What should be the legacy of John "The Beast" Mugabi?

The Beast had an Excitement Factor of 90% which I define by dividing total KOs by total fights His record was 42 (KO 39)- 7 (KO 6)-1. He iced many a tough opponent and perhaps his best showing was in his lost to Hagler where he gave a solid account of himself. Had he not returned after a 5 year "retirement," his record would have been 38-4.

All in all, I say he was an extrenly entertaining fighter during a time when many brawlers did their thing on TV. He could pop and be popped. I think his legacy should be colored with respect.

What do you think? :confused: :confused: :confused::confused:

Mugabi's fight with Hagler is one of my favorites , i often wonder how good he would have been is he hadnt ran into the Marvalous one , or had he beat Dwaine Thomas , would loved to have seen him fight Matt Hilton at LMW ,

I will always remember John with a smile.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Mugabi's fight with Hagler is one of my favorites , i often wonder how good he would have been is he hadnt ran into the Marvalous one , or had he beat Dwaine Thomas , would loved to have seen him fight Matt Hilton at LMW ,

I will always remember John with a smile.

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John was a very good fighter, but I think Hagler took something from him. Not necessarily physically, but mentally. You feel so indestructible, then run into a guy who can take everything you offer. His losing to Hagler gave his future opponents more confidence against him also.

HAHA Matthew Hilton. I remember him. Great Left Hook, shitty conditioning and dedication. Same with his brothers Davey and Alex (now they have all been in jail numerous times, robberies etc)

An interesting tidbit. Their Father Dave Hilton, also trained Joe and Arturo Gatti for a while when they were young.

Never trained Hard wouldnt Run Lived for sex was riddled with sifalus and wouldnt listen to his coach. Lazy Bastard, Rude, but could He Fight Yes ;D

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Mugabi's fight with Hagler is one of my favorites , i often wonder how good he would have been is he hadnt ran into the Marvalous one , or had he beat Dwaine Thomas , would loved to have seen him fight Matt Hilton at LMW ,

I will always remember John with a smile.

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John was a very good fighter, but I think Hagler took something from him. Not necessarily physically, but mentally. You feel so indestructible, then run into a guy who can take everything you offer. His losing to Hagler gave his future opponents more confidence against him also.

HAHA Matthew Hilton. I remember him. Great Left Hook, shitty conditioning and dedication. Same with his brothers Davey and Alex (now they have all been in jail numerous times, robberies etc)

An interesting tidbit. Their Father Dave Hilton, also trained Joe and Arturo Gatti for a while when they were young.

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Another tidbit: Buddy McGirt once beat Joe Gatti; then trained Gatti's brother, Arturo.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Mugabi's fight with Hagler is one of my favorites , i often wonder how good he would have been is he hadnt ran into the Marvalous one , or had he beat Dwaine Thomas , would loved to have seen him fight Matt Hilton at LMW ,

I will always remember John with a smile.

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Me too! ;D :) :) :) ;D

Good fighter, but not great. great puncher :)

He had an excellent fight with Hagler which was superb to see and he looked good getting KO ed by terry Norris.

i think if he hadnt of come up against marvelous marvin he may be known today as one of the best middle/lightmiddle weights. but thats what make great fighters i guess. loved micky duff in his corner that night 'listen to the father john if you wont listen to me listen tot he father!' haha

John Mugabi is a fighter who could have been an ATG if he was brought along better...

They should have tested Mugabi a bit before putting him in the ring with Hagler....

Marvin ruined Mugabi.....though I am a fan of Mugabi (his style won't allow otherwise) I blame his team a lot for his short comings....Almost like Fernando Vargas being rushed so soon into big fights and how it ended his career long before it should have

Mugabis career is that of fighters who are punchers and just have brutal fights and whos flame dies out fast...

