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just imagin if Cazaghe beats RJJ, Pavlik and then defeats the winner off Tarver/Dawson...
Wow surly then there can be no doubting this guy...
Joe Calzaghe is slowing down and his punches are becoming less and less effective, although it would be amazing to see Calzaghe vs Pavlik/Dawson or Tarver it would also be a silly and greedy move. I just can't see Calzaghe staying undefeated against Dawson or Pavlik, Chad Dawson is like the modern day version of Herol Graham and Kelly Pavlik is like the modern day version of Carlos Monzon.
u cant compare lacy or kessler to pavlik at this point
why not wiv kessler, kessler would UD him in my opinion
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Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Is it me or have boxing fans become more stupid since Pavlik hit the scene?
funnily enough i watched Calzaghe v Eubank the other night and JC had him in a bad way a few times in that fight, he had some decent power back then... if calzaghe hands had stood up through out his carrer, he could of prolonged it for a few more fights...
y pavlik fans gotta be stupid were just fans man dont get mad cause hes gonna be the next big thing in boxing after a few more big wins and especially after he kos bhop
He didn't look good against Hopkins but who does? When Calzaghe beats Pavlik I'm sure that we'll hear that Pavlik is actually a one-dimensional limited fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
calzaghe wont fight pavlik anyway so y even bring it up calzaghe turned it down now its up to jones to beat him and jones is a boxing veteran we will just have to wait until november
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Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Heard that all before "next big thing" it seems every power puncher have a die-hard core of fans that just want to bash every great fighter in and around their weight.
The Hopkins fight is going to shock most of Pavliks fans. Infact the only people that dont see this as a bit of a pick-em are Kellys die-hards.
I think Kelly Pavlik is much more dangerous than Jeff Lacy was. I had seen a few of Jeff Lacy's fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, and he looked like an average fighter against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, and he had never faced an elite fighter like Kelly Pavlik has. If Joe Calzaghe beat Kelly Pavlik i would give him all the credit in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHe didn't look good against Hopkins but who does? When Calzaghe beats Pavlik I'm sure that we'll hear that Pavlik is actually a one-dimensional limited fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
But then there would be a NEW young guy Calzaghe MUST beat. That's what happens with older fighters, Ice, there's always a new kid on the block - currently Pavlik.. before him Kessler.. before him Lacy.. we only learned (accept for the majority) the TRUTH about these guys after Calzaghe smashed them ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think Kelly Pavlik is much more dangerous than Jeff Lacy was. I had seen a few of Jeff Lacy's fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, and he looked like an average fighter against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, and he had never faced an elite fighter like Kelly Pavlik has. If Joe Calzaghe beat Kelly Pavlik i would give him all the credit in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHe didn't look good against Hopkins but who does? When Calzaghe beats Pavlik I'm sure that we'll hear that Pavlik is actually a one-dimensional limited fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
So true Fenster, people before the Kessler fight was made and Calzaghe was making noises about fighting the likes of Hopkins RJJ and Tarver people were slating him saying he is ducking Kessler he needs to fight him before anyone else, theres always going to be the new guy like you say. If he wins and beats Pavlik whats the odds this time next year it will be Calzaghe should be fighting Dawson blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBut then there would be a NEW young guy Calzaghe MUST beat. That's what happens with older fighters, Ice, there's always a new kid on the block - currently Pavlik.. before him Kessler.. before him Lacy.. we only learned (accept for the majority) the TRUTH about these guys after Calzaghe smashed them ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think Kelly Pavlik is much more dangerous than Jeff Lacy was. I had seen a few of Jeff Lacy's fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, and he looked like an average fighter against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, and he had never faced an elite fighter like Kelly Pavlik has. If Joe Calzaghe beat Kelly Pavlik i would give him all the credit in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Well to be honest i give him credit for the Mikkel Kessler win because Mikkel Kessler was a proven good fighter. But i don't really give him credit for the Jeff Lacy win because i never really thought much of Jeff Lacy, but if i was in Joe Calzaghe's shoes i would retire after the RJJ fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBut then there would be a NEW young guy Calzaghe MUST beat. That's what happens with older fighters, Ice, there's always a new kid on the block - currently Pavlik.. before him Kessler.. before him Lacy.. we only learned (accept for the majority) the TRUTH about these guys after Calzaghe smashed them ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think Kelly Pavlik is much more dangerous than Jeff Lacy was. I had seen a few of Jeff Lacy's fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, and he looked like an average fighter against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, and he had never faced an elite fighter like Kelly Pavlik has. If Joe Calzaghe beat Kelly Pavlik i would give him all the credit in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And you know you said theres always another new kid on the block ? well i think your answer right there is Chad Dawson. If he beats Antonio Tarver which i think he will, you can bet your life savings that fans will be demanding a Chad Dawson vs Joe Calzaghe showdown.
I agree that Pavlik is better than Lacy and he's a better boxer than he's given credit for but I still think Joe will beat him. Then we'll hear how he wasn't really that good after all and Calzaghe still hasn't fought anybody really good etc. etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI think Kelly Pavlik is much more dangerous than Jeff Lacy was. I had seen a few of Jeff Lacy's fights before the Joe Calzaghe fight, and he looked like an average fighter against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, and he had never faced an elite fighter like Kelly Pavlik has. If Joe Calzaghe beat Kelly Pavlik i would give him all the credit in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingHe didn't look good against Hopkins but who does? When Calzaghe beats Pavlik I'm sure that we'll hear that Pavlik is actually a one-dimensional limited fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
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Originally Posted by skel1983So true Fenster, people before the Kessler fight was made and Calzaghe was making noises about fighting the likes of Hopkins RJJ and Tarver people were slating him saying he is ducking Kessler he needs to fight him before anyone else, theres always going to be the new guy like you say. If he wins and beats Pavlik whats the odds this time next year it will be Calzaghe should be fighting Dawson blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBut then there would be a NEW young guy Calzaghe MUST beat. That's what happens with older fighters, Ice, there's always a new kid on the block - currently Pavlik.. before him Kessler.. before him Lacy.. we only learned (accept for the majority) the TRUTH about these guys after Calzaghe smashed them ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
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Originally Posted by ICB
There you go.. ;D
Screw being undefeated. It's means nothing if you fought inferior opponents most of your career. Even if you get 1 or 2 losses by facing the best, it still means more than that big fat goose egg. Fight 3 or 4 more then retire.
I still think a Pavlik fight would be the ultimate seal upon Calzaghes career. Pavlik will have beaten Taylor and Hopkins (I guess). Pavlik is young and rated by many and has height, range and power that could potentially cause Calzaghe some problems. If Calzaghe can see him off then it caps his career off perfectly.
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Originally Posted by miles
This.
After Pavlik there would be no-one else and no-one could doubt Calzaghe his legay or career.
Can't see Calzaghe fighting Pavlik but if he does brilliant i think he will have his hands full with Jones if he fights anything like he did vs Hopkins he gets beat. Im not a Calzaghe fan in fact im a hater really but if he beats Jones perhaps he should retire because just say he does beat Pavlik their will always be somebody to beat samething with Mayweather if he had fought and beat Cotto then people would say fight Magarito,Williams and so on a fighter should get out when he feels its time.
I really hope Calzaghe gets to fight Pavlik
But I know that still wont be enough for some people,
Pavlik is a good fighter and may become great but if Calzaghe still has it in the tank (and at the moment i think he does) then Pavlik is made for him and gets taken to school
Calzaghe by wide UD
I actually think RJJ is a bigger risk
It seems to me as if Joe is trying to talk himself out of a Pavlik fight.
It seems as if part of him says retire undefeated but the devil/champion in him wants to prove to all the doubters that he is the No1 in the world and one of the greatest fighters of his time.
The pavlik fight is career defining. JC needs if he beats him then he really is one of the greatest of all time. If he fight him there will always be that what if scenrio, I hope they do fight to be honest.
just imagin if Hopkins beats pavlik, it will put an end to all this...
i give bhop a better chance than most
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Originally Posted by sonny78
Due to Pavliks style he has virtually zero chance against Calzaghe. I too agree Roy will be a tougher fight, guys that plow foward to Calzaghe have no chance and run the risk of really taking a career hurting beating.
You keep saying this but your wrong Robin Reid fought on the backfoot against Calzaghe, and was getting beat until he decided to come forward and take the fight to Calzaghe. Thats when the fight turned around now if Robin Reid can have success coming forward against Calzaghe, then im sure Pavlik can against an older version of Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Due to Pavliks style he has virtually zero chance against Calzaghe. I too agree Roy will be a tougher fight, guys that plow foward to Calzaghe have no chance and run the risk of really taking a career hurting beating.
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Originally Posted by ICBYou keep saying this but your wrong Robin Reid fought on the backfoot against Calzaghe, and was getting beat until he decided to come forward and take the fight to Calzaghe. Thats when the fight turned around now if Robin Reid can have success coming forward against Calzaghe, then im sure Pavlik can against an older version of Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Due to Pavliks style he has virtually zero chance against Calzaghe. I too agree Roy will be a tougher fight, guys that plow foward to Calzaghe have no chance and run the risk of really taking a career hurting beating.
Calzaghe is a far better fighter now. That was the last time he had any trouble with a guy coming at him and that was 10yrs ago.
I know Joe will school Pavlik and i for one pray he has one more fight left in his after Jones.
I wouldn't say Calzaghe is a better fighter, he is a smarter fighter but alot of his attributes have declined since then. His combo's aren't as good, his power has completely gone, and his speed has declined plus his age. Infact i think Calzaghe is a fighter on the downslide IMO, and one last thing Sakio Bika also gave Calzaghe trouble and he come forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBYou keep saying this but your wrong Robin Reid fought on the backfoot against Calzaghe, and was getting beat until he decided to come forward and take the fight to Calzaghe. Thats when the fight turned around now if Robin Reid can have success coming forward against Calzaghe, then im sure Pavlik can against an older version of Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Calzaghe is a far better fighter now. That was the last time he had any trouble with a guy coming at him and that was 10yrs ago.
I know Joe will school Pavlik and i for one pray he has one more fight left in his after Jones.
If they both win their next fights then they'll definitely fight. It's always about the money and when Joe says something like this or Pavlik says something about shooting Joe in the leg to stop him running away from fighting him it's all just hype to build up any future fight between them.
I really hope cCValzaghe fightyt Pavloik inn his next bout becuasee trher is thr only fight Calzaghr needs ot have and it wouls siullence all doutvers.
Are you pissed ;DQuote:
I really hope cCValzaghe fightyt Pavloik inn his next bout becuasee trher is thr only fight Calzaghr needs ot have and it wouls siullence all doutvers.
I dont mean the comment I agree, just the spelling.
As piisd as a parot.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonny78
Quite