Haye would have beaten Peter and Vitali

Haye would have beaten Peter and Vitali

Like others I'm left wondering if klitschko was that good or Peter was that bad.

Peter was dreadfully slow while Klitschko used his height effectively.

Peter hasn't looked good for a few fights now - he didn't impress against McCline or Toney. He looked like a fighter who just turned up without any real ambition or desire.

Klitschko looked good but his hands are awfully low and against a powerful, fast fighter he would have got caught.

The trouble is that there aren't that many powerful, fast Heavyweights apart from David Haye.

Haye would have ruined both of these guys. Klitschko looks like he can't fight at a fast pace and Haye would make him work and counter with quick accurate bombs.

Klitschko is not the man he once was but he did look good against Peter but then Peter was fighting in a trance.

Haye has all the skills, reflexes, power and movement to have beaten both last night.

i hope haye beats them i dont like to brothers being at the top of the HW division. but then again i dont really care for HWs

...must be fun dreaming all day :rolleyes:


In case you haven't heard David Haye is fighting the "dangerous" Monte Barrett......and he's ready for Vitali and Sam Peter???

Wll in all truth, haye prob wouldnt of made it past the first round with vitali! Vitali has an iron jaw and iron hands. Do you think haye would be able to make it inside vitalis reach without taking a hardshot? No he wont and would not. Vitali would smash him all over the ring.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...must be fun dreaming all day :rolleyes:


In case you haven't heard David Haye is fighting the "dangerous" Monte Barrett......and he's ready for Vitali and Sam Peter???

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Your 2 Slapper boys will get KNFO by Haye.

Just watch the demoliion Haye will do in November against Barrett.

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Originally Posted by snakey

Wll in all truth, haye prob wouldnt of made it past the first round with vitali! Vitali has an iron jaw and iron hands. Do you think haye would be able to make it inside vitalis reach without taking a hardshot? No he wont and would not. Vitali would smash him all over the ring.

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Pure comical to say the least. Vitali's jaw never got tested against Peter. Besides he is 37 now and who says it is iron ? If a Hayemaker lands from Haye he would be on his ass. Just like any other heavyweight.

IMO we need to wait and see what effect Haye's punches has on a bona fide heavy, he landed flush and often against the likes of Fragomenni, Mormeck and Thompson and it took a lot of blows to break down the first two and he couldn't take out the third where other cruisers had managed to do so.

IMO Haye has a lot going for him, but his fanatics are getting way ahead of themselves, do you guys really believe he'll land one solid right on Vitali and his legs'll buckle like Maccarinelli's then he'll go into his shell? that might happen with the vulnerable younger brother, but no chance it happens to Vitali who took Lennox's best without going down.

I think against peter his mobility would tell, as for Vitali, I'm not sure. He doesn't give to much time to recover and is hard to break down.

This ispurely hypothetical as judging by his recent pics, he has put on alot of muscle. How this will affect his stamina, i'm not sure.

Haye will kill the klits.

I would pick Haye over Peter.

But not Vitali, sucks, I would love it if he beat him and got rid of Vitali for good but he probably wouldn't.

Think Haye would handle Peter without much difficulty but not so sure about - Vitali; probably too much size and punch resistance for David's liking. Vladmir is a much more appealing target.

David Haye is fighting MONTE BARRETT who at best lost decisions to Mesi and Whittaker and Wlad put him down 5 times but since those glory days he's been KO'd by Cliff Couser and Nicolay Valuev.


I enjoy you Haye fans you're hyping up a guy who has NEVER fought a top level heavyweight and after he fights Monte Barrett he STILL won't have fought a top rated heavyweight.


Vitali took Lennox Lewis' best shots I HIGHLY doubt Haye will bring anything more to the table. David Haye gets hit too much and if he has an Amir Kahn moment vs Monte Barrett then you guys had better hide for a couple years because I won't let you hear the end of it!

Haha, for once I kind of agree with Lyle. I'm a fan of Haye and cannot stand any other heavyweight (unless you consider Toney to still be active) but the hype is getting a little out of control considering he hasn't even fought any thing close to even a top twenty heavyweight.

He may end up coming well, I hope he does but for now he's an unknown.

Of course I did pick him to beat Peter so maybe I'm adding to the hype. Its more that I just think Peter sucks really.

Klitschko's timing was off a little at 1st but understandable due to the layoff but I think anyone would have been very accurate against Peter - he is not a fast moving target. ;D

I'm not taking anything away from Vitali as he did very well and beat what was infront of him.

I liked the way Klitschko used movement to keep the distance against Peter - it was efective against a dreadfully slow opponent.

Peter when he did use head movement albeit rarely did make Klitschko miss but once the head movement stopped then Klitschko found the target. Peter looked like a fighter who hadn't trained solidly and didn't have the fitness or desire to make a fight of it.

