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I'll start if you know me at all you know my favorite fighter is Jhonny Gonzalez. In all the time I've been following him I've only once been dissapointed in his performance. That one time was against Montiel.
Although I thought Gonzalez clearly was ahead at the end of the fight, it was clear that neither guy was willing to put anything behind any punches. It was a very lackluster performance by two fighters that have amazing ability.
The way Hopkins fought Taylor the first time didn't impress me. He was too eager to make Taylor miss that he wasn't getting any offense of his own together,His gameplan to wait till Taylor got tired then take him out was a bad gameplan and it backfired. He did do well in the late rounds but it wasn't enough to get him a draw on the judges scorecards let alone a win. I personally don't know anyone that could have Hopkins winning that fight.... He at most deserved a draw.
Nigel Benn in his fights with Steve Colins.Seemed to lack the heart and fire in both fights.
Steve Robinson against Naz.Cant blame Robo because we did not know how good Naz was at that stage.
Hatton against Mayweather.I got caught up in all the hype and thought ricky was going to win.Be truth be told it was not even close.
Lets go for the Spinks trifecta
Taylor-Spinks
Holmes-Spinks
Ali-Spinks1
Arguello vs. Fernandez I - Talk about a shitty performance.
Sanchez vs. Ford - A porr showing IMO of Sanchez vs. someone he should have clearly beaten.
Foster vs. Folley - Foster was just badly outboxed.
Napoles vs. Muniz I - Napoles needed Sulaimans help here and he looked horrible in this one.
Eubanks vs. Collins - I think he fought well at times but I also think he could have done much more then what he showed.
JCC vs. Cabrera - Sure JCC completely dominated him but Cabrera was there for the taking.
Duran vs. Laing - WTF was that?
Morales vs. Zahir - Did Erik have any other plan besides looking for big punches?
Olivares vs. Hafey I & II - Poor showings by "El Puas" though on the decline he could have done a lot more.
ODLH vs. PBF - Not the night of the jab? WTF?
Kats vs. Diaz - Really dissapointed in Kats, he completely fought the wrong fight.
I disagree about Salvador Sanchez vs Patrick Ford say what you want about Ford, but he was tall and had a good jab, his height and reached bothered Sanchez and Sanchez struggled in the early rounds. But he comeback strong like a true champion in the later rounds, and showed his class i think it was a good performance personally, because he was losing and showed he could comeback from losing and adapt.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Calzaghe against Hopkins.
Ali against Holmes.
Barerra against Pac-man.
Hatton against Mayweather.
Tyson against Holyfield.
Tyson against Lewis.
To name a few.
Hopkins has diapointed me in all his fight since fighting ODLH apart from the tarver fight in which tarver never fought at all.
And I disagree with you, having just soundly beat Lopez 2 times and outboxed Chucho Castillo, he should have soundly beat Ford with ease. Instead he was still half asleep half way through the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI disagree about Salvador Sanchez vs Patrick Ford say what you want about Ford, but he was tall and had a good jab, his height and reached bothered Sanchez and Sanchez struggled in the early rounds. But he comeback strong like a true champion in the later rounds, and showed his class i think it was a good performance personally, because he was losing and showed he could comeback from losing and adapt.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
The one judge who had an obscene score was from Sanchez hometown of Santiago Tianguistenco in the Ring Mag. volume for that time they talk about this and how the judge was set up.
I'm not saying Sanchez lost the fight but I'm saying his follow up performance was shit.
The samy way I think Hattons follow up performances have been having beat Tszyu.
Sanchez having just beat Lopez was dissapoiting in this fight.
He did comeback, and that says it all he cameback from somewhere where he shouldn't have been.
[hopkins] and calzaghe
[taylor] and wright
[roy jones] and tarver 3
[roy jones] and glen johnson
Toney-Jones. At the time, Toney was probably my second favorite fighter. I didn't know who this kid was trash-talking my boy, but he was supposed to get murdered when they fought.
Lacy-Calzaghe. Lacy was just scissoring through guys and I was hyped for him to take on whoever this Calzaghe guy was. I'm just glad I was smart enough to keep my trap shut as I'd never seen Calzaghe before. I just sat in stunned silence as I wasn't even able to interpret anything Lacy did as winning any aspect of that fight.
Tyson-Douglas/Holyfield I. Tyson could be extremely lazy when he wanted to be and when faced with an opponent who was supposed to lose he didn't do the right thing in training camp. I suspect he did it many times and most times the other guy didn't rise to the occasion.
Lewis-Rahman I. Looking at Rahman now, can anyone believe he was ever able to beat Lennox?
