Mosely-Mayorga,Who do you think was winning?

I was supprised to find out that SSM was ahead going in to the 12th round on 2 of the 3 score cards.

I did not score the fight but the general inpression I got was that Mayorga was doing the better work,throwing more punches and landing the better shots.

The Sky TV commontator Jim Watt thought Mayorga was well ahead so that might have influenced my opinion and also my 3 year old daughter was climbing all over me through the fight so I did not pay full attention.


What do you think guys.:confused:

I had it neck and neck, Mayorga throwing a lot more and Mosley throwing way less and being a bit more accurate. You could say a piece for either guy going into that round, but it was level enough for me.

i had mayorga ahead, i thought shane was pretty bad in this fight, good finish by him though

I had it pretty even too . I think Shanes big finish would have secured it on the cards for him had the ref not stopped it anyway. Poor performance by Shane but a k.o win in that style looks pretty impressive

Like most I reallly thought it was close going into the final round.

I had the 'benefit' of the HBO commentary and found it to be the most biased telecast I've ever seen.

Mayorga for the most part was more aggressive and had a far higher workrate, plus he kept catching Shane repeatedly but Lampley et al just didn;t even acknowledge.

Had it gone to the scorecards I would have had no problem with a close Mosely points win but HBO were trying to suggest that Mayorga was being schooled by Mosely and that wasn't even remotely the case.

The awesome KO aside I'd say Mayorga comes out of the fight with his reputation enhanced whereas many will now say it's time for Shane to quit.

Apparently of the three official judges one had Mayorga ahead by a point, one had Mosely ahead by a point and one had Mosely ahead by 4 points.

Certainly the judges had a better understanding of this fight than did HBO I think.

It's interesting that Watt had Mayorga ahead, Merchant, Lampley and Steward just all took turns to stroke Mosely's cock and give him some deep throat action.

It was ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Like most I reallly thought it was close going into the final round.

I had the 'benefit' of the HBO commentary and found it to be the most biased telecast I've ever seen.

Mayorga for the most part was more aggressive and had a far higher workrate, plus he kept catching Shane repeatedly but Lampley et al just didn;t even acknowledge.

Had it gone to the scorecards I would have had no problem with a close Mosely points win but HBO were trying to suggest that Mayorga was being schooled by Mosely and that wasn't even remotely the case.

The awesome KO aside I'd say Mayorga comes out of the fight with his reputation enhanced whereas many will now say it's time for Shane to quit.

Apparently of the three official judges one had Mayorga ahead by a point, one had Mosely ahead by a point and one had Mosely ahead by 4 points.

Certainly the judges had a better understanding of this fight than did HBO I think.

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Well Jim Watt of Sky TV said the opposite.He thought Mayorga was well ahead.I think on Jims score card he was winning by 4 or 5 rounds.

I wouldn't have had Mayorga well ahead but I certainly felt it was a really close fight.

Mayorga suprised me with his activity level and was throwing mutliple combinations. There's no doubt he was more up for this fight than any fight in a long time, and he looked massive for the weight.

I thought it was a really close competitive fight and disagree totally with anyone who had either Mosely or Mayorga comfortably ahead.

To me it was one of those fights that could have gone either way on the cards.

But it's all irellevent now as Mosely proved why he's one of the greatest with a superb KO at the end.

I had Mosley ahead but not by much.

Thought Mayorga was missing a lot, hard to score of the TV mind it always is. it was close. ;D

To be honest i thought most of the rounds were pretty easy to score, i had it 7-4 to Mosley going into the 12th round.

Mosley landed the cleaner effective punches especially with the counter shots, as he was catching Mayorga coming in all the time.

Mayorga threw more punches but they were mostly wild ineffective punches, which were missing especially his flurries, which he tried to fool the judges with.

Quite suprised some people had it that close, i thought it was close in the middle rounds, then Mosley pulled away in the later rounds.

As Mayorga was landing at a lower and lower percentage.

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Originally Posted by ICB

To be honest i thought most of the rounds were pretty easy to score, i had it 7-4 to Mosley going into the 12th round.

Mosley landed the cleaner effective punches especially with the counter shots, as he was catching Mayorga coming in all the time.

Mayorga threw more punches but they were mostly wild ineffective punches, which were missing especially his flurries, which he tried to fool the judges with.