I'm confident that Haye would prove alot more formidable an opponent than Peter proved to be.

Haye will give Klitschko problems with his head movement and footwork and have the handspeed to counter and catch the upright target of Vitali.

What's all the fuss about Vitali keeping his hands low and him going straight back...HE HAS ALWAYS DONE THAT!!!

#1 Vitali keeps his hands low as he is 6'7-6'8 he's extremely tall and hard to hit to the head for a guy like Sam Peter who is 6'0 tall or even a guy like David Haye who is 6'3. He keeps his hands low to protect the body where he is more vulnerable.

#2 Vitali leans straight back to make fighters over extend therefore leaving themselves open to counters.

I thought Peter and Vitali fought to their usual level. Peter's a limited plodder.. his only chance was Vitali showing severe ring rust - obviously that didn't happen.

Haye's success at heavyweight will be decided by the effect his bombs have on fighters chins.. Vitali has always shown a granite chin.

I would make Haye a BIG underdog against Vitali.. in fact i'd be SHOCKED if he beat him.

It would be a travesty though if a fighter with Haye's ability couldn't beat Peter.

I see Sam Peter-David Haye as a toss up right now. Sure Peter is slow and can't box but Haye is vulnerable to letting himself get hit too often and if Sam is able to keep "touching" (as Teddy Atlas puts it) Haye then David will have a FULL FIGHT on his hands. Sam has a great chin and well frankly we have no clue about what David Haye can and cannot take.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

David Haye is fighting MONTE BARRETT who at best lost decisions to Mesi and Whittaker and Wlad put him down 5 times but since those glory days he's been KO'd by Cliff Couser and Nicolay Valuev.


I enjoy you Haye fans you're hyping up a guy who has NEVER fought a top level heavyweight and after he fights Monte Barrett he STILL won't have fought a top rated heavyweight.


Vitali took Lennox Lewis' best shots I HIGHLY doubt Haye will bring anything more to the table. David Haye gets hit too much and if he has an Amir Kahn moment vs Monte Barrett then you guys had better hide for a couple years because I won't let you hear the end of it!

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WBO number 6. Not a bum. Unlike Tony Thompson and Ray Austin and Jameel McCline Dr Slap has fought.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I see Sam Peter-David Haye as a toss up right now. Sure Peter is slow and can't box but Haye is vulnerable to letting himself get hit too often and if Sam is able to keep "touching" (as Teddy Atlas puts it) Haye then David will have a FULL FIGHT on his hands. Sam has a great chin and well frankly we have no clue about what David Haye can and cannot take.

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If Haye gets past Barrett (which he should), I'd like to see that fight. It would be a good indicator of where both fighters stand in the division. I would *think* Haye would win, but you never know.

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Originally Posted by leftylee

WBO number 6. Not a bum. Unlike Tony Thompson and Ray Austin and Jameel McCline Dr Slap has fought.

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All those guys earned their shots

Tony Thompson - Beat Guinn, Timor Ibragimov, and Luan Krasniqi back to back to back. Had never been KO'd before either and he was a mandatory Wlad didn't want to fight AND he was a 6'5 SOUTHPAW who NOBODY wants to fight, not because of power but because of strength, size, and he's awkward.

Ray Austin - Had an eliminator bout with Sultan Ibragimov and fought Sultan to a draw and Sultan chose to fight for one belt and Tony fought for Wlad's belt. Once again a mandatory who Wlad finished without ever throwing his moneymaker right cross...that was a devistating KO.

Jameel McCline - beat Michael Grant, Lance Whittaker, and Shannon Briggs back to back to back to get a shot vs Wladimir. McCline is obviously still a solid heavyweight having given Sam Peter the fight of his life not too long ago and I think had McCline's knee not given out vs Valuev he would have beaten him.

All those guys are SOLID heavyweights, over 6'4 and over 240 pounds....it would be much more telling if David Haye fought one of them instead of Monte Barrett who is like Haye a little too small and a little too old to be a contender these days.


Until David Haye steps foot in the ring with a good heavyweight he's still a cruiserweight in my eyes...and an untested one at that

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Originally Posted by leftylee

WBO number 6. Not a bum. Unlike Tony Thompson and Ray Austin and Jameel McCline Dr Slap has fought.

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All those guys earned their shots

Tony Thompson - Beat Guinn, Timor Ibragimov, and Luan Krasniqi back to back to back. Had never been KO'd before either and he was a mandatory Wlad didn't want to fight AND he was a 6'5 SOUTHPAW who NOBODY wants to fight, not because of power but because of strength, size, and he's awkward.

Ray Austin - Had an eliminator bout with Sultan Ibragimov and fought Sultan to a draw and Sultan chose to fight for one belt and Tony fought for Wlad's belt. Once again a mandatory who Wlad finished without ever throwing his moneymaker right cross...that was a devistating KO.