Holyfield-Moorer I & Holyfield-Bowe III. 'Nuff said.
Diaz-Campbell. I thoroughly believed Juan Diaz was unbeatable in the lightweight division. It took a guy who had the intangibles in spades to show how wrong I was.
Anyone who fought Antonio Tarver except Glen Johnson.
James Toney, actually its hard to pick just one.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickAnd I disagree with you, having just soundly beat Lopez 2 times and outboxed Chucho Castillo, he should have soundly beat Ford with ease. Instead he was still half asleep half way through the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI disagree about Salvador Sanchez vs Patrick Ford say what you want about Ford, but he was tall and had a good jab, his height and reached bothered Sanchez and Sanchez struggled in the early rounds. But he comeback strong like a true champion in the later rounds, and showed his class i think it was a good performance personally, because he was losing and showed he could comeback from losing and adapt.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
The one judge who had an obscene score was from Sanchez hometown of Santiago Tianguistenco in the Ring Mag. volume for that time they talk about this and how the judge was set up.
I'm not saying Sanchez lost the fight but I'm saying his follow up performance was shit.
The samy way I think Hattons follow up performances have been having beat Tszyu.
Sanchez having just beat Lopez was dissapoiting in this fight.
He did comeback, and that says it all he cameback from somewhere where he shouldn't have been.
Styles make fights Danny Lopez was a come forward bomber which played into Salvador Sanchez who was a counter puncher. Ruben Castillo used good movement and boxed well, but again he didn't have Ford's height or reach, remember Ford had 4 inch height advantage and 6 inch reach advantage..........
And he used his physical attributes very well and i thought he fought very smart fight, not allowing Sanchez to get inside and kept the fight at long range with his jab. Ford may have not achieved much in his career but that night he fought very well and Sanchez took him lightly, but Sanchez's legendary stamina once again come into play and he won majority of the later rounds winning by 2 rounds IMO.
I just think it was down to a bad style match up and Sanchez taking him lightly, but every great figher has atleast one fight where they struggle against lesser opposition. But Sanchez didn't disappoint me in that fight and i don't think it was a bad performance personally, but thats just my opinion may im bit biased because Sanchez is one of my favorites.
Not my favorite fighter, but one of them:
Winky - Taylor: While I though, and still think, that Winky won the fight, and that overall he fought a great fight, he should've done something in the last round to seal it. I still think at worst the 12th was a draw (no fucking way did Taylor win it), but he should've come out fighting instead of doing as little (or slightly more) than Taylor did.
Wladimir vs: Sanders, Brewster I, Williamson, and Sultan
Cotto vs Corley....vs Margarito there was nothing else he could have done
Andy Lee vs Brian Vera
Jermain Taylor vs: Wright, Ouma, Spinks, and Pavlik II
I see a lot of people listed fights where a guy got caught and KOd. I don't think you should be disappointed in that. A man goes out and gives it his all, and I think thats all you can expect a fighter to do.
James Toney vs Tiberi - Toney showed up in terrible condition and got one of the biggest gifts of all time.
Roy Jones/Tarver 3 - To me there is no shame in getting caught and KOd, it can happen to anyone. But there is shame in fighting just to survive like Roy did against Tarver in the 3rd fight. It broke my heart to see one of my favorite fighters, old as he may be, fight like a punk against a good but limited fighter in Tarver.
Yeah that Roy Tarver rubber match was extremely dissapointing, especially with hinsight knowing Tarver was basically there for the taking. All you need to do is watch the 5th round and it's clear as day who the better fighter was, but Roy just didn't do ANYTHING after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
azumah nelson-james leija 2- i didn't like that nelson gave excuses instead of just accepting the loss
Hagler vs Leonard. If he would have pressed from the beginning and not fooled around and literally given away 3 or 4 rounds, he would have stopped Leonard or at least outpointed him. A stupid fight from my favorite fighter.
One that kills me,yelling at the TV kills me, was Hopkins vs. Taylor 1.Its been mentioned but that fight just pissed me off with Hopkins taking so much for granted it would appear and not selling out for the late stoppage when Taylor was catching harsh effective righthands.All respect to Taylor,fought with big dicapline and effective game plan.......but I think Hopkins could have inflicted some serious damage,possibly a TKO very late :-X.
Winky against Hopkins. I thought that Winky did enough to win it, but shitty refs and a bad cut didn;t help. Winky just didn't look hungry.
Winky is one of my favorites but all of those krispy kremes has definately taken away the hunger.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxer
Tyson v Holyfield (after 6 rounds), Lennox, Williams and Mcneely.
Haye v Ismail Abdoul
Holyfield v Moorer
Trinidad vs Wright That fight literally made me sick to my stomach.
Tua vs Lewis It wasn't really his fault but I thought Tua could've done better on that one.
ODLH Vs Tito- I actually had him winning but he should have made sure and not got on his bike!
David Haye Vs Carl Thompson- WTF happened to the next Heavyweight champion of the world that night?
SRL Vs Kevin Howard- I know he hadn't fought for 2 years but it was a bad performance by the sugar man.
RJJ Vs Antonio Tarver II- The night I realised no man was invincible.
ODLH vs. mayweather i dont think oscar was fightin his usual style...he barely threw any jabs idk i didnt lik it
I realised that on hearing, then seeing, Douglas had knocked out Tyson. (well it helped me realise.. i made excuses for Tyson for years after until Holyfield put the nail in the coffin)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
Jones getting ko'd was a big shock though, never thought i'd see that.
I don't have a favorite guy but the one that i like that frustrates me the most is rocky juarez, shit pick any fight win or loose he's in the guy just drives me crazy....i sit in my living room yelling " God dammit rocky throw punches, throw punches.....
Calzaghe.
in the fight with Hopkins earlier this year.It was a crap fight!I think Calzaghe is great and i love watching him,but that fight was a total stinker:p
Tyson-vs-Holyfield I and II
Katsidis-vs-Casamayor
Klitschko-vs-Sanders and Brewster I
Trinidad-vs-Wright
Lennx Lewis in the 1st Rahman bout...Coming in to SA knowing there is a altitude difference for one and not coming in time to adjust..but more importantly...not training for the fight and opting to shoot a movie......
Just could not believe he was soo arrogant and ended up with an L to that bum to follow him throughout time
Margarito vs WilliamsQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Margarito had Williams timed the whole night, but spent more time using his defense and catching pitter patter punches that SCORE legitimate points on the scorecards.
"cool click" heh Great thread.
ponce de leon vs. juana ma lopez
cintron vs. margarito 2
casayamor vs. jmm & jose armondo santa cruz]
could name more but i be here all day
James Toney was rubbish in the Tiberi fight. I like Toney but he was outworked badly in that one and lost by atleast 5 rounds, this isn't the first time Toney underestimated an opponent and got a gift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Some semi recent ones:
Calderon vs Barrera (Ivan just wasn't at his best)
Campbell vs Peden 2 (He was pretty much dominating the 1st fight until that one stupid moment, but in the rematch Nate was just horrible)
Darchinyan vs Donaire (need I say more)
Julio Diaz vs Juan Diaz (He just didn't do what I thought he could do)
Martin Castillo vs fernando Montiel (Who thought Castillo was that far gone?)
Rafael Marquez vs Ricardo Vargas (A fight Rafa made harder than it should have been)
Katsidis vs Juan Diaz (Katsidis had no answers)
Guzman vs Joe Morales (Guzman got more than he bargined for)
Theres a heap more but those are some of the main ones of recent times!
Naz when he fought Barrera because if he hadn't fooooked about and trained hard like anyone would for there biggest fight he would have won he shouldn't have just relied on his power.
Being a big James Toney fan there is so many times that I have been ticked off at him for not coming into a fight in shape or the steriod issues or just taking someone to lightly. With all that he still remains in my top fighters list though.
Up until that day I was a naive youngster who thought Hamed was undefeatable and would destroy Barrera.Quote:
Originally Posted by tysonbruno
How Barerra schooled him
Everytime Manfredo steps onto the world stage against world class...
Katsidis vs Diaz(all the credit to Diaz... Great strategy)
Gatti vs Mayweather(Gatti was clearly past it but Gatti fans are like redsox fans... Hope is always alive)
Gatti vs Baldo(same thing)
Gatti vs Gomez(tore my heart out!)
Hopkins loss to JC(knew it was coming but his inactivity in the later rounds killed me cuz he could have done it.)
Steve Forbes vs Andre Berto(I knew what the outcome was going to be but Steve's output really diappointed me... He fights like he's a sparing partner)
Margarito vs Williams(nuff said)
Roy Jones vs Tarver (every one)
Hopkins Taylor 1 and 2,you can make a case he won both fights,but he should have owned him
Ali-Holmes-He was so obviously spent in that fight
Cobb-Holmes-I still expected Holmes to win,but for some reason I allways liked Cobb,maybe its because he dropped so many hilarious one liners
Manfreddy-Mayweather-Andgel just couldnt find a way to close the reach gap
Ali-Wepner-Ali toyed with his food,and gave a club fighter a chance he really didnt deserve
Hilton -Oulette-I know he won it on a late KO,but he had him seriously hurt early and never pressed that advantage