Joes nuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK0iBU9QRgw
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Joes nuts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK0iBU9QRgw
joe must've been fighting peter manfredo while the pavlik/taylor 1 fight was on TV..Quote:
Originally Posted by CountryBoy
It wont matter if they fight anyway cause Joe hasnt got the power.
Joe also said, in a video interview that someone posted yesterday, that he has only gone after the BIG names the last 15 years; but then 60 seconds later went on to say how he was calling out Pavlik to fight him at SMW before Kelly had even fought Bronco McKart or Zertuche at 160, lol.
How was Kelly Pavlik a BIG name in mid 2006; at 160 or much less 168? No one even took notice of Pavlik until he blitzed Miranda out, then Taylor. LMAO; talk about contradicting yourself;D
With that said; I think Joe beats Pavlik. Taylor gave Pavlik some trouble in their second fight by boxing smarter; and Joe moves better and mixes his punches up better; and doesn't gas out like Taylor does. Pavlik IMO is most dangerous once he gets you tired and backing more to the ropes; Joe won't get caught there. And I think Joe's chin is better than many believe. But if Joe thinks his slappy punches will hurt Pavlik he's delusional. He'll win a decision at best.
joe aint gonna win no UD cause he wont make it to round 9
Pavlic took a lot of flush hard shots from Taylor to go down for what was only a second and he was fine after, weak chin my arse.
Does Joe have a weak chin coz Hopkins floored him? from a single shot might I add?
If your gonna bitch about Pav, sign a contract to fight man and stop fucking about.
...and joe has a weak punch, so the fight would be even.
Pavlik chin is pretty good, even though Taylor put him down and had hurt for almost the rest of the round (R2 of the first fight) he showed alot of heart and determination in not going down again and going on to win the fight. Even though at the time Taylor's five of his last six fights before Pavlik went the distance, to be fair in three of those fights he fought skilled defensive fights in Hopkins twice and Wright. Ouma showed to have a very good chin and Taylor fought a really bad fight against Spinks, but in my opinion Taylor has good power and it's very underated.
Another thing, even if Pavlik had a weak chin Calzaghe's feather dusters wouldn't hurt him anyway. ;D
Joe is funny really... If i remember when RJJ lost to Johnson & Tarver 1-2 years ago, Joe says he has no business fighting him coz he is a spent force or something like that. He also elaborate that there is nothing to gain from beating RJJ because he is irrelevant and he is after only those other big names. So why fight now? Seems like Joe loves to kick oldies arse.. Some of you say Pavlik is a hype job and has a weak chin according to Joe... well he maybe a product of a little hype(according to haters) but he is not a spent force or a has been and most of all he is not a 40+ year old fighter... This kid can punch and knock someone out. He went up thru the ranks the hard way. Joe can say anything he wants against this kid but he will always be remembered as a fighter who fights in obscure during his prime and went only against the big name when they are past their prime (as of this time and it may change who knows).
He fights and work under Frank Warren all his career, right? And it came from Frank Warrens mouth after the Khan fight that he is matching his fighters carefully that he is to blame if his fighter fails... take note... he match his fighters only to those who are known lesser or zero risk opponent then develop and hype them up and wait for the right time to conquer as the case of Joe himself. Everything about Warrens activity as a matchmaker was exposed after KHAN failed. He wants Khan to develop like the way Joe has by fighting unknown and to have an unblemish record.. and what happen no luck this time. My point here is that Joe was a product of hype himself and he got an unblemished record coz he never fought a significant fight until recently. His records don't lie.. I don't belittle his achievements but the way he belittle Pavliks achievements is ridiculous.. Compare what he achieved when he was at the same age of Pavlik right now. Pavlik of 25 yr old is already a lineal champ at MW, i dont think it happens by accident. What did Joe achieve when he was 25? still fighting bums i think or fighting past their prime or spent force if we use his vocabulary... I don't dislike Joe but the way he is acting and saying recently makes me laugh...
peace..
this guy is so right not to be on his nuts or nothin but he is right pavlik is already a linear champ fightin top p4p fighters and joe didnt fight any of them until hopkins fought him and some people still think hopkins won the fight. so after joe retires his legacy wont be shit because of declining a pavlik fight, and taking on an old roy jones who is past his prime. so im pretty sure the only thing good about joes legacy is that he will probably retire with a 0 for losses. while im pretty sure pavlik will line up way better fights in the future win or loseQuote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
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Originally Posted by Kel
Reality check, Kel.
Pavlik was all over the place and Taylor ain't a puncher.
How about Pavlik call out Abraham or has he forgotten about him. They are in the same weight division after all.
Nice theory but wrong. If you were correct then Warren would never have put 'HIS' fighter Nigel Benn in with Gerald McClellan.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
As for your 25 test? huh did I miss something? Pavlik beat Taylor - and? Who the fuck is Taylor? Joe while beating nobodies did beat Eubank who even at that stage is better than Jermain. Oh Yes Pavlik beat Lockett - Joes sparring partner. :D
That interview sounded promising, lets hope that both him and Pavlik win because, from the way Joe's speaking theres no way hes gonna retire he will fight Pavlik, he seems a but pissed off with people saying hes ducking Pavlik, id put money on this fight happening it they both win.