Jameel McCline - beat Michael Grant, Lance Whittaker, and Shannon Briggs back to back to back to get a shot vs Wladimir. McCline is obviously still a solid heavyweight having given Sam Peter the fight of his life not too long ago and I think had McCline's knee not given out vs Valuev he would have beaten him.

All those guys are SOLID heavyweights, over 6'4 and over 240 pounds....it would be much more telling if David Haye fought one of them instead of Monte Barrett who is like Haye a little too small and a little too old to be a contender these days.


Until David Haye steps foot in the ring with a good heavyweight he's still a cruiserweight in my eyes...and an untested one at that

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You make them 3 sound like hall of famers :rolleyes:

Compared to Monte Barrett they might be

Watching from his training camp vantage point in Kyrenia, Northern Cyprus, world heavyweight title contender David Haye will have studied every minute of the eight rounds it took for incumbent World Boxing Council heavyweight Samuel Peter to be out-thought, out-fought and ultimately outclassed in Berlin by Vitali Klitschko on Saturday night.

‘Dr Ironfist’ is back. The heavy division is heating up. And Haye insists he can defeat both Klitschko brothers, disclosing to Telegraph Sport that he has the style – and speed - to unseat both champions, who now share three of the four major sanctioning body belts. The fighting Klitschkos have become the first boxing brothers in history to simultaneously hold heavyweight world title belts. The only belt outside their grasp is the WBA title, held by giant Russian Nicolay Valuev.

Ask Haye, and he’ll happily fell all three giants. Haye, who debuts as a heavyweight bill-topper at the 02 Arena, Greenwich on November 15, against American Monte Barrett, is convinced he has “the tools to defeat both Klitschkos”.

Haye said: “Give me Wladimir first, then I’ll take on the older brother. Neither of them has the speed I can show them, and they are both vulnerable.”

Haye would beat both klitchko ?? I first, honestly doubt he'll do any good against peter. Peter looked shitty yesterday night for sure, but if he can put his fists on Haye (who is not that taller) it might be a different story. even if I think haye can simply beat the hell out of Peter, peter has good power, and haye a soft chin.

Haye has been put on his butt against Mormeck, who is far from the power of Klitchko brothers...if a Mormeck can put him down, someone with klitchko power would almost decapitate him...

David Haye is a good fighter and he has a incredible power in both hands, he has the puncher chance agaisnt wladimir, but nothing more...in my eyes....

If haye was really desperate by finding an opponent, he could have ask to Oliander Solis, who knocked haye out during the olympic....but he might have forgot his name :-)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

...must be fun dreaming all day :rolleyes:


In case you haven't heard David Haye is fighting the "dangerous" Monte Barrett......and he's ready for Vitali and Sam Peter???

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Your 2 Slapper boys will get KNFO by Haye.

Just watch the demoliion Haye will do in November against Barrett.

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Gotta agree I think Haye will do a much better job on Barrett than Wlad did. I don't see it going further than 4!

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Haye would beat both klitchko ?? I first, honestly doubt he'll do any good against peter. Peter looked shitty yesterday night for sure, but if he can put his fists on Haye (who is not that taller) it might be a different story. even if I think haye can simply beat the hell out of Peter, peter has good power, and haye a soft chin.

Haye has been put on his butt against Mormeck, who is far from the power of Klitchko brothers...if a Mormeck can put him down, someone with klitchko power would almost decapitate him...

David Haye is a good fighter and he has a incredible power in both hands, he has the puncher chance agaisnt wladimir, but nothing more...in my eyes....

If haye was really desperate by finding an opponent, he could have ask to Oliander Solis, who knocked haye out during the olympic....but he might have forgot his name :-)

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Oh and Wlads got an absolute fucking Iron chin ???

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IMO we need to wait and see what effect Haye's punches has on a bona fide heavy, he landed flush and often against the likes of Fragomenni, Mormeck and Thompson and it took a lot of blows to break down the first two and he couldn't take out the third where other cruisers had managed to do so.

IMO Haye has a lot going for him, but his fanatics are getting way ahead of themselves, do you guys really believe he'll land one solid right on Vitali and his legs'll buckle like Maccarinelli's then he'll go into his shell? that might happen with the vulnerable younger brother, but no chance it happens to Vitali who took Lennox's best without going down.

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Some good points but that was far from Lennox's best... he was well past his prime before even the Tyson fight.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Compared to Monte Barrett they might be

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It's possibly the first time this has happened but regarding Haye's chances against Vitali I'm 100% in agreement with Lyle.

I'll say it now Haye has NO CHANCE, ZERO, NONE WHATSOEVER to beat Vitali Klitschko. He would get absolutely battered inside 5 or 6 rounds.

