Erik Morales has announced he would ideally like to fight 4 tune-up fights to get back in shape then fight any of the lightweight champs.
Also in the same article, Barerra would also like to do the same.
Can they still do it?!
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Erik Morales has announced he would ideally like to fight 4 tune-up fights to get back in shape then fight any of the lightweight champs.
Also in the same article, Barerra would also like to do the same.
Can they still do it?!
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Originally Posted by caleoh12
In a word NO!
I remember reading at artical in The Ring in which Barerra said he wanted to be out of boxing by the time he is 30.
Why cant boxers learn for the mistakes of others from the past.:(
No way!!
They both had amazing careers, they should sit back together and watch their trilogy, pipe in mouth and say to themselves "look what we did, we gave the world one of the best fights ever"
They both have sod all to prove so it must be a cash thing
morales as sad as it is to say it is badly shot, david diaz should have spelt the end really, i can see him being able to beat any of the current 135 champs and hell only harm his legacy
barrera is a little better off i think although he has never fought at 135 before ( i think, i could be wrong), his best chance would be against someone like casa if he beats marquez,
I would hate to see the greatest trilogy in boxing history, IMO, be tarnished by a 4th fight. What made their fights so incredible was the absolute hunger and hatred each had to beat the other person. At this stage of their careers and at their age...there is no way they could rekindle that.
I dont think Barrera is as washed up as others do, h took a young hungry Juarez to school and I think he beat Marquez too, alot of people think Marquez beat Manny, Marco would still be up there, maybe not no1 but top 3 for sure.
The style that Barrera took on, as a counter puncher lends much better to his fighjting now than Erics does.
I have alot of respect for Morales, he is what the term bad embodies, he fought everyone and beat alot of good fighters, he beat Manny the first time they met;D If that was years earlier Manny wouldnt have wanted a rematch, Eric and marco were both very dangerous men.
Also, nothing to do with anything but I reckon, naz in his pomp would have given Manny a big headache, as Manny works in straght lines and gets hit, maybe Hamed would have had a better day at the office with the bull rushing Manny than Barrera, as that is what Hamed was expecting with Barrera, this is where Marco adapted his fighting.
Another thing, Barrera said Hamed surprised him, not with his power but his ability to eat a shot, lokk at Hameds build, he has legs twice the size of anyone else his weight, ots of core strength, he just let the power get the better of him.
To quote the great film Rocky 4, Apollo Creed says,Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaQuote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
In a word NO!
I remember reading at artical in The Ring in which Barerra said he wanted to be out of boxing by the time he is 30.
Why cant boxers learn for the mistakes of others from the past.:(
"We always have to be in the middle of the action 'cause we're the warriors. And without some challenge, without some damn war to fight then the warriors might as well be dead, Stallion."
I think this is what Barerra and Morales, along with all the fighters who fight longer than they should feel too...
I agree with a fair bit of that; but alot of people wont fight Marcos' fight and will have his timing down and we wont get to see him flourish in what he does best. Thats why him and Eric looked so great with each other they felt what was comming at them and shot inbetween the spaces. Like the spaces between music which make for great music instead of just a big noise; same with those great fight match ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Shame about Hamed too, although it wasnt only the ring power that got to him in regards to over commitment and no techinical answers. His ego and his belife in his own power more than the one he was claiming aloud. His actions allowed fate,or the hand of God, to make it Hamed 1 /Fate 1; He wanted ,needed /created his own take down ,so he got it :cool:.
Now I hope he has the balls to look deep into the mirror of self reflection and hopefully learns all the lessons. Rises out of his mistakes. Maybe become great again but for real, for himself and others outside of the ring, its what he really wants ;).
I really dont want Morales to come back,I love the bloke,but im afraid its all over for him,as someone said,if he aint going to win 1 of the alphabets,whats the point?!