Quite suprised some people had it that close, i thought it was close in the middle rounds, then Mosley pulled away in the later rounds.

As Mayorga was landing at a lower and lower percentage.

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That was exactly my scorecard. Once Mosley got used to the wild angles and a little steam came off Mayorga's punches, Mosley took over. In the beginning, he was very cautious and rightfully wary of Mayorga's power, but Mayorga was landing very little. Shane was just peppering him with clean straight rights.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I wouldn't have had Mayorga well ahead but I certainly felt it was a really close fight.

Mayorga suprised me with his activity level and was throwing mutliple combinations. There's no doubt he was more up for this fight than any fight in a long time, and he looked massive for the weight.

I thought it was a really close competitive fight and disagree totally with anyone who had either Mosely or Mayorga comfortably ahead.

To me it was one of those fights that could have gone either way on the cards.

But it's all irellevent now as Mosely proved why he's one of the greatest with a superb KO at the end.

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So from what everybody has said on here it was very close and could have gone ethier way which is what the oficial judges had it.

WOW! not often you praise the judges of a top fight.:cool:

in my eyes, an easy fight to score. SSM took a round off here and there, but by and large, was well ahead going into 12. mayorga is nothing more than an amateurish brawler with bull strength. he has no skill whatsoever, and that's why he loses against top fighters.

the better man won. justice was served.

i had mosley winning by 2 rounds but everybody was scoring it differently espn had ssm winning by 2, when they showed the scorecard during the fight they had mayorga by like 3 rounds. but it was not a good performance by mosley i hope he doesnt fight like that if he fights tony.

I had it as a pick em going in to that last round

Im just going to sound bitter beause I was so damn sure Mayorga would steamroll Mosley, he was bigger, he was stronger he just seems to have lost the fire that made his name, a style like Mayorgas needs to be fighting more often, like a tiocking metronome with its momentum.

Credit to Shane, the finish couldnt have been more conclusive, no arguments there but as for the scoring, what did Shane do? Fuuck all.

Mayorga was outboxing him and I was dumbfounded when he got hurt in the last, I couldnt believe that he would go down after doig so well and then just stay on his back!!!

Ok he may not have realised how long was left in the bout but to just lay there and accept defeat was a bit odd, even get up and hold, anything, im pretty sure he had his facultys still.

I was o sure hed knock Shnane out I put £10 on each round for Mayorga and also £10 for a Mayorga and Forbes double, so £130 quid down the fuuckin drain!!

Mayorga deserved at the very least to have been ahead on the cards, Mosley got outhustled and out jabbed by Mayorga;D

I had SSM up by 3 points going into the 12th round...
He won a couple of the early rounds and swept all of the middle rounds until the late rounds where he took off 1 or 2 rounds and then won again.

I keep reading all these posts about how bad SSM looked. Well yeah did you see that Mayorga was a Light Heavyweight last night?

Not only that but Mayorga minus his little show of letting SSM hit him fought well for him.

Why don't we aske better how many of you after seeing Mayorga take flush shots think SSM would stop him?
Exactly... ;)

SMM knocked out a guy who outweighed him drastically.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I had SSM up by 3 points going into the 12th round...
He won a couple of the early rounds and swept all of the middle rounds until the late rounds where he took off 1 or 2 rounds and then won again.

I keep reading all these posts about how bad SSM looked. Well yeah did you see that Mayorga was a Light Heavyweight last night?

Not only that but Mayorga minus his little show of letting SSM hit him fought well for him.

Why don't we aske better how many of you after seeing Mayorga take flush shots think SSM would stop him?
Exactly... ;)

SMM knocked out a guy who outweighed him drastically.

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I agree with you pretty much Mick, Mosely beat a huge and very determined Mayorga in a weight class that he never really belonged in anyway.

It was by no means a bad performance by Mosely. I thought Mayorga fought a superb fight given his limitations and although it was scrappy and even comical at times I really enjoyed it.

And the knockout was sweet :cool:

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

I had SSM up by 3 points going into the 12th round...
He won a couple of the early rounds and swept all of the middle rounds until the late rounds where he took off 1 or 2 rounds and then won again.

I keep reading all these posts about how bad SSM looked. Well yeah did you see that Mayorga was a Light Heavyweight last night?

Not only that but Mayorga minus his little show of letting SSM hit him fought well for him.

Why don't we aske better how many of you after seeing Mayorga take flush shots think SSM would stop him?
Exactly... ;)

SMM knocked out a guy who outweighed him drastically.

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Mick i also had the same score when i was doing RBR, 7-4 to Mosley.

And Ross what the hell are you talking about ? Mayorga outboxed Mosley are you blind ?

Mayorga was being aggressive and throwing more punches, but he was the one getting outboxed. By Mosley's quick/sharp counter shots. Mosley made Mayorga miss a ton of punches especially when Mayorga flurried, he missed almost all of his punches.

And even though the fight was messy at times thanks to Mayorga's one punch and holding tactic. I think Mosley performed well once he got over the first 3 rounds, there were flashes of the old brillance from Mosley.

Especially when he beat Mayorga to a pulp in the 7th or 8th round i can't remember which.

But i don't see why people are being so hard on Mosley, yes he looked lazy at times. But i thought he fought a smart fight, and i liked the way he took few rounds off at the start of the fight. To figure out Mayorga's unorthodox style.

Once Mosley got his right hand leads working especially countering with it. I thought Mosley took over the fight, i think Mosley still has alot to give to boxing and i think he will still do well against most Welterweights.

Andre Berto vs Shane Mosley is a mouth watering fight to me.

May orga did his share of holding but he wasnt the one that was so eager to hold he (Mosley) litteraly jumped off the floor for a hug;D

Like I said before the fight, SHnae is small and too old to carry on, unfortunately for Mayorga he is accurate and has stayed in the gym, if Mayorga had taken a fight inbetween he would have been a lot sharper.

Shane looked his age and so did Ricardo and all of a sudden eevryone is shocked that the fight wasnt good, I though Mayorga would be too much, Mosley certainly wasnt as good as De La Hoya or Trinidad, he had big trouble with very underactive (by his own standards) Mayorga.

Now Mosley realises how silly he sounded when saying he can fight the top boyts for another 5 years and back tracked about a Margarito match.

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Originally Posted by ross

Im just going to sound bitter beause I was so damn sure Mayorga would steamroll Mosley, he was bigger, he was stronger he just seems to have lost the fire that made his name, a style like Mayorgas needs to be fighting more often, like a tiocking metronome with its momentum.

Credit to Shane, the finish couldnt have been more conclusive, no arguments there but as for the scoring, what did Shane do? Fuuck all.

Mayorga was outboxing him and I was dumbfounded when he got hurt in the last, I couldnt believe that he would go down after doig so well and then just stay on his back!!!

Ok he may not have realised how long was left in the bout but to just lay there and accept defeat was a bit odd, even get up and hold, anything, im pretty sure he had his facultys still.

I was o sure hed knock Shnane out I put £10 on each round for Mayorga and also £10 for a Mayorga and Forbes double, so £130 quid down the fuuckin drain!!

Mayorga deserved at the very least to have been ahead on the cards, Mosley got outhustled and out jabbed by Mayorga;D

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Mayorga got owned, and so did you, for being so cock-sure he was going to destroy Shane. Maybe you'll start to understand that matchup make fights now. You thought Mayorga was winning that fight, especially towards the end when Mosley was peppering him with right hands and Mayorga was landing nothing effective? You really are a fanboy. If Mayorga was so much bigger, he would have been KTFO much earlier.

Fuuck off, what about the other diicks round here saying Shane was gonna blow Mayorga out early, if Mayorga had stayed busy, in the gym or fighting instead of having to drop down from 164lb he would have won deffinitly for sure no doubt %100, I am right;D

I think Mosely was just edging it and that is a big JUST! but i dont think he should retire he just fought Mayorga's fight thats all. He could fight Forrest or Berto for a title and i think he could beat either.

I had Mayorga ahead going into the 12th.

I have seen both the HBO and UK version and as much as i dislike Jim Watt the HBO version was totally biast, infact it was a joke.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I had Mayorga ahead going into the 12th.

I have seen both the HBO and UK version and as much as i dislike Jim Watt the HBO version was totally biast, infact it was a joke.

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I think Watt was riding Mayorga abit too much to be fair . I knew the judges scorecards would be closer so I didnt take too much notice of his scorecard by the end.

I think all this conjecture and discussion just confirms that it was a very close fight, with the scoring open to interperation.

