Oh dear, this is not shaping up nicely for the calzaghe haters!

So nard schools pavlik.

Nard looked fantastic! Hes a great athlete.

Hes beaten tarver, wright and pavlik at light heavy but lost to calzaghe.

Now then, calzaghe is due to fight jones, consensus is that he will win, perhaps not but lets say for this purpose that he does win.

Calzaghe has then beaten jones and hopkins.

Ok, heres where it gets interesting:

We now know that the (when calzaghe beat him, and this is where the double standard is totally hillarious) 'aged, past it hopkins' that calzaghe just edged out...TOTALLY FUKIN SCHOOLED KELLY PAVLIK!!!

He had great stamina against pavlik YET CALZAGHE HAD HIM TOTALLY GASSED OUT, COULD HARDLY MOVE AFTER THE 8TH ROUND AND LOST THE FIGHT!

So how does this work...nard is suddenly awesome again after the pavlik fight, BUT AFTER CALZAGHE FIGHTS HIM HES A 'PAST IT'...

WRONG ANSWER HATERS!

Hopkins is an awesome fighterm hes probably just as good and even better (at some things) than he ever was, esspec last night...YET CALZAGHE BEAT HIM!

So lets say calzaghe beats jones...

and then there is a rematch, calzaghe vs hopkins 2!!!

What an incredible fight this could be! A massive money maker! Steve bunce was saying how nard would want to make it his last fight and so would joe, both fighting at the millenium stadium in cardiff (as joes the champ).

SUPPOSE JOE THEN BEATS HOPKINS AGAIN!

These are all very probable and the most likely scenarios.

In this case, calzaghe has a 49,0,0 record, champ for 12 whole years, totally undefeated and undisputed at 2 weights, beating eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and HOPKINS AGAIN!

What happens then?

I'll tell you what happens then...calzaghe is greatest fighter in lasr decade! He ranks higher than hopkins, higher than jones fullstop and theres no fukin doubt about that.

Is anyone worried? Looks like the 'weak, p*ssy, brawling slapper' could beat nard twice now:D

It makes me laugh how after calzaghe beats nard and has him totally gassed out, nard is a 'past his prime 43 year old man' and calzaghe needs to 'get in the ring with the young prime pavlik'...yet hopkins then schools pavlik.

Sorry, but there are some people on here who really ought to know better. I could say they KNOW FUK ALL ABOUT BOXING but id be wrong! They actually are very knowledgable HOWEVER THEY ARE LETTING THEIR HATRED AND PREJUDICE GET IN THE WAY.

BOTTOM LINE IS...IF CALZAGHE BEATS JONES AND THEN HOPKINS AGAIN, THE GAMKE IS UP, THERE IS NO DOUBT, CALZAGHE = NUMBER 1 OUT OF THE 3 OF THEM.

Say what you will, but history is the judge.

Calzaghe gasses out and beat hopkins, everyone accused him of chasing the easy targets.

When calzaghe said pavlik wasnt on his level, everyone said how he was scared HAHAHAA HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA FUKIN PATHETIC!

Nard bashes the sh1t out of pavlik and then all of a sudden people dont think logically 'hmmmm, calzaghe bashed the sh1t out of lacy, out of kessler and beat (not bashed sh1t out of him as it was a very close fight, 2 great fighters) hopkins...so maybe, just maybe hes telling the truth and pavlik isnt on calzaghes level?'

NOPE...YOU ALL SAID HOW CALZAGHE IS A P*SSY FOR NOT FIGHTING PAVLIK, TOTALLY PATHETIC!

True colours showing.

Well then, who will be first to say that if calzaghe beats jones and then beats nard AGAIN that he is the best of the three fighters?

I mean it doesnt take a genius to realise that if a fighter has beaten someone twice (and jones once)...if indeed he does, plus with a record of 49,0,0 and reigning champ at 2 weights for 12 whole years...then this fighter is the real raw fukin deal!

But of course, the same old excuses will be made.

Its really a shame for boxing when this happens.

okay, you've made your point well.:cool:

First of all the Calzaghe's win is heavily debatable, it was a split decision, JOe didn't look very good at all(which is understandable) and Hopkins landed many more clean punches.

ALl that being said of course Calzaghe is the real fucking deal, nobody can deny that, to do so is retarded. But he isn't the same caliber of fighter that a prime Hopkins or a prime Roy Jones would be. He's a step below that. He is too flawed, but his gets away with it because he is quick and he is always in amazing shape, but Hopkins showed the flaws that Calzaghe would have against him or Roy JOnes Jr, but he was didn't have the output he once had to take advantage of those flaws, but he did early and made Calzaghe look stupid at times. BOth Calzaghe and Roy Jones Jr are unconventional, but Roy didn't leave himself open the same way Calzaghe does, he wasn't as aggressive, and that is why he got hit less, not to mention his vastly superior athletic ability. Calzaghe has good handspeed, but not good enough to bother Roy at all if he fought Roy before Jones went up to heavyweight.

You however are stating that Joe is the best fighter of the last decade when he clearly isn't. Floyd is a better then Calzaghe, Pacquaio has been more impressive, I think WInky Wright has been a better fighter as well, not to mention the obvious Bernard Hopkins. Calzaghe's fight against Bernard in retrospect whether he actually won or lost that fight was absolutely impressive, but Winky Wright who moved up way more fought an equally close fight with Bernard that could have gone either way, Taylor in their second fight IMO beat Hopkins the most clearly since Roy Jones Jr did. Which brings me back to another point, Roy beat a far younger, more hungry Hopkins with a broken hand much more one sidedly then Calzaghe did a 43 year old man. People will argue Hopkins was still green, but so to was ROy JOnes Jr(even moreso), and if you look back at the great fighters, they were all very good fighters by the time they were at the same stage Hopkins was in his career, and he was already a very, very good fighter, beat everybody but Mercado in one fight from that point on emphatically.

WHile Calzaghe's fight against Bernard and Kessler give him a ton of credit, he deserves almost none for fight Roy Jones Jr, who since his loss to Glen Johnson in 2004 has been considered Over. Calzaghe is just padding his wallet and his ego with this fight in which Roy doesn't really have that much of a chance on paper.

All in all Calzaghe's fights against Roy and Bernard will be void in terms of ATG because they are way past their prime, and Bernard still gave Calzaghe win or lose all he could handle.

Shine the light on Hopkins new triumphs,actually serves and deservedly credit's Joe even better.That hater mantra is tired.

Saying Calzaghe's win over Joe and Nard will automatically make him greater at this stage of the game is like saying Hearns beatdown of Leonard and eventual robbery put his place in history above that of Leonard and Hagler. Not quite, but the point is Joe's victory over Jones will mean nothing really, nothing. Jones was a magical fighter in his prime, he's not anymore at least it doesn't appear. Beating him right now means nothiing in terms of legacy because even when you go back and when people are boxrexing what a win over Jones means in 15 years they'll be turned off by the Tarver and Johnson losses long before they get to analyzing this one. That's true too.

Also, B Hop made Calzaghe a lot worse then Calzaghe made B Hop look. The general consensus at least as I remember was that Hopkins would have won had he not been an old man. I still think Hopkins won that too. Whatever, Hopkins victory over Pavlik was awesome, he looked better then he had in years. In round 1 of the Calzaghe fight I got really excited to see Hopkins take Calzaghe to school but eventually Calzaghe's will won him some rounds. Pavlik was just young and his will broken and he didn't have those 40+ fights Calzaghe had to fall back on and got taken to school all throughout. I would hope Calzaghe did better then Pavlik did...

Hopkins still the better fighter. I wish Winky and Calzaghe would go.

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Shine the light on Hopkins new triumphs,actually serves and deservedly credit's Joe even better.That hater mantra is tired.

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There is clearly a lot of emotion at play when certain people mention the name of Calzaghe. Its a simple thing to put aside blindness and just say I dont like the guys style or character....but at the end of the day he is a bloody good fighter!! I dont know why Im even quoting you here Spicoli, so excuse this, I cant be bothered to go back and start again. :-\

Joe is undoubtedly one of the best fighters of the modern era in my humble opinion. He's special in a way that is different to a Jones Jr or Mayweather type. But he is just as important. Joe has an unrivalled level of heart and determination.

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Damn that almost makes me want to cheer for Jones. :(

Think you should cut back on the lifting it's taking a toll on your opinions.... ;D
I was with you all the way through I thought you were making valid points and shppk my head in agreement up until you spit this one up. From there on I just stopped reading your post. Maybe the excitement got the best of you or maybe you just ran out of things to type.

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I'll tell you what happens then...calzaghe is greatest fighter in lasr decade! He ranks higher than hopkins, higher than jones fullstop and theres no fukin doubt about that.

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But there is NO WAY IN HELL that Calzaghe is the best fighter of the last decade. Maybe you meant the greatest British fighter of the last decade?

Decade is 10 yrs. right... So were in 2008 which means since 1998 and on.
Gonna throw some names out there let me know what you think.


Lennox Lewis
James Toney
Ricardo Lopez
Winky Wright
Kostya Tszyu
PBF
MAB
Morales
Pacquiao
JMM
Evander
SSM

Also, so you know MAB beat Morales twice. I personally still think Morales is the better fighter and rank Morales higher. Because Calzaghe beat Hopkins it doesn't mean he's ranked higher. SRL beat Duran twice yet Durans rated higher on a general sensus. Just thought I'd throw that out there for you.
Also you realize that Calzaghe did not come on to the scene until 2006 so that's about 8 yrs. he's giving up if we're going by a decade. Maybe you should say he's the greatest of the last 5 yrs? I think he'd def. have a shot at that one but even then I think Pacquiao would take that one. So maybe Calzaghes the best of the last 3 yrs... :)

it just sounds like to me that you are just happy pavlik lost. and that you want joe to be number 1 soooooooooooooooooooooooo bad well guess wat its not gonna ever happen. he never had no great moments like Bhop beating tito trinidad who was fighter of the year in 2000, and being the first guy to ko de la hoya and skipping a division to challenge the number 1 LHW in the world at the time. or even Roy Jones who started his career at JMW and went all the way to HW to win a strap which has been done in like a 106 years i think. so joes legacy will NEVER BE BETTER THAN Bernard Hopkins or Roy Jones Jr.

Look Calzaghe should have been fighting Pavlik but he opted to fight Jones Hopkins fought the dangerous Pavlik many thought he was going to get KO'd but no Hopkins schools him but now Calzaghe is getting praise how?? It was Hopkins that took the risk in fighting Pavlik Calzaghe played it safe vs Jones Calzaghe only just beat Hopkins if Calzaghe had fought Pavlik and schooled him then fair enough bring on the praise but it wasn't it was Hopkins.

....if calzaghe looses none of this will matter.

How does Hopkins winning have anything to do with Calzhage? I'm a Calzhage fan but can understand why he is hated; it's because of his fans. Why take one of Hopkins biggest wins and turn it into something about Calzhage? pathetic in my opinion.

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How does Hopkins winning have anything to do with Calzhage? I'm a Calzhage fan but can understand why he is hated; it's because of his fans. Why take one of Hopkins biggest wins and turn it into something about Calzhage? pathetic in my opinion.

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Not pathetic in my opinion, nobody is taking anything away from Hopkins and rightly so. It's just the so called Calzaghe 'haters' would use Hopkins' age and failing fitness as an excuse for his loss to Joe.

Hopkins' win over Pavlik just puts everything into perspective.

I dont hate calzaghe..

But my views contrast to yours as follows..

Personally i think Bernard beat Joey C.. I think joe fought bernards fight the whole 12 and while looking impressive considering he fought hopkins better then anyone other then roy jones.. i still think he lost and was pretty shocked by the cards.

