Pac vs ODLH: Pac declines offer

Both have agreed to meet at 147 lbs (or less) during the official weighin

8 oz gloves will be used

The clash being penciled for the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

As per Fightnews.com

It also noted that Pac will officially sign/decline to sign the final contract tomorrow.


In the event the De La Hoya fight doesn't happen, Arum will pit Pacquiao against Humberto Soto of Mexico on Nov. 1 at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas.(fightnews.com)

Update: Fightnews has reported that Pac has declined Goldenboy's 70/30 offer, and will begin negotiations with Soto. Pac had demanded a 60/40 split with Oscar taking the lion share.


Here is a comment from Dan Rafael of ESPN.COM/Boxing about the offer:

"Pacquiao and promoter Bob Arum certainly are asking for a huge piece of the pie in the negotiations for the fight with De La Hoya, but, hopefully, they won't get too greedy and kill the fight. Yes, Pacquiao deserves his fair share, but De La Hoya is still the A-side of the equation and whatever Pacquiao earns -- at least $10 million to $15 million -- would be (by far) the biggest purse of his life."

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Both have agreed to meet at 147 lbs (or less) during the official weighin

8 oz gloves will be used

The clash being penciled for the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

As per Fightnews.com

It also noted that Pac will officially sign/decline to sign the final contract tomorrow.


In the event the De La Hoya fight doesn't happen, Arum will pit Pacquiao against Humberto Soto of Mexico on Nov. 1 at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas.(fightnews.com)

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If it's not signed nothing has been agreed on.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Both have agreed to meet at 147 lbs (or less) during the official weighin

8 oz gloves will be used

The clash being penciled for the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

As per Fightnews.com

It also noted that Pac will officially sign/decline to sign the final contract tomorrow.


In the event the De La Hoya fight doesn't happen, Arum will pit Pacquiao against Humberto Soto of Mexico on Nov. 1 at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas.(fightnews.com)

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No go for Pacman-Oscar fight!
Wednesday, August 13 2008
By Nick Giongco
Manny Pacquiao has decided to stay at lightweight and defend his WBC 135-lb crown after turning down an offer by Golden Boy Promotions (GBP) for a Dec. 6 fight in Las Vegas, lawyer Franklin Gacal said in a statement released early Thursday morning. "I have been informed that Oscar De La Hoya is firm with the 70-30 revenue sharing and won't budge in to the 60-40 split we have counter-offered. I find the offer of GBP unconscionable hence unacceptable. It would have been an honor to fight De La Hoya on his last fight capping a very illustrious boxing career but under the circumstances, the option left is to move on. I have already made specific instructions to my lawyer to start negotiating with Bob Arum for my next fight with any possible opponent at 135 lbs," said Pacquiao. Gacal said what Pacquiao wanted was a fair share of the mega fight and apparently, Oscar De La Hoya is making an offer that he knows is unacceptable," Gacal told fightnews.com.It is certain that Pacquiao will face Humberto Soto of Mexico sometime in November in Las Vegas.

Pac-Soto is a MUCH better fight anyways.

I just watched some of Soto's fights and he is kinda reminiscent of a smaller Margarito with finer skills. Still worries me but at least this time I could sleep better:)

Great news. Thanx for that. Pac better not sleep on Soto because he could end up looking up at the lights.

That is great news. C'mon Soto!!!! I still want to see a rematch with Francisco Lorenzo so Soto can beat him senseless; but this will be a good $$$ opportunity for Humberto.

Well, that leaves Margo and DLH hopefully

oh well, so much for hype.
time for Pac - Soto ;D

Sweet now can we stop with the Roach/PAC master plans, nothing works for people that plan farther than one fight out.

plan # 1 PAC will get three titles in three weightclasses in one year. Well guess what the 140 lb. title holders got booked.

plan # 2 PAC will fight ODLH if he loses he fights Hatton, if he wins PBF comes out of retirement to fight. Guess What ODLH doesn't think that PAC is worth what ya'll do.

just focus on making one fight, make the best fight and let move on, don't try to plan a legacy, the legacy comes AFTER you retire, not before.

PAC/Soto - now we're talkin should be exciting reasonable match, PAC is the favorite, but it's a reasonable fight.

