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Does anybody else hate the fanboyism that dominates the boxing talk board?
I know I'm not alone in this but I think the main board here has been taken over and ruined by fanyboys in the last year or so.
More and more it seems the veteran posters are joining me in the Hidden boards rather than debate boxing and it's not difficult to see why.
There are so many fanboys and knobs on the main board who turn every thread into a pissing contest about how one fighter is better than another or someone is crap and someone else is overatted.
It's all so gay and unnessary.
First off to those who say Calzaghe is shit, and to those who say Hopkins is shit, please BOTH are exceptional fighters who have EXCEPTIONAL resume's. Why feel the need to denigrate either of their acheivements?
Hopkins wins over Oscar, Trinidad, Tarver, Winky and Pavlik are all great wins. The weight issues just show that Hopkins was smart enough to fight the fights on his terms but don't detract from the fact that he won them all. He's a truly elite fighter, one of the best ever and should be enjoyed whilst we still can.
Calzaghe likewise has beaten every man he's ever faced, has wins over the British legend Chris Eubank, the two most dangerous 168 lb fighters in Kessler and Lacy and a win over a boxing legend in B Hop. In addition he goes on to fight Roy Jones in another huge resume defining fight. You can nitpick but you can nitpick about EVERY fighter who has ever fought.
It's a fact that there is not a single example in the history of boxing where a fighter has beaten another great elite fighter in their prime that couldn't be explained away.
Just have a go. Ali Ko'ing Liston, fight was fixed, Woolcott reffing didn't allow Liston to get up, it was a phantom punch that never landed etc.
Ali beating Foreman, Foreman was poisoned, something put in his drinking water.
Pacquaio Ko'ing Barrera, Barrera couldn;t concentrate because of all the metal head destractions leading up to the fight.
Barrera beating Hamed, Hamed didn't train and thought he was going to win easily.
Hopkins beating Tarver, Tarver had to lose over 50 lbs in weight after the Rocky film, you can excuse away every fight win ever in history
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Now the second thing that really annoys me is when people say someone is overatted and then if they lose make a post to highlight how they were right and they finally got justification for their hating :rolleyes:
What do people even mean when they say someone is overatted? It's like they are think these boxers are deliberate fraudsters, trying to deceive us out f our money and time to watch them under false pretexes.
This is an important newsflash to fanboys. There is no such thing as an overtated fighter in the eyes of the casual fight fan.
From the fan's point of view boxing is an entertainment sport and people watch the fighters that they are interested in. Their ability rarely comes into it.
Pavlik was popular because he was exciting. He Ko'd the equally huge punching Miranda, and fought a fight of the year slugfest with Jermain Taylor wresting the title away from him in dramatic style. In addition he's a working class kid from an impoverished area and THAT'S why his story appeals. The average person doesn't do a boxrec search, study their opponents and examine punch stats from each fight to determine how good a fighter actually is before they decide they want to pay for a PPV they watch them because they are entertained by that fighter.
All this overatted bullshit just pisses me off.
I don't understand why people want someone to fail just so they can say 'I told you so' thinking it makes them look smart when in fact it's the easiest way in the world to make yourself sound like a complete and total dick hole.
Ok I've had my rant over, I don't really enjoy posting on the boxing talk threads as nearly every thread is slagging off one fighter or another or announcing how 'I was right all along about a certain fighter so please come into this thread and acknowledge how clever I am' threads.
That's why I'd rather stick to the hidden boards and talk about my bowel movements and organise fantasy based fancy dress parties for the Baggins Clan.
Thankyou :)
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I totally agree mate, since i have come back here, it has changed alot and is more and more reminding me of that pathetic excuse of a boxing forum Eastside, thats why i spend less time here then when i use to when i was about previously.
Dont get me wrong the majoirty of people here are great posters like yourself and hundereds of others but there are to many idiots for my liking these days.
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fanboyism: Definition from definitions.com;D
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very true i dont post over the week before or after a big fight, just due to there being pages and pages of nuthuggin going on, and you cant make a personal opinion without the newbs swarming you, something must be done!!! ;D
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skel1983
I totally agree mate, since i have come back here, it has changed alot and is more and more reminding me of that pathetic excuse of a boxing forum Eastside, thats why i spend less time here then when i use to when i was about previously.