SSo Im guessing you think that Joe could have taken all of those shots unphased. Most fighter would have been out. And I dont think Abrham is a possbility for at least another 1 year if Pavlik calls out the Welshman who has a case of verbal diareha.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRobQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Reality check, Kel.
Pavlik was all over the place and Taylor ain't a puncher.
How about Pavlik call out Abraham or has he forgotten about him. They are in the same weight division after all.
Im thinking the same thing. If both guys win, and look reasonably good doing so, then there is every chance that this fight could get made.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
facts mate facts.. Joe fought Eubank if im not mistaken last quarter of 97 (he is on the decline and not a prime version).. that makes Joe past 25 year old... And as of Frank Warren, well i may be wrong but come on he said it himself i didn't invent it. He says he match his fighters carefully... you draw the line there... What does that mean... and to answer that look at his fighters record.. Records don't lie... peace bro..Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRobNice theory but wrong. If you were correct then Warren would never have put 'HIS' fighter Nigel Benn in with Gerald McClellan.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
As for your 25 test? huh did I miss something? Pavlik beat Taylor - and? Who the fuck is Taylor? Joe while beating nobodies did beat Eubank who even at that stage is better than Jermain. Oh Yes Pavlik beat Lockett - Joes sparring partner. :D
For Pavlik, man he beat the man who beat the man of the division... Taylor beat Hopkins twice.. and mind you he beat a 3 years younger version of Hopkins (than the time Joe beat Hopkins).. Now tell me who the FUCK TAYLOR IS? Comparing Taylor against Eubank is plain ridiculous to begin with.. Better compare them by the time Joe fought Eubank then Pavlik against Taylor..
As for the Locket issue.. Pavlik did what he is supposed to do... Knock the bum out.. Again im not discrediting Joes achievements but comparing it to the fighter he loves to discredit as a possible opponent... If Pavlik can't past Hopkins then i might change my mind regarding him but until then i wait and see..
Yes of course he has Joe , well spending 98% of your career fighting second rate oponants does make you chin solid either.
like I always thought this fight will happen! As long as both fighters win there fights(which either could lose) this will definetly happen, all Joes doing now is hyping it up, by saying he's not gonna fight him will just generate more money for himself when he does agree to it
Benn wasn't supposed to beat McClellan thats a fact. Warren though is no different to anyother promoter regarding matching his fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimoronfacts mate facts.. Joe fought Eubank if im not mistaken last quarter of 97 (he is on the decline and not a prime version).. that makes Joe past 25 year old... And as of Frank Warren, well i may be wrong but come on he said it himself i didn't invent it. He says he match his fighters carefully... you draw the line there... What does that mean... and to answer that look at his fighters record.. Records don't lie... peace bro..Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRobNice theory but wrong. If you were correct then Warren would never have put 'HIS' fighter Nigel Benn in with Gerald McClellan.Quote:
Originally Posted by antimoron
As for your 25 test? huh did I miss something? Pavlik beat Taylor - and? Who the fuck is Taylor? Joe while beating nobodies did beat Eubank who even at that stage is better than Jermain. Oh Yes Pavlik beat Lockett - Joes sparring partner. :D
For Pavlik, man he beat the man who beat the man of the division... Taylor beat Hopkins twice.. and mind you he beat a 3 years younger version of Hopkins (than the time Joe beat Hopkins).. Now tell me who the FUCK TAYLOR IS? Comparing Taylor against Eubank is plain ridiculous to begin with.. Better compare them by the time Joe fought Eubank then Pavlik against Taylor..
As for the Locket issue.. Pavlik did what he is supposed to do... Knock the bum out.. Again im not discrediting Joes achievements but comparing it to the fighter he loves to discredit as a possible opponent... If Pavlik can't past Hopkins then i might change my mind regarding him but until then i wait and see..
Taylor got old man Hopkins similar if you like to Joe beating Eubank - though Joe did do a better job. Hopkins and Eubank were still difficult opponents - just cause a fighter has seen better days doesn't mean hes a soft touch.
Pavlik is a fighter who I personally hope rules for years and I understand him wanting to get out of a weak division but he should clean up the division with a fight against Abraham. ( I think Pavlik will win but its no formality). Pavlik as you say is the man and he beat Taylor who struggled with Cory Spinks and Kassim Ouma for fuck sake - little guys in the wrong division.
I also see the Pavlik vs Calzaghe fight happening unless Joes hands go again against Roy. But then will Kelly deserve credit for beating an old Calzaghe who no longer has snap in his punches?
Had Taylor hit any other boxer with those type of punches, they would've done the same thing. None of those shots Pavlik took were glancing, they were all FLUSH shots to the dome and it's impressive he got up and survived that round...Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRobQuote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Reality check, Kel.
Pavlik was all over the place and Taylor ain't a puncher.
How about Pavlik call out Abraham or has he forgotten about him. They are in the same weight division after all.
In the business aspect of the sport, which would be a smarter move, calling out Abraham who only boxing fans know, or calling out Calzaghe and fighting Hopkins? IMO Pavlik is making the right choice. Abraham is someone he should fight eventually but Pavlik has bigger fish to fry right now.