Let's be real here, even Haye's fans are slightly concerned about him facing Mionte Barret, Barrett is seen as a risky opponent for him. Virtually everyone else at heavyweight would be seen as a risk for him too. I can't find any odds for the Haye Monte fight yet but I imagine Barret will propably be around 9/4 or 5/2 odds, similar to the odds of Roy Jones against Calzaghe.

Put Barrett in with either Klitschko and the odds would likely be about 33/1 or the same as Bruce Seldon against Mike Tyson, seriously now what does that tell you?

There is a very good chance, in fact even likely, that Haye will get knocked out even before he gets to either Klitschko so let's keep our feet on the ground just a little here.

Haye will probably get past Monte Barrett and can then look at fighting an opponent who is at least relavent to the heavyweight division (Barret isn't).

I don't see Haye getting past a slick fighter like Eddie Chambers he won't eeven get as far as challenging Vitali let alone have a chane of beating him.

Haye is not a proven top rated heavyweight. Good or not Vitali and Peter are. To say with out a doubt that Haye can even get by Barrett is baseless. If he beats Monte then we can talk about how hed do vs Vitali but for now theres nothing to go on.

I think some are going over the top with David Haye. He has proven himself a very good cruiserweight, but there are still question marks surrounding him. Any talk of him just waltzing up to heavyweight and putting a beating on Wlad or Vitali is just fantasy talk. Haye hasnt proven he has the capability to do that yet at all. Beating Barrett will really just be a small sized step up, Barrett is old and been beaten by far better fighters. Haye doing a number on him wont tell us a great deal either.

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IMO we need to wait and see what effect Haye's punches has on a bona fide heavy, he landed flush and often against the likes of Fragomenni, Mormeck and Thompson and it took a lot of blows to break down the first two and he couldn't take out the third where other cruisers had managed to do so.

IMO Haye has a lot going for him, but his fanatics are getting way ahead of themselves, do you guys really believe he'll land one solid right on Vitali and his legs'll buckle like Maccarinelli's then he'll go into his shell? that might happen with the vulnerable younger brother, but no chance it happens to Vitali who took Lennox's best without going down.

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Some good points but that was far from Lennox's best... he was well past his prime before even the Tyson fight.

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I fail to see what him being beyond his prime has to do with Vitali taking his best punches. Sure, Lennox wasn't his best, but he still had power.. and Vitali wasn't Kayod.

I don't see Haye hitting any harder than Lewis did to Vitali.
My opinion though, of course.

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Wll in all truth, haye prob wouldnt of made it past the first round with vitali! Vitali has an iron jaw and iron hands. Do you think haye would be able to make it inside vitalis reach without taking a hardshot? No he wont and would not. Vitali would smash him all over the ring.

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Pure comical to say the least. Vitali's jaw never got tested against Peter. Besides he is 37 now and who says it is iron ? If a Hayemaker lands from Haye he would be on his ass. Just like any other heavyweight.

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:rolleyes::rolleyes:...Fanboy talk at it's best......

Vitaly has a chin unlike any other HW I have seen since David Tua in his prime.....

Vitaly would play with Haye...It would make the Sanders and Williams fights look merciful

David Haye has not even beaten Barrett yet , Lennox Lewis hit Vitali flush on many occasions , are Haye fans saying he hits harder than Lewis ?

Also we have to wait and see how Haye reacts to being hit by a puncher at HW.
At this point Vitali would easily stop Haye , this is based on the fact that he is unproven and Vitali is a known quality.
Haye beating Peter , is another bold statement , you have to remember Peter couldnt get close to Vitali , Peter would be able to hit Haye and again we do not know how he will react.

Im a fan of David Haye but he needs to develope as a HW , less talk more action.

If you look at the Lennox v Vitali fight it really is hard to see any way Hayes gonna beat him,Wlad is still a maybe too.
Only way he could beat Vitali would be to catch him cold in the first few minutes,whether he could is a different matter.

Vitali looked so strong and sharp on Sat, I really think he beats any heavy.

Agreed and the thing is he makes other fighters look sh*t as his fights are usually so one sided,his jab is a nightmare for any fighter and his chin is solid (proved in the Lewis fight).
Just a shame that bar the Lewis fight he bores the sh*t out of me ;D

I would give Haye an outside chance to beat Vitali if he was able to box a perfect fight. He would have to make use of Vitali's below par footwork and try and break him down, tire him out and over all out box him.

The thing is i don't see how Haye can go the fight without taking a few big hits, and the way vitali hits Haye will be put to sleep. someone said about Vitali holding his hands down low, well Haye doesn't keep the high either, the diff is, Vitali can take a punch, shit he can take a bat to the chin.

Klitchko would murder Haye early imo

Haye's only hope against Vitali is to tear into him like a loony. If he stands off or tires he'll get tagged by a right hand and that'll be all she wrote.

Haye would make a mess of Peter, thats the fight I wanted to see.