Morales/Barerra

[ross]

I dont think Barrera is as washed up as others do, h took a young hungry Juarez to school and I think he beat Marquez too, alot of people think Marquez beat Manny, Marco would still be up there, maybe not no1 but top 3 for sure.

The style that Barrera took on, as a counter puncher lends much better to his fighjting now than Erics does.

I have alot of respect for Morales, he is what the term bad embodies, he fought everyone and beat alot of good fighters, he beat Manny the first time they met If that was years earlier Manny wouldnt have wanted a rematch, Eric and marco were both very dangerous men.

Also, nothing to do with anything but I reckon, naz in his pomp would have given Manny a big headache, as Manny works in straght lines and gets hit, maybe Hamed would have had a better day at the office with the bull rushing Manny than Barrera, as that is what Hamed was expecting with Barrera, this is where Marco adapted his fighting.

Another thing, Barrera said Hamed surprised him, not with his power but his ability to eat a shot, lokk at Hameds build, he has legs twice the size of anyone else his weight, ots of core strength, he just let the power get the better of him.

[C-Lo]

Erik Morales has announced he would ideally like to fight 4 tune-up fights to get back in shape then fight any of the lightweight champs.

Also in the same article, Barerra would also like to do the same.

Can they still do it?!

In a word NO!


I remember reading at artical in The Ring in which Barerra said he wanted to be out of boxing by the time he is 30.


Why cant boxers learn for the mistakes of others from the past.

To quote the great film Rocky 4, Apollo Creed says,

"We always have to be in the middle of the action 'cause we're the warriors. And without some challenge, without some damn war to fight then the warriors might as well be dead, Stallion."

I think this is what Barerra and Morales, along with all the fighters who fight longer than they should feel too...

[Andre]

I dont think Barrera is as washed up as others do, h took a young hungry Juarez to school and I think he beat Marquez too, alot of people think Marquez beat Manny, Marco would still be up there, maybe not no1 but top 3 for sure.

The style that Barrera took on, as a counter puncher lends much better to his fighjting now than Erics does.

I have alot of respect for Morales, he is what the term bad embodies, he fought everyone and beat alot of good fighters, he beat Manny the first time they met If that was years earlier Manny wouldnt have wanted a rematch, Eric and marco were both very dangerous men.

Also, nothing to do with anything but I reckon, naz in his pomp would have given Manny a big headache, as Manny works in straght lines and gets hit, maybe Hamed would have had a better day at the office with the bull rushing Manny than Barrera, as that is what Hamed was expecting with Barrera, this is where Marco adapted his fighting.

Another thing, Barrera said Hamed surprised him, not with his power but his ability to eat a shot, lokk at Hameds build, he has legs twice the size of anyone else his weight, ots of core strength, he just let the power get the better of him.

I agree with a fair bit of that; but alot of people wont fight Marcos' fight and will have his timing down and we wont get to see him flourish in what he does best. Thats why him and Eric looked so great with each other they felt what was comming at them and shot inbetween the spaces. Like the spaces between music which make for great music instead of just a big noise; same with those great fight match ups.

Shame about Hamed too, although it wasnt only the ring power that got to him in regards to over commitment and no techinical answers. His ego and his belife in his own power more than the one he was claiming aloud. His actions allowed fate,or the hand of God, to make it Hamed 1 /Fate 1; He wanted ,needed /created his own take down ,so he got it .

Now I hope he has the balls to look deep into the mirror of self reflection and hopefully learns all the lessons. Rises out of his mistakes. Maybe become great again but for real, for himself and others outside of the ring, its what he really wants .

[njackets]

I really dont want Morales to come back,I love the bloke,but im afraid its all over for him,as someone said,if he aint going to win 1 of the alphabets,whats the point?!

[Preme]

Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...

But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...

But marco is sumin different... ok no secret, my all time fav fighters...

but what stops him being champion now, is not age, but hunger...

his timing isnt what it was, but i thought he beat JMM and his fight with pac was close, both of which he had no real hunger, u seen it in both juarez fights, he was content to just "do enough" something the great barrera never did, he always fought with a purpose...

while the pros and conns debated weather marcos was saving him self or no longer cared, it turned out he just no longer had the hunger...

but if he could, for one more fight get the must win back, there is maybe only pac who could beat him, and i would give him a very good chance over pac

[zhubin]

Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...

But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...

But marco is sumin different... ok no secret, my all time fav fighters...

but what stops him being champion now, is not age, but hunger...

his timing isnt what it was, but i thought he beat JMM and his fight with pac was close, both of which he had no real hunger, u seen it in both juarez fights, he was content to just "do enough" something the great barrera never did, he always fought with a purpose...

while the pros and conns debated weather marcos was saving him self or no longer cared, it turned out he just no longer had the hunger...

but if he could, for one more fight get the must win back, there is maybe only pac who could beat him, and i would give him a very good chance over pac

I thought he had a good chance to win against Pac in their rematch. But what always distinguished Marco was that he could switch between brawling and boxing as well as anyone EVER. The last fight that he showed these qualities in was against Marquez. Against Pac in their rematch he fought extremely tentatively throughout. I don't blame him...he probably had their first encounter on his mind...plus Pac's explosiveness and speed requires caution. It's just that he showed almost no energy or fire in that fight...and without that...he isn't Barrera. Is he still an incredibly skilled fighter who could beat a lot of guys out there...sure. But he just doesn't seem to have that hunger and war like attitude to beat a guy like Pac anymore. He has nothing left to prove. He should look at his ultimate rival, Morales, and learn that it's not wise to stick around once you are past it.

[ross]

Barrera and Morales were excellent fighters and I couldnt really stand Hamed but now you cant hear his annoying bullshiit when you see what he could do to good fighters when he trained properly it was something

If I were a promoter, id get Hamed out of retirement and to a decent trainer like Roach (steward didnt work) and make a rematch between him and Barrera, im sure it would still make money, Barrera would take it knowing he can beat Hamed and given a few stiffs to knock over Hamed would make some interest again and given Barreras decline Hamed might want it, then if he wan you would have Hamed in the mix of todays super feathers/lightweights.

[killersheep]

Barrera and Morales were excellent fighters and I couldnt really stand Hamed but now you cant hear his annoying bullshiit when you see what he could do to good fighters when he trained properly it was something

If I were a promoter, id get Hamed out of retirement and to a decent trainer like Roach (steward didnt work) and make a rematch between him and Barrera, im sure it would still make money, Barrera would take it knowing he can beat Hamed and given a few stiffs to knock over Hamed would make some interest again and given Barreras decline Hamed might want it, then if he wan you would have Hamed in the mix of todays super feathers/lightweights.

Be interesting to see if Barrera could pull off the full nelson to turnbuckle slam again

[GAME]

Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...

But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...

But marco is sumin different... ok no secret, my all time fav fighters...

but what stops him being champion now, is not age, but hunger...

his timing isnt what it was, but i thought he beat JMM and his fight with pac was close, both of which he had no real hunger, u seen it in both juarez fights, he was content to just "do enough" something the great barrera never did, he always fought with a purpose...

while the pros and conns debated weather marcos was saving him self or no longer cared, it turned out he just no longer had the hunger...

but if he could, for one more fight get the must win back, there is maybe only pac who could beat him, and i would give him a very good chance over pac

Thats exactly how I see it Preme. The commentary we go got scored Barrera as the winner in the pac fight and alot of people thought he beat Marquez so really if he just had better judges then Barrera would be p4p number 1 now . Neither of those guys could drop him or really control him so he isnt as washed up as some people think . I agree its entirely a hunger issue . As you say he never use to do just enough to win but being with Golden boy seemed to give him a business like mind like Oscar . Now he has left that promotional outfit and he is well rested we may see that hunger again cuz its totally how he approaches a fight mentally . I absolutley welcome a comeback from him. He wanted to outbox Marquez , he did it . He wanted simply to cruise through 12 with Pac and he did it . I think if he really wants to fight with passion again then he may be able to do that too cuz its not as if he will be fighting a superstar 1st time out . He says he will make his decision before September anyway but Id love to see him comeback and Id go to the fight too . My favourite fighter ever!

Morales is a different story . He didnt lose the passion . He lost the physical ability and no longer has it in the legs . He has lost 5 of his last 6 fights and I wouldnt like to see him comeback, not even at the David Diaz level .

[Preme]

Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...

But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...

