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I'm in an odd situation.

A friend has been training with me for 3 weeks now.
In that time I've helped him shed a half stone and he's feeling very fit and strong, so I am delighted.
He's also agreed to have a White Collar fight on a card that I am helping to organise, so I've had him spar me and some others.
When sparring me he has no problems, I'm not really a pressure fighter and I step back a lot so he had breathing space. He's not nervous when he's in there with me so that also helps.

But last night in sparring we did spar a pressure fighter.
Matt was doing fairly well apart from constantly ducking for his knees when flurries came his way (keep in mind this was light sparring)
Toward the end of his second round he did the same, ducked low and took what I would deem a sharp tap to the temple.

He was wearing a Top ten headgear and went down, leaning over the bottom rope, identically to Jersey Joe against Marciano.
I thought fatigue had played its part, but he insisted he was dazed.

I really don't know what to think of this.
Should I allow him to fight?
I've been working defense with him for a few weeks and he hasn't really been jarred before this.
Why would he go down so heavily telling me "the ropes were spinning" from such a pulled shot?

I'm guessing it's his first time to a knockout spot? I remember doing some light sparring and getting hit flush with a pretty soft left hook, and felt dazed. But now I know what the feeling is like and you can sort of hide the look on your face till it passes. I'm guessing it's just a bit of an over-reaction, sort of like when you get winded for the first time and start gasping for air and panic takes over. At least it didn't happen in the bout, I think you'll just have to see if he is comfortable with it?

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Originally Posted by Salty

I'm guessing it's his first time to a knockout spot? I remember doing some light sparring and getting hit flush with a pretty soft left hook, and felt dazed. But now I know what the feeling is like and you can sort of hide the look on your face till it passes. I'm guessing it's just a bit of an over-reaction, sort of like when you get winded for the first time and start gasping for air and panic takes over. At least it didn't happen in the bout, I think you'll just have to see if he is comfortable with it?

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I understand where you're coming from and I agree with most of thanks Salty.

But what I worry about is him going down from a slight tap.
There was nothing on it.

I had considered that when he was getting continuosly attacked he just gave up, lost heart and crumbled, but it does seem he was dazed - by a nothing punch!

Just bumping this up because I'd like to gain a few opinions before I decide on a course of action.

I dont know how much Id worry,I had Feur sparring a girl,and she dropped this girl twice within less then a round,the girl went on to win Rough N Rowdy.
Sometimes a shot lands just right,and the lights go dim

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I dont know how much Id worry,I had Feur sparring a girl,and she dropped this girl twice within less then a round,the girl went on to win Rough N Rowdy.
Sometimes a shot lands just right,and the lights go dim

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Knockdowns happen I realise that although I've never expierienced it, but this was a tiny punch Monkey, really a tap.

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I dont know how much Id worry,I had Feur sparring a girl,and she dropped this girl twice within less then a round,the girl went on to win Rough N Rowdy.
Sometimes a shot lands just right,and the lights go dim

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Knockdowns happen I realise that although I've never expierienced it, but this was a tiny punch Monkey, really a tap.

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Honest,when I first started sparring again,I got caught with a couple of shots early on that led to flash knockdowns,one minute everythings going well,the next your thinking"How did I get down here?"But as I sparred more,I just redeveloped the ability to blow those shots off.
Im assuming your local commision is going to ask for an MRI anyway,if that comes back clean,dont sweat it.
I would make him spar more,just to get him more accustomed to taking those shots

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Honest,when I first started sparring again,I got caught with a couple of shots early on that led to flash knockdowns,one minute everythings going well,the next your thinking"How did I get down here?"But as I sparred more,I just redeveloped the ability to blow those shots off.
Im assuming your local commision is going to ask for an MRI anyway,if that comes back clean,dont sweat it.
I would make him spar more,just to get him more accustomed to taking those shots

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Perhaps,
I'll see what his attitude is like in a week when he's back in the gym, if he wants to I'll help him, but there is doubt in me now.

There will be no MRI, it was in private sparring.

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Honest,when I first started sparring again,I got caught with a couple of shots early on that led to flash knockdowns,one minute everythings going well,the next your thinking"How did I get down here?"But as I sparred more,I just redeveloped the ability to blow those shots off.
Im assuming your local commision is going to ask for an MRI anyway,if that comes back clean,dont sweat it.
I would make him spar more,just to get him more accustomed to taking those shots

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Perhaps,
I'll see what his attitude is like in a week when he's back in the gym, if he wants to I'll help him, but there is doubt in me now.

There will be no MRI, it was in private sparring.

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Sorry,quite a few commisions ask for one,just to liscence you,so I was assuming.
See how he reacts to a few more sessions then,if it keeps happening,then Id start to worry..
Do yourself a favour and ask him if he's ever been diagnosed with a concussion before

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Sorry,quite a few commisions ask for one,just to liscence you,so I was assuming.
See how he reacts to a few more sessions then,if it keeps happening,then Id start to worry..
Do yourself a favour and ask him if he's ever been diagnosed with a concussion before

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I'll ask him although I seriously doubt it.

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Sorry,quite a few commisions ask for one,just to liscence you,so I was assuming.
See how he reacts to a few more sessions then,if it keeps happening,then Id start to worry..
Do yourself a favour and ask him if he's ever been diagnosed with a concussion before

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I'll ask him although I seriously doubt it.

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Reason I asked you to ask,different guys react differently to getting concussed,some pop back up like nothing happened at all,you'll talk to them after the fight and their as clear as a clear blue sky,some develop an off switch and are just spending the rest of their careers looking for a comfortable piece of canvas to take a nap on.

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Reason I asked you to ask,different guys react differently to getting concussed,some pop back up like nothing happened at all,you'll talk to them after the fight and their as clear as a clear blue sky,some develop an off switch and are just spending the rest of their careers looking for a comfortable piece of canvas to take a nap on.

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I had a mild one myself Saturday.
I've had a concussion but never touched down.
He took a small pop and I reckon he was down for 10 seconds just kneeling as if he was praying, but bent forward, arm in rope.

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Reason I asked you to ask,different guys react differently to getting concussed,some pop back up like nothing happened at all,you'll talk to them after the fight and their as clear as a clear blue sky,some develop an off switch and are just spending the rest of their careers looking for a comfortable piece of canvas to take a nap on.

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I had a mild one myself Saturday.
I've had a concussion but never touched down.
He took a small pop and I reckon he was down for 10 seconds just kneeling as if he was praying, but bent forward, arm in rope.

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Could also be water drain if he's tried to lose weight recently,happened to Feur against Seivert,happened to Andrew against Dumas

I make sure he drinks plenty, but I don't know what his intake is like when not in the gym.

Fatigue may have a lot to do with it.

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I make sure he drinks plenty, but I don't know what his intake is like when not in the gym.

Fatigue may have a lot to do with it.

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Yeah Feur was coming off the flu and was total weight drained,Andrew sauna suited himself down to make weight.
Both of them ended up going ass over teacups for it,theres a reason I more or less have Andrews training on lockdown now

White collar, by that do you mean a match between non-boxers?
If he's only been training for 3 weeks and it was the first shot he actually felt it probably came just as a shock to him.
Check his reaction this week, is he REALLY up for the fight or not, or maybe the slight over reaction may be a small cry to be pulled out rather than admit he doesn't feel up to it yet.

Couldn't you just increase the pressure when you're sparring him?

How old is this Friend Don

What I think we're all saying,is there's alot of potential variables

three weeks is way too soon to be sparring, i know in a lot of gyms you will be thrown in right away but a novice must first learn and be fairly ok with the basics, way to early for this guy to be talking about fighting, anyways if he went down and was spinning after a light tap he prob doesnt have what it takes to even be sparring. stick to non contact boxercise or something lol

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White collar, by that do you mean a match between non-boxers?
If he's only been training for 3 weeks and it was the first shot he actually felt it probably came just as a shock to him.
Check his reaction this week, is he REALLY up for the fight or not, or maybe the slight over reaction may be a small cry to be pulled out rather than admit he doesn't feel up to it yet.

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He's been in and out of a boxing gym for over a year.
I take no responsibilty when I'm not with him, but when he's with me I only ever spar light and ask the others the same.

Thats precisely what I am going to do.

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Couldn't you just increase the pressure when you're sparring him?

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I could but thats not what I really do.
In order for our sparring to pay any dividends for myself I'm just throwing my jab perfectly and defending as best I can.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

How old is this Friend Don

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He is 20 Scrap.
He works shift work, either earlys or lates.

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three weeks is way too soon to be sparring, i know in a lot of gyms you will be thrown in right away but a novice must first learn and be fairly ok with the basics, way to early for this guy to be talking about fighting, anyways if he went down and was spinning after a light tap he prob doesnt have what it takes to even be sparring. stick to non contact boxercise or something lol

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He's been boxing a while, he is decent with the fundamentals.

He has taken some shots in the past and there was no real reaction.

Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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That is one I wouldnt have guessed,damn good thing he got dropped

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Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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Donny - Guess it shows your instincts were correct about something not being quite right.

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Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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Donny - Guess it shows your instincts were correct about something not being quite right.

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Hey - I guess it does!

He won't ever be able to box competitively, but fair play to him, he's still coming to the gym and blasting through the workouts

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Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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Donny - Guess it shows your instincts were correct about something not being quite right.

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Hey - I guess it does!

He won't ever be able to box competitively, but fair play to him, he's still coming to the gym and blasting through the workouts

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My first instinct is to say hydrate the hell out of him,but I dont know if his kidneys can take it

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Donny - Guess it shows your instincts were correct about something not being quite right.

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Hey - I guess it does!

He won't ever be able to box competitively, but fair play to him, he's still coming to the gym and blasting through the workouts

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My first instinct is to say hydrate the hell out of him,but I dont know if his kidneys can take it

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Well like I said, he can't fight, but he's safe to train.

He can "operate" safely without physical contact.
But when he gets tired and gets hit he'll just switch off.

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Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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That is one I wouldnt have guessed,damn good thing he got dropped

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The Good Lord was definitely watching out for him. :)

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Good job he got knocked down.

He went to the doctor and got himself checked.
Turns out he's got a problem with his kidneys.

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That is one I wouldnt have guessed,damn good thing he got dropped

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The Good Lord was definitely watching out for him. :)

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No freaking kidding,alot of commisions dont have thorough physicals, can you imagine that guy taking numerous shots to the kidneys?

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I'm in an odd situation.

A friend has been training with me for 3 weeks now.
In that time I've helped him shed a half stone and he's feeling very fit and strong, so I am delighted.
He's also agreed to have a White Collar fight on a card that I am helping to organise, so I've had him spar me and some others.
When sparring me he has no problems, I'm not really a pressure fighter and I step back a lot so he had breathing space. He's not nervous when he's in there with me so that also helps.

But last night in sparring we did spar a pressure fighter.
Matt was doing fairly well apart from constantly ducking for his knees when flurries came his way (keep in mind this was light sparring)
Toward the end of his second round he did the same, ducked low and took what I would deem a sharp tap to the temple.

He was wearing a Top ten headgear and went down, leaning over the bottom rope, identically to Jersey Joe against Marciano.
I thought fatigue had played its part, but he insisted he was dazed.

I really don't know what to think of this.
Should I allow him to fight?
I've been working defense with him for a few weeks and he hasn't really been jarred before this.
Why would he go down so heavily telling me "the ropes were spinning" from such a pulled shot?

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Did i read this right, your friend has been training for 3 weeks and you are gonna allow him to fight. To answer your question there is no way you should allow him to fight after 3 weeks of training. I cant beleive you are even considering putting him in. From what you have expained about your friend he doesnt sound like he is ready to have a fight if he is taking a knee during light sparring, that shits embarrasing.

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That is one I wouldnt have guessed,damn good thing he got dropped

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The Good Lord was definitely watching out for him. :)

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No freaking kidding,alot of commisions dont have thorough physicals, can you imagine that guy taking numerous shots to the kidneys?

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It might have killed him. :-\:-X

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Did i read this right, your friend has been training for 3 weeks and you are gonna allow him to fight. To answer your question there is no way you should allow him to fight after 3 weeks of training. I cant beleive you are even considering putting him in. From what you have expained about your friend he doesnt sound like he is ready to have a fight if he is taking a knee during light sparring, that shits embarrasing.

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No you didn't read right.