I wouldn't have had Mayorga winning the fight on my card but I it was certainly very close. There were a few rounds that could have gone either way and it despite being a bit scrappy it was a very entertaining fight imo.

I had Mosley slightly ahead going in to the 12th. I need to watch it again though.

Watt bugs me, I didnt notice he was biased towards Mayorga, in fact him and whoever were annoying me by rewarding Mosley with undesrved praise for things he wasnt doing, like catching Mayorga, theyd show a replay and Mosley would throw a few shots non would land ten Mayorgas would get through.

Mosley said as much afterwards that he though at one point, Mayorga was throwing an overhand right but ended up getting caught with an uppercut, how different could those 2 punches be.

Also Watt commented how Mosley was too static and getting caught too much.

Mosley has always been like that, he doesnt make any attempt to move his upper body to avoid punches, he used his legs and now hes getting older its highlighted, hes been successfull with speed and strength, against other strong fighters he struggles.

I only see about 30 seconds of the Mosley i remember and that was a spell in the 6th and the knockout.

Anyone know who was ahead on the cards going into 12?

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I only see about 30 seconds of the Mosley i remember and that was a spell in the 6th and the knockout.

Anyone know who was ahead on the cards going into 12?

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The judges had it:
105-104 Mayorga, 105-104 Mosley, 107-102 Mosley.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

I only see about 30 seconds of the Mosley i remember and that was a spell in the 6th and the knockout.

Anyone know who was ahead on the cards going into 12?

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Mosely was it was 105-104 Mayorga 105-104 Mosely and 107-102 Mosely

107-102 Mosley.

Wow.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

107-102 Mosley.

Wow.

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I disagree with the score, but I can understand it. It was a close fight and depending on what you prefer I could see Mosley ahead by 3-4 rounds (5 is a bit of a stretch).

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

107-102 Mosley.

Wow.

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I disagree with the score, but I can understand it. It was a close fight and depending on what you prefer I could see Mosley ahead by 3-4 rounds (5 is a bit of a stretch).

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I thought Mayorga was a couple up. Guess it just shows how subjective scoring is.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

107-102 Mosley.

Wow.

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I disagree with the score, but I can understand it. It was a close fight and depending on what you prefer I could see Mosley ahead by 3-4 rounds (5 is a bit of a stretch).

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I thought Mayorga was a couple up. Guess it just shows how subjective scoring is.

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Yeah. I had Mosley slightly ahead, but it was one of those fights where it all depended on what the individual judges were looking for. I can understand why some people had Mayorga ahead, I disagree with it, but I can see why. It was definitely close.

By round 8 I had the fight even (Mayorga with rounds 1, 2, 7, 8 and Mosley 3, 4, 5, 6). But rounds 9, 10, 11 I gave to Mosley and if there are any doubt, I could've given Mayorga the 10th but that was pushing it.

I can understand if someone had it closer than my card but to have Mayorga ahead before the 12th is pushing it.

Either way...Shane knocked him out to compleyely nil the effect of any scorecard..

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

107-102 Mosley.

Wow.

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The only two clear rounds for Mayorga were 2 and 8. Then there are three very close rounds that could have gone to Mayorga 1,3, and 9. Every other round was clearly for Shane. Rounds 4-7 were not even close. Round 10 was close, but it was still a Mosley round. Round 11 wasn't close...Mosley used that jab more effectively this round than I've seen him do in a long time, and he landed some big rights.

On the cards the fight was closer than it really was. There is a reason why Mayorga got KO'd. For 6 rounds Shane owned him completely. the other 5 he stayed in it.

The Shane won 5 rounds absolutely definitively. Mayorga won two clearly. The rest were close swing rounds. If you score those close rounds for Mosley, you have 107-102 doesn't look as bad. If that's probably how you got Mayorga ahead on one card...that judge gave all the close rounds to Mayorga. Some judges reward work rate and can't seem to tell if punches land or not...see the judges in the Hopkins/Calzaghe fight.

I thought Mosley was just about winning going into the 12th.. I didn't agree with Jim Watt's scoring.. but you have to take into account he was watching from ringside.

Mosley clearly isn't the fighter he once was.. it's something to do with the aging process, hardly surprising. ;)

What a finish :o

I had Mayorga one round up going into the last round