreman the other day they looked like true athletes and ali was in his thirtys at the tale end of his career. bring back the great heavys but for starters bring back the in shape heavys.

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Foreman was a monster, yet he was not obese. :cool:

Hey! I resemble the title of this thread! :mad:

What it comes down to for me is this; If I believe my wife could whip the two guys going at in the ring then I don't watch those classes. So far, i'm sure the only ones she can't whip are the heavyweights.

Being a former heavyweight fighter myself, sure, i've got a biased view of the other classes. But they are not without their uses. I remember many many times warming up with some middlewieght fighters back in the dressing room before our fights. I'd pick them up and curl them a bit, press them overhead a few times, and maybe use the longer thinner ones to use as a rope to skip. Sometimes my small sons would spar with them before their fights just to help them out. I'd make my sons wear 18 oz gloves so the middleweight fighters wouldn't get hurt too bad.