Dont get me wrong the majoirty of people here are great posters like yourself and hundereds of others but there are to many idiots for my liking these days.
You'll find that most of the veteran posters are still here we just post more and more in the hidden boards now. I'd rather swap True Blood theories with Boxing Gorilla and Diane than compare boxrec searches with an internet warrior these days
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skel1983
I totally agree mate, since i have come back here, it has changed alot and is more and more reminding me of that pathetic excuse of a boxing forum Eastside, thats why i spend less time here then when i use to when i was about previously.
Dont get me wrong the majoirty of people here are great posters like yourself and hundereds of others but there are to many idiots for my liking these days.
You'll find that most of the veteran posters are still here we just post more and more in the hidden boards now. I'd rather swap True Blood theories with Boxing Gorilla and Diane than compare boxrec searches with an internet warrior these days
Sam's def a warewolf, Bilbs... Running throught the field naked in the morning?... Yeah.
WTF was with the gloves and roling around in the dead chicks bed?.
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Bilbo
I know I'm not alone in this but I think the main board here has been taken over and ruined by fanyboys in the last year or so.
More and more it seems the veteran posters are joining me in the Hidden boards rather than debate boxing and it's not difficult to see why.
There are so many fanboys and knobs on the main board who turn every thread into a pissing contest about how one fighter is better than another or someone is crap and someone else is overatted.
It's all so gay and unnessary.
First off to those who say Calzaghe is shit, and to those who say Hopkins is shit, please BOTH are exceptional fighters who have EXCEPTIONAL resume's. Why feel the need to denigrate either of their acheivements?
Hopkins wins over Oscar, Trinidad, Tarver, Winky and Pavlik are all great wins. The weight issues just show that Hopkins was smart enough to fight the fights on his terms but don't detract from the fact that he won them all. He's a truly elite fighter, one of the best ever and should be enjoyed whilst we still can.
Calzaghe likewise has beaten every man he's ever faced, has wins over the British legend Chris Eubank, the two most dangerous 168 lb fighters in Kessler and Lacy and a win over a boxing legend in B Hop. In addition he goes on to fight Roy Jones in another huge resume defining fight. You can nitpick but you can nitpick about EVERY fighter who has ever fought.
It's a fact that there is not a single example in the history of boxing where a fighter has beaten another great elite fighter in their prime that couldn't be explained away.
Just have a go. Ali Ko'ing Liston, fight was fixed, Woolcott reffing didn't allow Liston to get up, it was a phantom punch that never landed etc.
Ali beating Foreman, Foreman was poisoned, something put in his drinking water.
Pacquaio Ko'ing Barrera, Barrera couldn;t concentrate because of all the metal head destractions leading up to the fight.
Barrera beating Hamed, Hamed didn't train and thought he was going to win easily.
Hopkins beating Tarver, Tarver had to lose over 50 lbs in weight after the Rocky film, you can excuse away every fight win ever in history
:rolleyes:
Now the second thing that really annoys me is when people say someone is overatted and then if they lose make a post to highlight how they were right and they finally got justification for their hating :rolleyes:
What do people even mean when they say someone is overatted? It's like they are think these boxers are deliberate fraudsters, trying to deceive us out f our money and time to watch them under false pretexes.
This is an important newsflash to fanboys. There is no such thing as an overtated fighter in the eyes of the casual fight fan.
From the fan's point of view boxing is an entertainment sport and people watch the fighters that they are interested in. Their ability rarely comes into it.
Pavlik was popular because he was exciting. He Ko'd the equally huge punching Miranda, and fought a fight of the year slugfest with Jermain Taylor wresting the title away from him in dramatic style. In addition he's a working class kid from an impoverished area and THAT'S why his story appeals. The average person doesn't do a boxrec search, study their opponents and examine punch stats from each fight to determine how good a fighter actually is before they decide they want to pay for a PPV they watch them because they are entertained by that fighter.
All this overatted bullshit just pisses me off.
