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I was thinking last night about Abraham vs Pavlik wondering how that would go and i was thinking of how Arthur Abraham demolished Edison Miranda which got me thinking will Edison Miranda ever win a world title or will he always be a nearly man. I really like Miranda and would love to see him get a world title but im not sure he will perhaps he has a good chance of getting in on the Super middleweight titles but im still not sure what do you guys think?
I think he is powerful enough to win a version.
But if he does stay at 168lb that division is deep so maybe not.
But i think he will at some point.
I think (and hope) so there are definitely title holders that are a lot worse than Edison; if Edison got a good trainer he could be a threat as he has power and a decent chin it's his terrible defense and technique that let him down.
I don't think so...Miranda or should I say his people can not nget it out of their thick heads to change on his style...Power is not enough...add some more defense....
He is too easy to figure ot and beat....
He will only remain to have a punchers chance and ifn he does win one he would not reign long
Shame really because I like the guy
No.
Honestly, how hard is it to win an alphabet trinket? Of course he will win one.
If you are talking about being THE champ of any division, I say no.
No he is kind of like the John Mugabi of his era but not as good and not as powerful. Don't be suprised if he starts getting blown out by lesser opponents like John Mugabi did.
Don't see him beating, or being one of the better super middles in the world. Whether he is matched up softly enough to win some trinket at some point who knows, but I definetly wouldn't see him being a top 5 fighter even assuming he cant make 160 anymore.
All the top fighters at Super Middleweight are bad style match ups for him, Lucian Bute is tall and is a good outside fighter, the same with Mikkel Kessler but he is better technically than Lucian Bute.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Librado Andrade has an iron chin and is very strong, he would force Edison Miranda on the backfoot, where Edison Miranda is at his weakest which showed against Kelly Pavlik.
Not sure about Denis Inkin haven't seen enough of him, and Carl Froch is still untested and his defense is leaky. But other than that could can Edison Miranda really beat at Super Middleweight ?
If froch can beat Pascal I would love to see him fight Miranda, two explosive punchers, which will result in an excellent fight. Hes been unlucky miranda, a fully focused miranda causes problems for any fighter at 160-168 IMO.
How has Edison Miranda been unlucky ? he was beaten fair and square by Kelly Pavlik, Arthur Abraham, and he would of been very focused for the rematch against Arthur Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
AA I do admit he got beaten fair and square, not in the first fight though, but fair enough he was for the rematch. He was looking over Kelly and got what he deserved. Hes still a force at 160-168 and he will be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow has Edison Miranda been unlucky ? he was beaten fair and square by Kelly Pavlik, Arthur Abraham, and he would of been very focused for the rematch against Arthur Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I'd say no, when all else fails miranda will always be able to be out-boxed by any of the top fighters out there.
Who knows. But he's just too one-dimesnsional for my liking though. But anything can happen and I had him clearly winning the first AA fight and the first 3 rounds of the rematch.
Exactly, with so many belts out there, he should be able to win one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
Win against who though ? he can't beat Arthur Abraham or Kelly Pavlik, the only other name at 160 with a belt is Felix Sturm. And i don't think Edison Miranda is really eager to go to Germany again after his last experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRazorExactly, with so many belts out there, he should be able to win one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
At 168 he won't beat Mikkel Kessler, Lucian Bute, Librado Andrade, i haven't seen enough of Denis Inkin and like i said earlier Carl Froch is untested. But who do you think Edison Miranda can actually win a belt against ? because im struggling to think of any belt holder he can beat at 160/168.
If he sticks around long enough, he could get something. Is his next fight @ 175 or is he staying @ 168? If he could make 160, I could see him knocking out Sturm with one big shot. Didn't Francisco from Spain stop Sturm a while back too? Also, can we count IBO belts? He'd have a punchers chance against the winner between Manfredo & Bika.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBWin against who though ? he can't beat Arthur Abraham or Kelly Pavlik, the only other name at 160 with a belt is Felix Sturm. And i don't think Edison Miranda is really eager to go to Germany again after his last experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackRazorExactly, with so many belts out there, he should be able to win one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
At 168 he won't beat Mikkel Kessler, Lucian Bute, Librado Andrade, i haven't seen enough of Denis Inkin and like i said earlier Carl Froch is untested. But who do you think Edison Miranda can actually win a belt against ? because im struggling to think of any belt holder he can beat at 160/168.
He might win something like the WBF or some other unknown but I never see him being the ring champ or anything like that
Ive decided that ANY fighter can win a "Title" once Sergio Mora accomplished it :-X.But if we are speaking about a Title of any significance at 168,I just don't see it at all.He was not only KO'd vs. Abraham...he was going down in ugly fashion.
Sergio Mora is in possibly the weakest division in boxing at the moment, thats why he won a belt. The Middleweight/Super Middleweight divisions are stacked with talented fighters, which is a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
Exactly....thats what I said.....in a round about way ;D. I think the blueprint is out on Miranda & he looks to be more effected by shots.Though I have always wanted to see a Miranda vs. Andrade scrap,a war while it last's.I like Andrade by stoppage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBSergio Mora is in possibly the weakest division in boxing at the moment, thats why he won a belt. The Middleweight/Super Middleweight divisions are stacked with talented fighters, which is a big difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
LMAO i would give him a punchers chance but he can only make 168 at the moment so right now i say no.
IMO Mora is a better fighter than Miranda. Flame away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins
All I have is a book of wet matches on that one ;D.Put it this way,Mora has obtained his Championship.I think Pantera is done in the bigger picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHIMO Mora is a better fighter than Miranda. Flame away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins