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Ok this judging is ridiculous, I think the only place you can score is right on the nose or chin, a maximum of one point per combination is scored. If any part of your punch touches the head gear it is considered blocked.
I haven't read the official rules, but that's how their judging it.
Yeah, often I can't make heads or tails of the scoring. One fight they score a body shot the next fight they ignore a body shot. Sometimes they hand out points like candy and the next time they think they are handing out gold nuggets.
Have you seen any combinations scored yet? That's one of my biggest complaints. I've seen a four punch combo where every punch lands and only one point is counted. I've seen a straight left snap a guys head back the guy gets wobbled and no point is scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
The judging is terrible. Thats all i gotta say.
Yeah, I mean do you even see a pattern for what scores and what doesn't? I don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I cant say i do. I watched an Aussie guy called Little in the lightweight division. Of course I was supporting him cos im from oz, but i could not believe he won 14-2. I think it should have been maybe 10-5 or something but bi way that spread. I felt sorry for his Namibian opponent who was not getting points for landing the same punches the Aussie was.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepYeah, I mean do you even see a pattern for what scores and what doesn't? I don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I agree with the poster who said sometimes points are like candy, sometimes the are like gold nuggets.
Heres part of the rules covering what you guys were asking.
"Bouts consists of a total of four rounds. Each round is two minutes in length with a one-minute interval between each round.
Contests are won by knockout or on points.
A point is awarded for a scoring hit with marked part of the glove on the opponent's head (side or front) or body (above the belt).
A panel of five judges decides which hits are scoring hits.
Judges each have two buttons before them, one for each boxer, and they press the appropriate button when they believe a boxer delivers a scoring hit.
An electronic scoring system registers a point whenever three or more judges press the button for one boxer within a second of each other. No point is awarded for a hit unless three of the five judges agree.
When two boxers trade blows in a flurry of infighting, where no full-force punches can land, the judges wait until the end of the exchange and award a point to the boxer who got the better of it.
At the end of the bout, when each judge's points have been totaled, the boxer awarded the most points by a majority of the judges is declared the winner.
If two boxers end up with the same number of points, the judges decide a winner by assessing such factors as which of the two took the lead and showed better style.
If the judges determine those factors to be even, they turn to which competitor showed better defense.
Punches to an opponent's arms do not score points.
Punches that are judged to have no force behind them do not score points. When a boxer commits a foul, he faces a caution, a warning or, in extreme cases, disqualification. Two cautions for a particular offence mean an automatic warning, and three warnings of any kind mean disqualification."
Body shots dont count for squat in the Olympics, unless your Chinesse ;D
When a flurry is thrown or an exchange occurs the judges reward one point to the fighter that they feel gets the better of the exchange.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepHave you seen any combinations scored yet? That's one of my biggest complaints. I've seen a four punch combo where every punch lands and only one point is counted. I've seen a straight left snap a guys head back the guy gets wobbled and no point is scored.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
Similarly a knockdown scores only one point, but the point is mandatory.
Reference this;
http://www.saddoboxing.com/7083-olympic-boxing.html
This Irish lad won his fight... I watched it from the 2nd I think he was fighting a guy from turkey? or maybe Hungry...
Any way... the other fighter bossed the fight completely, controlled the ring and got the best in most of the exchanges... just looked so much stronger and in control.
Some times it works but most of the time Amateur scoring is a joke.
You'll get as much credit for perfectly timing a counter and accurately placing it right on the button and knocking your man down than he will for tapping you with a jab... :rolleyes:
Today?Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Which Irish guy do you know??
Nevin or Darren?
It was the same story with John Joe Joyce the day before yesterday.
Olympic boxing in general SUCKS ASS!
Remember when it was like this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpUUMugmZ4s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NABqIWMCvI0
and not all this slapping bullcrap!
Could one of these fucking pansies KO somebody?!?!?!
I had to stop watching because I kept on looking at the punches being landed and then trying to see the little red and blue score thingy at the top left side of the screen to see if they were scoring the punches and they weren't so it just got annoying and I had to stop watching. Does anyone know how the judges are seated? What are they using hand held buttons? Or a machine where they have to look down? What ever they are doing, it ain't working. This is total phuking bullshiet and why do professional tennis players and basketball players get to participate in the Olys but professional boxers don't? Fuck the Olys but I have been enjoying the human dolphin Michael Phelps win all of those medals and break all of those records like it ain't no thang.
http://www.glengreen.com/images/wv_n...phelpstape.jpg
What do you expect from this kid? No mission is impossible for him ;D
Don't mention this to Jeff Fenech Please!!!!!! But they just dont want to score body shots - I dont know why - there are clean well landed shots being ignored. O well happens every olympics it seems.
Actually, there was a KO on day two. A fella from GB knocked out his foe in round one with a body shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
The winner was interviewed after the fight and about all I could make out was "Ricky Hatton left hook" lol
Even worse than the ridiculous scoring system (well, you can't really get worse) is fighters running throughout the final round when they have a lead.. Most of the fights are so messy, it seems like you need to be more lucky/favoured than good to win this thing
Being Irish seems to help too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Not to mention the Chinese.
One doesn't have to look to the Olympics for running.
See Oscar v Tito;D
I've decided it just flat out sucks. Scoring sucks, the fights suck, all is just shit.
Professional boxing is either my favorite or second favorite sport but this is just crap.
Women's gymnastics > Amateur boxing.
Not to mention if you're in the U.S. you have to mute the fights cause Teddy Atlas hasn't figured out its against the law to talk about how a fighter should use their height.
Its probably better than Badminton. As long as Teddy doesn't start calling badminton. "He's not using his height advantage."
You know Teddy is just using this as a reason for future seasons of WNF and FNF to say "solid amatuer background"Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
but really they should go back to the old corrupt system. Who cares if its corrupt, corrupt judges can't be any worse than Harold Lederman. Plus the new system has totally turned the fighting styles to shit. At least when it was corrupt there wasn't so much slap boxing, running, etc.
Absolutely Ridiclulous pretty much sums it all up.The thing I would think is fair is to take away open scoring and start deducting for every 10 seconds to the fighter who does not throw any punches and is winning.Alot of times I've seen kids and man just get on their bicycle in the fourth round and cruise to the desicion without throwing anything.
Another advancement they should start to bring around is sensors.Sensors should be placed in the boxer's gloves,headgear,and on body at the end of the contest tally up which shot's were legal and illegal and there's your winner. People will say that won't do anything well remember this is amatuer boxing not professional it's about what is thrown and what has landed not the impact or flashiness of the punch.
its sounding very bad from what i have heard..
Raushee warren apparently is out and was screwed.. he was heavy favourite to get a medal.. i seen the guy to he is strait up class.
i dont know what it is i mean no offense but soon as i saw this stuff i started thinking korea games when jones jr was robbed.. maybe some crazy shit going down with these asian officials.. not a racist thing but more so a question towards politics in those countries etc..
it just seems crooked.
I think the scores at the end should not be made available to people in the arena. Only TV. That would stop all the running.
Another idea would be to have the scores based on the punches that all judges think landed and not just the 3 out of 5 rubbish.
KO's should automatically be scored 5 points. Flurries you should be awarded 3.
Amateur boxing and pro boxing are completely different thats all there is to it. Most pro fans don't care for it. Having an amatuer background is good but doesn't always mean the guy can "fight".
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Originally Posted by No Contest
This judging is just bad though, not even following what they say a scoring punch is.
I dont even neccessarily think the judging is bad..Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepQuote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
This judging is just bad though, not even following what they say a scoring punch is.
I certainly just believe that they chose this style to judge.. and now its gotta bite them in the ass.. Cos its one thing to say look.. heres how we are going to score from now on.. thats fine.
But when it comes out to be flawed.. and so many decisions are going wrong, people are getting screwed.. not just olympics.. my guys, people i know are coming back to the gym and saying.. i dont know about that shit.. think i was robbed man.
its like.. sure.. do it that way.. do it right.
But they do it that way.. and the results are coming back incorrect and its just not fair in general.
He only screwed himself really, he thought he was ahead despite his corner tellinh him to work and he defended an imaginary lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tito BHB
The scoring in Nevins fight was terrible.
Nevin had one of the best opening rounds I've ever seen, but it concluded 0-0
I've watched quite a bit of bit, the scoring is bad but not nec bias. Of the chinese fighters IVE seen (maybe there were some I've missed which were worse) the scoring was pretty consistent, and wether a punch scored or not depended on the fussiness of the judges.
The BBC1 commentary was getting tedious after just one session, EVERY SINGLE fight had an exxaggerated comment 'how did that not score' when it's clear from the nature of the scoring some will be missed, it's all they can fuching talk about.
I think you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
The scoring is poor, but by no means unfair.
They changed the system after Roy Jones' robbery in 88, but IT'S NOT WORKING. These judges can hardly judge a fight on paper scoring, let alone count every landed punch. It's really a joke. At least with paper scoring, you didn't have the judges on display for each and every missed punch. During the Warren bout, I watched as Warren scored a pt falling down!! I also saw the Korean boxer score when Warren slipped a punch and threw a straight cross to his face. At about 1:47 left of the 4th round, the Korean boxer scores with a straight punch to the midsection. About ten seconds later, Warren throws the same punch and knocks him to the ropes - NO POINTS. At about 1:03 left, he does it again in the middle of the ring - NO POINTS. I know judges are human, but it bothers me having the scores or lack thereof right there for me to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
I also can't stand open scoring. This isn't boxing. '76 Games - that was boxing. This is track and field. I can't blame boxers for using it to their advantage, but it really does a disservice to the sport. Imagine someone hearing about boxing for the first time and then watching the Olympics. Wouldn't the be confused? They would hear about this combat sport that involves speed, hand-eye coordination, endurance, mental and physical toughness only to SEE a game of tag-your-it/keep away. Get rid of open scoring please, Ching-Kuo Wu, please. We get it, you tried to right a sport that was wrong, but over the last two Olympic games, but don't you get it? It's not working! It's a shame when you can't really say that the winners of "Olympic boxing" are really the best boxers in the world. Isn't that the point of the Olympics?
The probem is with the spectator, if you have a preference you will notice HIS points not scoring not the other way, saw two more chinese guys today and saw nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI think you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
The scoring is poor, but by no means unfair.
Still a shitty way of scoring, kind of like fencing, and I wouldn't watch that if someone paid me.