Mugabi was a very good Amatuer with a good pedigree. Micky Duff was at that time a terriffic Matchmaker with good contacts in the States, and was good at knowing when to take Fights eg Honeygun Curry. With Mugabis life style and no love for working He wasnt going to be around long Micky lost a lot betting on the Hagler Fight, He was confident of mugabi winning having had a few of his Fighters Box Hagler. George Francis bless Him Told me Mugabi was the worst Boxer for messing about He had ever worked with. He made Georges life a misery.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Mugabi was a very good Amatuer with a good pedigree. Micky Duff was at that time a terriffic Matchmaker with good contacts in the States, and was good at knowing when to take Fights eg Honeygun Curry. With Mugabis life style and no love for working He wasnt going to be around long Micky lost a lot betting on the Hagler Fight, He was confident of mugabi winning having had a few of his Fighters Box Hagler. George Francis bless Him Told me Mugabi was the worst Boxer for messing about He had ever worked with. He made Georges life a misery.

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Always great to read your insight Scrap...

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Mugabis career is that of fighters who are punchers and just have brutal fights and whos flame dies out fast...

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i agree. my dad use to be a big mugabi fan. so i saw a lot of his fights as a kid. he's the fighter edison miranda reminds me of

Made on legit one hit power but he also comes to mind when ever someone raves and hypes up a fighter with emence KO percentage.....until that power is taken and/or countered by a top tier fighter and when the tables are turned,then you ask "Now What"?? There has to be a plan B.

Mugabi fought the fight of his life vs. Hagler but as previously mentioned....at a taxing price.His follow up lose to Dwyane Thomas was just insane and he was tagged with the "quiter" lable.......busted eye socket or not.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Mugabis career is that of fighters who are punchers and just have brutal fights and whos flame dies out fast...

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a la Livingston Bramble

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Originally Posted by spade

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Mugabis career is that of fighters who are punchers and just have brutal fights and whos flame dies out fast...

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a la Livingston Bramble

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Oh ouch....Bramble was a pretty capable counter puncher and inside fighter at a point.If anything Ras-I.....(I actually named my dog Ras-I many years ago lol) had his career candle set on simmer in late years.He hung on waaaaay to long as a "survivor" in later stages but had some descent skills.I think Mugabi had about One gear.....Bramble had a a few Imo ;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by spade

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Mugabis career is that of fighters who are punchers and just have brutal fights and whos flame dies out fast...

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a la Livingston Bramble

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Oh ouch....Bramble was a pretty capable counter puncher and inside fighter at a point.If anything Ras-I.....(I actually named my dog Ras-I many years ago lol) had his career candle set on simmer in late years.He hung on waaaaay to long as a "survivor" in later stages but had some descent skills.I think Mugabi had about One gear.....Bramble had a a few Imo ;D

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Had a rock chin until Edwin Rosario cracked it

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

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Originally Posted by spade

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Mugabis career is that of fighters who are punchers and just have brutal fights and whos flame dies out fast...

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a la Livingston Bramble

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Oh ouch....Bramble was a pretty capable counter puncher and inside fighter at a point.If anything Ras-I.....(I actually named my dog Ras-I many years ago lol) had his career candle set on simmer in late years.He hung on waaaaay to long as a "survivor" in later stages but had some descent skills.I think Mugabi had about One gear.....Bramble had a a few Imo ;D

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In terms of existence, yeah Bramble really hold on way too long compared to Mugabi, but in terms of popularity, he is like John Mugabi who has a promising career until he met the Marvelous One.

He became way too popular after beating ray mancini twice, the first fight i considered one of the best i've seen

After winning the belt, he lost it immediately to Edwin Rosario.

He lost on all noticeable names after then, Freddie Pendleton, Santos Cardona, Oba Carr, Charles Murray.

I don't know when he change his name but i think he had to because he kept on losing. Then to Roger Mayweather, then to Kostya.

Did not realize two years was considered an Immediate time frame and as I remember Rosario was one of the hardest hitters In the modern era that I have ever seen.

To argue that Bramble did not become a resume "name" at journeyman status would be ignoring history & reality but Dude had some skills other than being a big hitter......which he really was not.Mugabi & Bramble over all do not compare Imo ,is what I'm saying.Did you see the Carr fight? ;D

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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Did not realize two years was considered an Immediate time frame and as I remember Rosario was one of the hardest hitters In the modern era that I have ever seen.