You aint lying, the hate they had for each other was real to the bone although I think from personal observation, that Morales hated Barrera a whole lot more from some of the things he would say, one in particular was 'CHINGA TU MADRE' which basicly means, phuk your mother, or go phuk your mother, which is in turn like 'Mother Phuker' but in Spanish it's a lot worse to say it to another Mexican, those my friends are fighting words. It was funny to watch Barrera steal on Morales during a press conference in which they were standing in front of each other and Morales once again used that insult and Barrera hit Morales with a right hand clean on the kisser. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Are they really talking about a 4th meeting? I think even though Barrera is older, I think MAB has more left than EM. but this is just my impression only because EM gave up after 3 rounds against PAC. Morales could have gotten up and there was like 15 seconds left before the bell but he just sat there and said phuk it let me get paid and let me get the phuk out of here, the fact that PAC and EM are friends does not help matters either, kind of like the ODHL/Hopkins fight in which ODLH was hit by his buddy ole' pal and just stayed down. (So I might be getting conned into this)
If both fighters got it on soon and dont go thru all of this 4 fight tune up, we still might have a pretty decent scrap. In a way, I would like to see a 4th fight just to see what happens because they hate each other so much to this very day.
Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...
But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...
But marco is sumin different... ok no secret, my all time fav fighters...
but what stops him being champion now, is not age, but hunger...
his timing isnt what it was, but i thought he beat JMM and his fight with pac was close, both of which he had no real hunger, u seen it in both juarez fights, he was content to just "do enough" something the great barrera never did, he always fought with a purpose...
while the pros and conns debated weather marcos was saving him self or no longer cared, it turned out he just no longer had the hunger...
but if he could, for one more fight get the must win back, there is maybe only pac who could beat him, and i would give him a very good chance over pac
I thought he had a good chance to win against Pac in their rematch. But what always distinguished Marco was that he could switch between brawling and boxing as well as anyone EVER. The last fight that he showed these qualities in was against Marquez. Against Pac in their rematch he fought extremely tentatively throughout. I don't blame him...he probably had their first encounter on his mind...plus Pac's explosiveness and speed requires caution. It's just that he showed almost no energy or fire in that fight...and without that...he isn't Barrera. Is he still an incredibly skilled fighter who could beat a lot of guys out there...sure. But he just doesn't seem to have that hunger and war like attitude to beat a guy like Pac anymore. He has nothing left to prove. He should look at his ultimate rival, Morales, and learn that it's not wise to stick around once you are past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Barrera and Morales were excellent fighters and I couldnt really stand Hamed but now you cant hear his annoying bullshiit when you see what he could do to good fighters when he trained properly it was something:)
If I were a promoter, id get Hamed out of retirement and to a decent trainer like Roach (steward didnt work) and make a rematch between him and Barrera, im sure it would still make money, Barrera would take it knowing he can beat Hamed and given a few stiffs to knock over Hamed would make some interest again and given Barreras decline Hamed might want it, then if he wan you would have Hamed in the mix of todays super feathers/lightweights.
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Originally Posted by ross
Be interesting to see if Barrera could pull off the full nelson to turnbuckle slam again ;D
I say lets see number 4 from the living legends. It will not hurt their legacy and they do still hate each other. Lets see it made, no warm ups.:cool:
Thats exactly how I see it Preme. The commentary we go got scored Barrera as the winner in the pac fight and alot of people thought he beat Marquez so really if he just had better judges then Barrera would be p4p number 1 now . Neither of those guys could drop him or really control him so he isnt as washed up as some people think . I agree its entirely a hunger issue . As you say he never use to do just enough to win but being with Golden boy seemed to give him a business like mind like Oscar . Now he has left that promotional outfit and he is well rested we may see that hunger again cuz its totally how he approaches a fight mentally . I absolutley welcome a comeback from him. He wanted to outbox Marquez , he did it . He wanted simply to cruise through 12 with Pac and he did it . I think if he really wants to fight with passion again then he may be able to do that too cuz its not as if he will be fighting a superstar 1st time out . He says he will make his decision before September anyway but Id love to see him comeback and Id go to the fight too . My favourite fighter ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Morales is a different story . He didnt lose the passion . He lost the physical ability and no longer has it in the legs . He has lost 5 of his last 6 fights and I wouldnt like to see him comeback, not even at the David Diaz level .