ODLH/Winky/Cotto/Margarito - I'll take any of those as a reasonable closer to the career.

Darn it! It was such a big hype *sigh*. Now what? Another Mexican (Soto) going down vs Pac :(.

Not surprised that Pac punked out.

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Darn it! It was such a big hype *sigh*. Now what? Another Mexican (Soto) going down vs Pac :(.

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Maybe outboxed but not goingdown. Soto got hit by a Juarez powershot and walked thru them. I'm still nervous for PAC.

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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut

Both have agreed to meet at 147 lbs (or less) during the official weighin

8 oz gloves will be used

The clash being penciled for the 17,000-seat MGM Grand.

As per Fightnews.com

It also noted that Pac will officially sign/decline to sign the final contract tomorrow.


In the event the De La Hoya fight doesn't happen, Arum will pit Pacquiao against Humberto Soto of Mexico on Nov. 1 at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas.(fightnews.com)

Update: Fightnews has reported that Pac has declined Goldenboy's 70/30 offer, and will begin negotiations with Soto. Pac had demanded a 60/40 split with Oscar taking the lion share.


Here is a comment from Dan Rafael of ESPN.COM/Boxing about the offer:

"Pacquiao and promoter Bob Arum certainly are asking for a huge piece of the pie in the negotiations for the fight with De La Hoya, but, hopefully, they won't get too greedy and kill the fight. Yes, Pacquiao deserves his fair share, but De La Hoya is still the A-side of the equation and whatever Pacquiao earns -- at least $10 million to $15 million -- would be (by far) the biggest purse of his life."

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Bugger Reafael, fact is, draw or not, Pac holds the cards cos he ain't desperate for an opponent.

Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH? :rolleyes: :beat:

It sure does, he should retire ;D

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Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH? :rolleyes: :beat:

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Hahahahaha! Oh man, now we'll see bunch of threads about how ODLH is completely afraid of Pac and made it an excuse or Pac. God forbid ODLH beat the forum's beloved Cotto, this place would be quite something and we would see come creative excuses as for why Cotto lost just like we did when he lost convincingly against Margarito.

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Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH? :rolleyes: :beat:

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Well he should be:rolleyes:

If that reported purse is accurate he'll sign ;D

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Does this mean Pacs scared of ODLH? :rolleyes: :beat:

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From Dan Rafael of ESPN.COM/BOXING



A week after face-to-face negotiations began for a Dec. 6 megafight between Oscar De La Hoya, boxing's most popular star, and Manny Pacquiao, the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the world, talks have broken down, leaving the fight in doubt.


Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, told ESPN.com that talks reached a stalemate Tuesday when neither De La Hoya nor Pacquiao would budge from the percentage split each wanted.
According to Arum, De La Hoya was seeking a 70-30 revenue split in his favor while Pacquiao wanted 40 percent of an HBO PPV fight that would likely generate more than $100 million.


The other issues had been resolved, Arum said. The sides agreed to a 147-pound maximum weight limit, meaning De La Hoya would have to make the welterweight limit for the first time since defeating Arturo Gatti in 2001. The lightest De La Hoya, who has won titles in six divisions, had been since was for his May decision win against Steve Forbes when he weighed 150 pounds.


Pacquiao, who holds a 135-pound lightweight title after starting his career as a 106-pounder, would have moved up two weight classes to fight De La Hoya.
Also resolved was the issue of the gloves for the fight that would have taken place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, where De La Hoya figures to face a different opponent at the end of the year unless he or Pacquiao has a change of heart.


Arum said the sides had also agreed to wear 8-ounce gloves of the brand of their choice instead of 10-ounce gloves


"Richard and I had a good meeting and we resolved the other issues," Arum said. "Oscar wanted 70-30 and Richard and I figured that there would be room for movement. Oscar was supposed to come in [to Los Angeles] this week to meet with Richard in person, but he didn't make it and had to do it on the telephone. Oscar was adamant about it being 70-30 or no deal. Richard told me that and that I transmitted it to Pacquiao and his people in the Philippines. They told me that there was no deal and to look to make another fight."


Arum said his backup plan is for Pacquiao to defend his lightweight belt against Humberto Soto, a top junior lightweight who would move up for the opportunity. However, Arum does not have a site or venue in which to stage the fight in the jam-packed fall.


Arum was clearly disappointed with the turn the talks took.
"This is not Richard or me f------ around," he said. "Richard and I had a very frank discussion. I always felt there would be a deal. When Richard came back and said that Oscar wasn't moving, I was surprised. Unless there is movement, the deal is off."


Schaefer was tied up in a meeting and not available to comment, but his words from a week ago when talks began were prophetic.
"I think what it will take is for Manny to give and for Oscar to give to get a deal done," Schaefer said.


Had Pacquiao, who has won titles in five divisions, accepted a 30 percent split, he could have earned his biggest payday, upwards of $10 million to $15 million. Arum said that is not the way Pacquiao thinks.


"The question in a fighter's mind is not how much they're going to make, but what is a fair split," he said. "Forget the ultimate number. They have to perceive what they are getting is fair. The deal we were working on was a lot of money for both guys. The question is what is a fair split? I thought somewhere between 30 and 40 percent for Manny was fair."


The most Pacquiao, 29, has ever made for a fight is about $5 million, Arum said.
Arum said he wished that De La Hoya had said it was 70-30 or nothing from the start.
"You don't start a negotiations offering 30 percent and adamantly take the position that you're not going to move. He should have said that in the beginning. It's not Richard, it's Oscar. He says Manny shouldn't get more than Floyd [Mayweather]. Floyd got 30 percent. Manny says he's bigger than Floyd was at the time."
When De La Hoya, 35, lost to Mayweather in May 2007, Mayweather received 30 percent of the promotion for what turned out to be the biggest grossing fight in history.


Arum left the door open to still making the fight.
"If they called us and proposed 35 percent I would go and I would be able to get the fight done," Arum said. "I hope that Oscar, with all his money and everything, is going to be sensible here."


Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.

Don't worry guys. It's not over yet!! This just a part of the hype. Pac is just Passing the ball to DLH. DLH will have a better Offer & this fight will still be made. After all that hype for the past few weeks... they can't just abandon this fight. It's up to DLH now.

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Don't worry guys. It's not over yet!! This just a part of the hype. Pac is just Passing the ball to DLH. DLH will have a better Offer & this fight will still be made. After all that hype for the past few weeks... they can't just abandon this fight. It's up to DLH now.

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No it's up to Pac. That 30% is double the highest purse Pac has ever made. What fukking more does he want? If he feels he can beat Oscar than take the fight. But he doesn't feel that. Pac knows he has no chance against Oscar. And has finally come to his senses.

Yea I gotta agree if Floyd took 30% in all his high and mightiness and an ego the size of all out doors. Pac is smoking some good shit if he thinks he should get more.. The guy is gonna make $10 million more than he ever has in a fight...

Not to mention Floyd broke his ass in the promotion of that fight and made sure he generated a shiit load of attention negative or not, so he made sure that 30% was gonna translate to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Pac dosent have the crossover appeal, charisma nor the ability to promote this fight as a BIG EVENT!! thats what made Mayweather Delahoya so lucrative... Guys that fight around Pac's weight limit dont make that kind of money.. He needs to make it happen

Remember half of nothing is still nothing and thats what he has now

Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.

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Yea I gotta agree if Floyd took 30% in all his high and mightiness and an ego the size of all out doors. Pac is smoking some good shit if he thinks he should get more.. The guy is gonna make $10 million more than he ever has in a fight...

Not to mention Floyd broke his ass in the promotion of that fight and made sure he generated a shiit load of attention negative or not, so he made sure that 30% was gonna translate to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Pac dosent have the crossover appeal, charisma nor the ability to promote this fight as a BIG EVENT!! thats what made Mayweather Delahoya so lucrative... Guys that fight around Pac's weight limit dont make that kind of money.. He needs to make it happen

Remember half of nothing is still nothing and thats what he has now

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agreed

PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.

Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...

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PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.

Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...

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:lolhaha: Yeah paying a fighter double the amount of his previous highest purse is really disrespectful. Come now. Bottom line is Pac talked a good game, but never really wanted the fight. If he did he would accept his career high purse and fight. But he knows it's going to be hard to enjoy his money if he's in ICU.

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Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.

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So Oscar is getting 70% and it's fair?:confused:


Come on guys, let's put down our biases here. Pac is taking the greater risk.He's the smaller guy and he's doomed to be KOed in this fight. Pac deserves 35% at least.

Pac doesn't need to promote this fight. Unlike Mayweather vs DLH, this fight is a publicity in itself.

Boxing should be beyond nationality. True boxing fans don't care about nationality.:cool:

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Not surprised that Pac punked out.

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DLH punked out by even wanting to fight that little guy.

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Say what you want about Oscar...but Pac is dillusional to think he will get 60/40 in his favor. I could personally care less about this matchup...so hopefully it wont happen and Pac can focus on taking care of business in the lower weight classes. These kind of fights show the ugly/greedy side of boxing. Neither of these fighters should be looking for this fight to happen. There are plenty of natural/great 147 pounders Oscar could/should be fighting. And Pac has plenty of great opponents at 130/135. But $$$ and publicity sometimes trumps all in this business.

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So Oscar is getting 70% and it's fair?:confused:


Come on guys, let's put down our biases here. Pac is taking the greater risk.He's the smaller guy and he's doomed to be KOed in this fight. Pac deserves 35% at least.

Pac doesn't need to promote this fight. Unlike Mayweather vs DLH, this fight is a publicity in itself.

Boxing should be beyond nationality. True boxing fans don't care about nationality.:cool:

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You see the numbers to Pac last PPV? That shows nobody really cares about Pac unless he's fighting another big name. Oscar can fight your mom and people will watch. He without a doubt deserves the bigger purse. And what the fukk is Pac even complaining about? That 30% is a career high purse. Take the money and fight. You ran your mouth. Now you going to biitch out?

I remember what atty.gacal (pac's pinoy lawyer) said in a local t.v. interview in one of our sports related shows:
"Pac taking on hoya is a very, very risky fight, pac knows it and the whole pac-team knows it.(Even most of my countrymen are dubious about the fight, i may add-panadz) It's just justififiable that pac asks for a sensible share since this is a risky fight. A 60-40 share is what we want, no more no less. Even if they do it 61-39, we will never agree with it. 60-40 and that's it: end of bargain." -gacal as translated by me..
That for me is a resounding principle that "we get what is due for the various risks we are going to take coming on to the fight." That is something no man can take away from and i give props to the pac team for that. No way they're gonna get cheated in a fight were most of the people see the odds stacked against them. It's up to hoya to take it. I mean c'mon, all he has to do is sign the papers and let's go. Is pac to blame for this? I don't think so. It's not on the nature of pac backing down from anyone that's what i can honestly see and what he proved through out this years. This is the opportunity any boxer are dreaming of and wanting to get. Remember pac-mab1? Did pac backed off from mab knowing that mab is very well still on his prime, just coming from a win with em on their second fight (so that's a morale booster imo) and is very much going to the atg status? Nope because that is what pac is waiting to get eventhough he was the heavy underdog then. Just like what guz is waiting to get from pac. Because of that mab fight, where is pac now? My point is, all this business moves are just doors of opportunities for pac to take so that he can get in to the higher level. Any business move that can raise some eyebrows are all the hints the haters ware waiting to see and take advantage of: look how quick they are to throw stones. This is boxing aren't you used to it? I may also say the same for hoya: i don't think he backs off from anyone too, knmowing his opposition (trinidad, b-hop, pbf, chavez, camacho,gatti)though some boxing fans are critical of hoya's achievements. (and so is pac's) But again:is it pac's call?
All they do is wait, "we get the money, what now for your legacy to be capped at it's apex, hoya? Will you sign it and show the world that you can easily tear down little "easy"pac for all the world to see?" And after all the beef that hoya had between toprank, roach, and maybe pac himself: i'm really surprised that hoya don't want this fight to happen.

Is it pac's fault? Nope. They are just being rational since hoya is a very dangerous opponent. All they did was wait. Pacteam has the penchant to trade money for legacy and we all know it. Yet they did gave us pac-jmm2 because they know the moneyroll's gonna kick in in ppv's.

Boxing, we must always put within our heads: is not just bruising your eyebrows, cracking your jaws, breaking your ribs type of sport. It is a business sport. Ever wonder why some fantasy fights don't happen eventhough they're very much suited to each other and can end up as exciting as hell? Because the money forces within just won't let it happen. It comes with the package, why the hell are we gonna go throw stones to the other saying he is ducking, he is avoiding. That is a very arrogant statement as if he is not watching boxing through out his life, though proclaiming that he does? Fact of the matter is, this fight was very much close to happen so their is an indication that they want it(specifically the pacteam): simply for the deniro $$$. "Finally come to his senses?" As if he did not think about it before they sat on the table and talked about it. That is a very funny remark from a fellow poster here at saddo. :D

Anyways hoya is filthy rich now. Why can't he just give 10% more? 60-40. Is that too much asking since it's regarded as risky by the pac team?

I have a gut feeling it will push thru one way or another.
PAC will change his mind as usual/or will be convinced to take this fight anyways.
10 million is hard to resist IMO but with the health risk involved PAC deserves more than that.
Regarding Oscar he wants an easy opponent where he will get the fans to root for him, against Tony I think most fans will be rooting for Tony.:cool:

Money can't buy a potential death...and hospital bills
Seriously,if you think this is a veeery risky fight (former 106 pnds fighting a 155pnds.), then get the right share you're worth with, from a boxer's standpoint.

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Anyways hoya is filthy rich now. Why can't he just give 10% more? 60-40. Is that too much asking since it's regarded as risky by the pac team?

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He's already getting double his previous high purse. Pac is going from a coward biitch to a money hungry coward biitch. Fool ran his mouth. Than decides to punk out.

:pointlol: Manny Pacquiao

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PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.

Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...

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:lolhaha: Yeah paying a fighter double the amount of his previous highest purse is really disrespectful. Come now. Bottom line is Pac talked a good game, but never really wanted the fight. If he did he would accept his career high purse and fight. But he knows it's going to be hard to enjoy his money if he's in ICU.

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Giving double of PAC's highest purse is NOT the figure they're talking about. Team PAC is asking for a fair share of the purse split. Oscar taking 70% of the purse is just disrespectful of PAC's achievements. What does Oscar have at the moment? He even got NO belt. He just banking on his popularity but he can't impose his will on everybody as bravely shown by PAC's decision to turned down his ridiculous purse split offer.

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PAC just showing that Hoya can't force his issue on everybody in boxing.

Hoya is the PPV king but offering 70-30 split is sort of a disrespect to PAC...

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:lolhaha: Yeah paying a fighter double the amount of his previous highest purse is really disrespectful. Come now. Bottom line is Pac talked a good game, but never really wanted the fight. If he did he would accept his career high purse and fight. But he knows it's going to be hard to enjoy his money if he's in ICU.

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Giving double of PAC's highest purse is NOT the figure they're talking about. Team PAC is asking for a fair share of the purse split. Oscar taking 70% of the purse is just disrespectful of PAC's achievements. What does Oscar have at the moment? He even got NO belt. He just banking on his popularity but he can't impose his will on everybody as bravely shown by PAC's decision to turned down his ridiculous purse split offer.

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With all due respect Saddo...you are missing the point. You make it seem like Oscar forces people to buy tickets to see him. Oscar, for better or worse, is the biggest star in boxing. People don't care if he has a belt...they buy into his star power. Are you telling me any other fighter in his position, Pac included, wouldn't "impose his will" on business decisions?! Almost 99.9% of boxers who would be fortunate enough to be in Oscar's position would behave the same way. Boxing is as much a business as it is a sport. So until people stop wanting to pay to see Oscar fight...there really is no need to get on his case for banking on his image and demanding the lions share of fights. This fight would, even with the "disrespectful" split of 70/30, be by FAR the most lucrative and publicized fight of Pac's career. I have no interest in the fight and as i said before both fighters could look for much better fights/opponents. But this clearly is an "event" and publicity fight. And since Oscar would be the main public persona and draw for both the fight itself and the buildup for it...he could demand pretty much anything he wants. If Pac, Roach, and Arum want to be part of this ridiculous fight...they need to shut up and except the deal...because it certainly isn't Oscar who needs the money or publicity (though he certainly craves more of both). Otherwise, Pac should focus on the better fights at 130/135.

Maybe we can try to read some headline news:

link --> Pacman Dumps Oscar