To argue that Bramble did not become a resume "name" at journeyman status would be ignoring history & reality but Dude had some skills other than being a big hitter......which he really was not.Mugabi & Bramble over all do not compare Imo ,is what I'm saying.Did you see the Carr fight? ;D

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I've seen it long time ago, but i do recall it's a controversial fight. He decked Carr twice and lost via split decision as far as i can recall

As I recall, Bramble fiought top level opposition after the Rosario icing, and for the most part was able to go the distance with most even though he lost to most. He was tough as nails. IMO. Also, not a bad guy to talk with. I once asked him if the Mancini camp had badly underestimated him in their first fight and his reply was ,"it would not have mattered.";D

mugabi made hagler piss blood after their bout - hagler was "disturbed" at the sight of blood in his urine, according to a nevada inspector, kenny bayless

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Originally Posted by holmcall

As I recall, Bramble fiought top level opposition after the Rosario icing, and for the most part was able to go the distance with most even though he lost to most. He was tough as nails. IMO. Also, not a bad guy to talk with. I once asked him if the Mancini camp had badly underestimated him in their first fight and his reply was ,"it would not have mattered.";D

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No doubt about it. I had to go back and take yet another look today at a couple.Just As Ive said before....Bramble "L" Carr was an absolute,terrible blind mans decision.Crazy how it came about,USA network did a 900 # call in poll for the fans to actually pick Carr's next "opponent" and they choose Bramble.He pole-axed Carr with a straight right in the first and dropped him with another to end the round.Carr came back in 2nd with some very nice uppercuts/hooks and took that round.Carr looked to box the rest of the night but in the 5th he really staggered Bramble with a left hook off the ropes only to gas out after he unloaded everything trying to KO him.After that I had Bramble winning the next 4 rounds with effective pressure and he hurt Carr in the body around the 9th.Manny Steward told Carr going into the 9th he needed the knockout but Bramble was the harder puncher and had Carr backing up taking hard body shots.The Detroit hometown crowd had shouts of "Bullshit" at Decision announcement,I had it scored 97-92 for Livingstone.He said in interview that it was "The best fight that he ever lost" :-X

In fairness,His DQ to Mayweather should have been ruled a TKO,After a couple of tight rounds,Roger zeroed in with some hellacious straight rights...as he was known to do lol, and really hurt Bramble badly.Put him on the deck and in the 4th,Mayweather hurt him again and Bramble was really stunned,only to have the ref step in at which point Mayweather hit him on the break sending him down,The cornerman stepped up on the ring apron to stop the fight I believe and Ref ruled it a DQ ??? All kinds of chaos broke out,Man,that is a dumbarse rule. His fight with Kevin Rooneys Up & coming hopeful Ricky Meyers was just a war,really good fight.Meyers tried to duplicate the Mike Tyson "Bob & Weave" style throughout,with some success and won on work rate.Nice scrap!!Need coffee ;D

talking of Edwin Rosario , i remember his BOMBS bouncing off a challenger named Julio Chavez , in what for me was my favorite JCC performance.it was brutal

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Originally Posted by SorceryatCaesar

mugabi made hagler piss blood after their bout - hagler was "disturbed" at the sight of blood in his urine, according to a nevada inspector, kenny bayless

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I'm always distubred when I piss blood!! :o:o:o:o:o

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

talking of Edwin Rosario , i remember his BOMBS bouncing off a challenger named Julio Chavez , in what for me was my favorite JCC performance.it was brutal

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Agreed brutal non-stop action from JCC which I would love to see Mayweather at the receiving end of.

Any man who could last that long against Hagler was one tough son of a gun

according to johnny bos, hagler never was the same after taking a bomb uppercut by mugabi in the fourth or fifth round - his body shuddered and his eyes went blank - hagler had a tremendous chin and stayed up but he decided, in that instant, that he was getting out - and he very nearly turned down leonard's offer, which came public about seven weeks later

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Originally Posted by plopeater

Any man who could last that long against Hagler was one tough son of a gun

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Oh yeah, how about Gerald McClellan - Mugabi?