haha mad as fuck man, readin all my posts today total mental, don;t remeber shit from last night, had a like 3hour convo with cutmemick in pms lol had to go through them all to see what i spoke about hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEThats exactly how I see it Preme. The commentary we go got scored Barrera as the winner in the pac fight and alot of people thought he beat Marquez so really if he just had better judges then Barrera would be p4p number 1 now . Neither of those guys could drop him or really control him so he isnt as washed up as some people think . I agree its entirely a hunger issue . As you say he never use to do just enough to win but being with Golden boy seemed to give him a business like mind like Oscar . Now he has left that promotional outfit and he is well rested we may see that hunger again cuz its totally how he approaches a fight mentally . I absolutley welcome a comeback from him. He wanted to outbox Marquez , he did it . He wanted simply to cruise through 12 with Pac and he did it . I think if he really wants to fight with passion again then he may be able to do that too cuz its not as if he will be fighting a superstar 1st time out . He says he will make his decision before September anyway but Id love to see him comeback and Id go to the fight too . My favourite fighter ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Morales is a different story . He didnt lose the passion . He lost the physical ability and no longer has it in the legs . He has lost 5 of his last 6 fights and I wouldnt like to see him comeback, not even at the David Diaz level .
I don't want to see either in the ring again. I enjoyed them while they were here but now its time to move on.
Not really sure how much hate there is between them anymore. These pics were taken just 2 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Marco always keeps himself in shape, and I feel he could easily come back into the fold.
But, I fear for Morales coming back. As you can see from these pics, he has put on a lot of weight, and he had a problem with gaining too much weight in between his last couple of bouts as well. I really think it has affected his physical performance, and I would hate to see it deteriorate even more if he came back, and really put himself at risk for getting hurt.
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Originally Posted by Preme
I think you're way off on this one, Morales is one of the truely great featherweights of all time. The reason his career ended when it did was because of all the battles he had in his career, not to mention his style. He constantly battled the best he could in the division, and won.
Pointless. They're both done.
I agree with some of others here i would say Erik Morales is 100 percent washed up but Marco Antonio Barrera is still up there with the top boys lets remember he did own Rocky Juarez who is a good fighter in there 2nd fight and then almost beat Juan Manuel Marquez who is top 5 P4P fighter and then he went on to win atleast 3 or 4 rounds against the best P4P fighter in the world today and these were Marco Antonio Barrera's last 3 fights in no way shape or form is he washed up and i still think Marco Antonio Barrera can offer alot to the sport and if he wants to comeback then why not ?
I personally would want Barrera to continue fighting coz he can still win a fight against any superfeather except Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEThats exactly how I see it Preme. The commentary we go got scored Barrera as the winner in the pac fight and alot of people thought he beat Marquez so really if he just had better judges then Barrera would be p4p number 1 now . Neither of those guys could drop him or really control him so he isnt as washed up as some people think . I agree its entirely a hunger issue . As you say he never use to do just enough to win but being with Golden boy seemed to give him a business like mind like Oscar . Now he has left that promotional outfit and he is well rested we may see that hunger again cuz its totally how he approaches a fight mentally . I absolutley welcome a comeback from him. He wanted to outbox Marquez , he did it . He wanted simply to cruise through 12 with Pac and he did it . I think if he really wants to fight with passion again then he may be able to do that too cuz its not as if he will be fighting a superstar 1st time out . He says he will make his decision before September anyway but Id love to see him comeback and Id go to the fight too . My favourite fighter ever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Preme
Morales is a different story . He didnt lose the passion . He lost the physical ability and no longer has it in the legs . He has lost 5 of his last 6 fights and I wouldnt like to see him comeback, not even at the David Diaz level .
As to his last fight with Manny, it was very clear though that he can't win against Manny just like Eric can't win against Manny. Anyway, Manny is p4p number 1 and he is up there coz he's the best right now in his natural division.Comparing Barrera and Manny, one could simply make an erroneous conclusion that Barrera is already past it. Comparing Barrera to Soto, Guzman and Valero, I,however, believe that he can still do it.:cool: