WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!
Seriously, I picked Bhop, but I can't believe what I just saw. Not only did he win a landslide victory, he did it clean and in exciting fashion.
WAR BHOP!!
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WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!
Seriously, I picked Bhop, but I can't believe what I just saw. Not only did he win a landslide victory, he did it clean and in exciting fashion.
WAR BHOP!!
I also saw Pavlik walk around the ring without even using his jab and his right hand. What the fuck was the matter with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
he could not land a clean shot, the lateral movement was spectacular...
damn. i tip my hat off to hopkins he beat the crap outta kelly
He was fighting Hopkins, that is was what was the matter with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI also saw Pavlik walk around the ring without even using his jab and his right hand. What the fuck was the matter with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I missed the stream. My only guess is that Hopkins saw Pavlik just as a come forward type fighter and killed him with side-to-side movement. Pavlik better get back to the drawing board quick.
Even calzaghe had problems at times with hopkins speed and mobility. If hopkins can make calzaghes output go down he can make a lot of fighters output go down. What gets me is how did jermaine taylor make it look so easy to beat hopkins?
Pav should have brought an apple for Hopkins....he was schooled in all honesty.Countered at nearly every move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
The lateral movement and handspeed did it all.:cool::cool::cool:
Ok, Calzaghe's stock just went up thenQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe was fighting Hopkins, that is was what was the matter with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelI also saw Pavlik walk around the ring without even using his jab and his right hand. What the fuck was the matter with him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Pavlik was either just plain shit or paid offQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Who said anything about Calzaghe?Quote:
Originally Posted by KelOk, Calzaghe's stock just went up thenQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe was fighting Hopkins, that is was what was the matter with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
I don't think anyone would argue that Calzaghe's (disputed by some) win over B-Hop was not impressive.
Hopkins fought an exceptional fight. He made Pavlik look like an amateur in there. But lets not forget a few things about Hopkins recent performances.
Since his move up to light heavyweight he has had 4 fights. For me the Tarver fight is his only significant win at the weight. Tarver was a genuine LHW and Hopkins breezed past him. Great win. Calzaghe actually beat Hopkins quite clearly. Winky was way out of his weight class though. And here we have Pavlik, though a big guy, he really is just a middleweight at this point.
Hopkins schooled Pavlik, and it was a great performance, but there is so much calculation in how Hopkins goes about matchmaking. I really dont think he really expected Calzaghe could be so good, and Im sure he's still in denial about it today. It was a good win, but lets not forget the realities of the situation.
Hopkins is creating the illusion of making "great" wins by asking fighters to step almost 2 weight classes outside what they normally fight at. It seems to be a Golden Boy art these days with Oscar leading the way. I know that sounds cynical but its the way it is.
I think so, had it not been for that awful start it would have been a VERY decisive Calzaghe win over BHop. As it was it was just a clear win.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelOk, Calzaghe's stock just went up thenQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHe was fighting Hopkins, that is was what was the matter with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kel
Thats predictable reaction ? Come on man.Exactly how many times was Pavlik called plain shite prior to the fight,He is not.He was out thought and out fought be a much more advanced and multi geared Fighter albeit one that is as old as dirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelPavlik was either just plain shit or paid offQuote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Miles, bro, let's not rob Hopkins of the win he deservedly got today. It was an excellent show of technical skill. Taylor was unable to do it against Pavlik. :cool::cool::cool:
Ive always told people that Kelly was only a 1-2 puncher and the moment he fought someone with good movement he would look silly, he doesnt cover enough angles with his punches. I thought BHOP would be the guy to expose that, but didn't think he'd win because he wouldn't have the workrate.
Not only did bhop expose it, but he suprised me by keeping it up for 12 rounds, something i DID NOT expect. Atleast my prediction on kelly's weakness was correct. Go bhop
Im not robbing anybody. I said Hopkins schooled Pavlik and said it was an exceptional performance. He is 43, it is remarkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
But I think my arguments stand up. And its only right that constructive criticism plays a part in the aftermath. There is always room for questioning.
Nice sig though. " Hopkins. Unbelievable.";D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milesIm not robbing anybody. I said Hopkins schooled Pavlik and said it was an exceptional performance. He is 43, it is remarkable.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
But I think my arguments stand up. And its only right that constructive criticism plays a part in the aftermath. There is always room for questioning.
I think everyone accepts that Hopkins was awesome tonight. I thought Pavlik's workrate would see him through but Hopkins fought an exceptional fight and this victory is just another example of how great he truly is.
I wanna be the first to congrat Bhop from youngstown. He gave a clinic
I'm pleased for Hopkins.
I just hope he doesn't test positive for anything.
The one fight Pav fought outside of 160 was in JT 2 at 166 and he didn't have the same workrate. He's a work horse at 160.. but i think alot of people who studied his performance in the second JT fight saw he couldn't work hard above 160Quote:
Originally Posted by The PocketRocket
Didn't look like Kelly in there he never found the right distance to land any power right hands. Hopkins established his jab early and Kelly didn't. All credit to B-hop Pavlik couldn't get off. Were shell shocked here.
Yeah but he didn't throw nearly enough punches - Pavlik's trainer was being interviewed earlier this week saying that Kelly will be averaging 96 punches a round so the gameplan was definitely to go in there and outwork Hopkins but Pavlik seemed to go into his shell.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileThe one fight Pav fought outside of 160 was in JT 2 at 166 and he didn't have the same workrate. He's a work horse at 160.. but i think alot of people who studied his performance in the second JT fight saw he couldn't work hard above 160Quote:
Originally Posted by The PocketRocket
Gotcha. Defending is a must too though. Hopkins had the perfect plan. Kelly only punches at what is infront of him and when he has his feet planted. Hopkins never standing infront of him meant kelly wouldn't be able to throw punches. Kelly should really get some hooks in his arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by The PocketRocketYeah but he didn't throw nearly enough punches - Pavlik's trainer was being interviewed earlier this week saying that Kelly will be averaging 96 punches a round so the gameplan was definitely to go in there and outwork Hopkins but Pavlik seemed to go into his shell.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabileThe one fight Pav fought outside of 160 was in JT 2 at 166 and he didn't have the same workrate. He's a work horse at 160.. but i think alot of people who studied his performance in the second JT fight saw he couldn't work hard above 160Quote:
Originally Posted by The PocketRocket
Whenever bhop DID stop moving around him, he was throwing punches. So he kept kelly either defensive or confused - perfect execution.
:coolclick: excellent post, bang on the money. Somebody rep this guy I don't have enough posts yet. ( or maybe I can rep )Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
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