But marco is sumin different... ok no secret, my all time fav fighters...

but what stops him being champion now, is not age, but hunger...

his timing isnt what it was, but i thought he beat JMM and his fight with pac was close, both of which he had no real hunger, u seen it in both juarez fights, he was content to just "do enough" something the great barrera never did, he always fought with a purpose...

while the pros and conns debated weather marcos was saving him self or no longer cared, it turned out he just no longer had the hunger...

but if he could, for one more fight get the must win back, there is maybe only pac who could beat him, and i would give him a very good chance over pac

Thats exactly how I see it Preme. The commentary we go got scored Barrera as the winner in the pac fight and alot of people thought he beat Marquez so really if he just had better judges then Barrera would be p4p number 1 now . Neither of those guys could drop him or really control him so he isnt as washed up as some people think . I agree its entirely a hunger issue . As you say he never use to do just enough to win but being with Golden boy seemed to give him a business like mind like Oscar . Now he has left that promotional outfit and he is well rested we may see that hunger again cuz its totally how he approaches a fight mentally . I absolutley welcome a comeback from him. He wanted to outbox Marquez , he did it . He wanted simply to cruise through 12 with Pac and he did it . I think if he really wants to fight with passion again then he may be able to do that too cuz its not as if he will be fighting a superstar 1st time out . He says he will make his decision before September anyway but Id love to see him comeback and Id go to the fight too . My favourite fighter ever!

Morales is a different story . He didnt lose the passion . He lost the physical ability and no longer has it in the legs . He has lost 5 of his last 6 fights and I wouldnt like to see him comeback, not even at the David Diaz level .

haha mad as fuck man, readin all my posts today total mental, don;t remeber shit from last night, had a like 3hour convo with cutmemick in pms lol had to go through them all to see what i spoke about haha

[rjj tszyu]

I don't want to see either in the ring again. I enjoyed them while they were here but now its time to move on.

[brucelee]

Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...

But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...

But marco is sumin different... ok no secret, my all time fav fighters...

but what stops him being champion now, is not age, but hunger...

his timing isnt what it was, but i thought he beat JMM and his fight with pac was close, both of which he had no real hunger, u seen it in both juarez fights, he was content to just "do enough" something the great barrera never did, he always fought with a purpose...

while the pros and conns debated weather marcos was saving him self or no longer cared, it turned out he just no longer had the hunger...

but if he could, for one more fight get the must win back, there is maybe only pac who could beat him, and i would give him a very good chance over pac

Thats exactly how I see it Preme. The commentary we go got scored Barrera as the winner in the pac fight and alot of people thought he beat Marquez so really if he just had better judges then Barrera would be p4p number 1 now . Neither of those guys could drop him or really control him so he isnt as washed up as some people think . I agree its entirely a hunger issue . As you say he never use to do just enough to win but being with Golden boy seemed to give him a business like mind like Oscar . Now he has left that promotional outfit and he is well rested we may see that hunger again cuz its totally how he approaches a fight mentally . I absolutley welcome a comeback from him. He wanted to outbox Marquez , he did it . He wanted simply to cruise through 12 with Pac and he did it . I think if he really wants to fight with passion again then he may be able to do that too cuz its not as if he will be fighting a superstar 1st time out . He says he will make his decision before September anyway but Id love to see him comeback and Id go to the fight too . My favourite fighter ever!

Morales is a different story . He didnt lose the passion . He lost the physical ability and no longer has it in the legs . He has lost 5 of his last 6 fights and I wouldnt like to see him comeback, not even at the David Diaz level .

I personally would want Barrera to continue fighting coz he can still win a fight against any superfeather except Manny.

As to his last fight with Manny, it was very clear though that he can't win against Manny just like Eric can't win against Manny. Anyway, Manny is p4p number 1 and he is up there coz he's the best right now in his natural division.Comparing Barrera and Manny, one could simply make an erroneous conclusion that Barrera is already past it. Comparing Barrera to Soto, Guzman and Valero, I,however, believe that he can still do it.

[the wiz]

Morles is 100% washed up... he can still fight and beat second rate fighters like david diaz whom he was screwed against...

But to me this is why erik will never been a true great, he became shot to early... true ATG don;t do that...

I think you're way off on this one, Morales is one of the truely great featherweights of all time. The reason his career ended when it did was because of all the battles he had in his career, not to mention his style. He constantly battled the best he could in the division, and won.