Secondly just because Ex just schooled Kelly pavlik.. doesnt mean i count out kelly to beat calzaghe if they fought. i think styles make fights and i still give pavlik the same chance to beat joe.
just like the whole scenario between kelly, jermain taylor, bernard hopkins.. it doesnt cancel out the 'losses', but it just helps..

and yeah.. the whole caps thing doesnt make your opinions gospel..

your opinions are your opinions but extra emphasis doesnt make them true.

and frankly as far as legacy goes .. Bhop has the top spot of the 3 imo..
he's got a awesome resume.

then perhaps the winner of the jones - joey c fight takes second..
regardless of the winner i think Roy and joe have both missed out on big paydays and big events during their primes, Roy i feel gave more bang for buck and entertainment, fought better opposition.. and both have made up for the super fights they lacked early at the ends of their careers..

Its unfair but roy will get more credit for beating calzaghe then joe could get for beating roy.

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How does Hopkins winning have anything to do with Calzhage? I'm a Calzhage fan but can understand why he is hated; it's because of his fans. Why take one of Hopkins biggest wins and turn it into something about Calzhage? pathetic in my opinion.

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Its shows just how good Calzaghe is

The Joe haters would have you belive that Hopkins was washed up and that Joe would run into retirement instead of facing Pavlik. Now Hopkins tottally thrashed the Young American champion people know he is still a top p4p fighter and not washed up .

wouldnt surprise me if jones has been fully loaded on juice last few years anticipating a come back then coming off then to test clean.

he been busted on juice before why wouldnt he do it again

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How does Hopkins winning have anything to do with Calzhage? I'm a Calzhage fan but can understand why he is hated; it's because of his fans. Why take one of Hopkins biggest wins and turn it into something about Calzhage? pathetic in my opinion.

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Not pathetic in my opinion, nobody is taking anything away from Hopkins and rightly so. It's just the so called Calzaghe 'haters' would use Hopkins' age and failing fitness as an excuse for his loss to Joe.

Hopkins' win over Pavlik just puts everything into perspective.

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Personally I think its laughabe that people say that it proves how good Joe is.


How can you compare Joe's style with Pavlik's?

Hopkins will always tear apart that kind of style.

And Calzaghe didn't look good against Hopkins either, it is debated.

All it showed was that calzaghe isn't complete crap and can fight but he barely skid by against Hopkins(who dropped him with the first right hand he threw too)

If he beats Jones it doesn't put him past either of them.

I don't see what you mean that just because Hopkins beat Pavlik means that Joe is great?? Only if you thought Pavlik would have beat Joe, which in itself is a stretch.

So I don't see what perspective it puts things in that Hopkins tore up a style like pavliks. A style that isn't half as active as Joes and goes in looking for one shot, compared to Joe who likes to get inside and throw lots of punches.

The difference is

against Pavlik

Hopkins was active when he wanted to be, because of the style Pavlik gave him

Against Joe

Hopkins was active because he had to be because Joe came in and pressed and threw combos.

Joe made Hopkins move a lot more throw a lot more when he didn't want to and push the fight more then Pavlik did.

Which is why you can't compare the styles of Pavlik and Joe enough to say "Hopkins beat Pavlik makes Calzaghe all time greatest of the generation"

Thats just silly.

are steriods legal in Great Britain?

steroid laws in uk is soft.

you can buy and use them. but cant sell them. they are also very cheap here, probably a quarter of the price you see on the internet.

i dont use them myself but all my bodybuilding mates do.

dude, I want some HgH (technically not a steroid)... If I were in Great Britain or Canada or close to Mexico (all of California gets them there; surprisingly safe?... "take the steroids, just don't drink the water?" LMAO) I would take them. The problem is just getting a hold of the right ones. BTW I wouldn't recommend anyone under the age of 25 taking them, as well as applying all other standard caveats.


but here we go, this will inevitably spark some steroid conversation. Wasn't Fernando Vargas busted for using them after ODLH beat his ass? Whatever happened to Sugar Shane's mix up with BALCO?