I don't understand why people want someone to fail just so they can say 'I told you so' thinking it makes them look smart when in fact it's the easiest way in the world to make yourself sound like a complete and total dick hole.
Ok I've had my rant over, I don't really enjoy posting on the boxing talk threads as nearly every thread is slagging off one fighter or another or announcing how 'I was right all along about a certain fighter so please come into this thread and acknowledge how clever I am' threads.
That's why I'd rather stick to the hidden boards and talk about my bowel movements and organise fantasy based fancy dress parties for the Baggins Clan.
Thankyou :)
Good Post.
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skel1983
I totally agree mate, since i have come back here, it has changed alot and is more and more reminding me of that pathetic excuse of a boxing forum Eastside, thats why i spend less time here then when i use to when i was about previously.
Dont get me wrong the majoirty of people here are great posters like yourself and hundereds of others but there are to many idiots for my liking these days.
You'll find that most of the veteran posters are still here we just post more and more in the hidden boards now. I'd rather swap True Blood theories with Boxing Gorilla and Diane than compare boxrec searches with an internet warrior these days
Sam's def a warewolf, Bilbs... Running throught the field naked in the morning?... Yeah.
WTF was with the gloves and roling around in the dead chicks bed?.
Yeah he's definitely got some dark secret
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Yah, this stuff makes it all kinda boring.
I find that issues regarding weight get tossed around as excuses for losing far too often...
"My guy should stay at junior welterweight, he's just not that good at welterweight" Never mind the fact that welterweight division is heavily populated with better fighters. Or how about "if they'd fought at junior welterweight, my hero would have won".
"The weight drop from Heavyweight to Lightheavy obviously was affecting him" ... more than two years after the fact.
So and So was a natural welterweight, so you can't say the guy who beat him at middleweight is better.
The list goes on. If your favorite fighter is all that great, he should be able to deal with weight changes. Most of the great ones have.
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Bilbo what do you expect, everybody has a fighter theyre a fan of, thats why people follow the sport.
It wether or not you can be objective about it.Everybody knows Im a fan of Bernard
And I can objectively say, I hope he finally does retire,and even with his debatable recent losses,its really his own fault for trying to coast through the late rounds. You can make a case that overall he won,but if he'd kept working in there,it wouldnt have been close enough for him to lose the decisions.
I kind of like Kessler,but if he knew his hand was hurt,he should have postponed the fight. And Mikkels managment are idiots for letting Warren rake them over the coals like that.
Ali is god to me,but the Holmes and Berbick fights were abortions
Holmes is a big fave,and it was depressing to watch him beat up on Esche while begging to fight Foreman.
And your complaint thread is a loosly vieled attempt to justify Joes career. And wether you like it or not,nobody can say he conclusively beat Bernard,Kessler was hurt,Lacy wasnt ready and probably wasnt as good as some people thought,and Eubank was washed up.
There isnt any great triumph on Joe's record,and people are allways going to resent that there isnt.
Though him fighting Jones in their primes not happening is not Joe's fault, its Roys,Joe wanted him bad,so did B-hop
Roy is only fighting him now because he's desperate for one last good payday
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I really don't think that in the good three years that I'm a member of this site anything changed(much)...there will always be "fanboyism" and there will always be members coming and going...some are idiots and some are pretty cool...:lickish:
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Bilbo! Nice post. I enjoy listening to rants. Fanboyism can get annoying but it is what it is.
I learn to take it with the territory. Every celeb or athlete has die-hard fans. If someone didn't disagree with me, there would be harmony and a forum is no place for harmony. It's supposed to be about people with different views and opinions and if people can open their minds and accept another's opinion, that great, but it usually doesn't happen.
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gally
very true i dont post over the week before or after a big fight, just due to there being pages and pages of nuthuggin going on, and you cant make a personal opinion without the newbs swarming you, something must be done!!! ;D
After the Pacquiao vs Marquez rematch this forum went crazy!! I was utterly disgusted by the "Pac dominated Marquez" or "Marquez schooled Pac" comments that I wanted to throw up, when in fact, the fight was one of the best fights of this year. I ended up writing a rant about it and I was given good advice about how this forum can get "big fight syndrome."
So now-a-days I give it a couple of days after a big fight before I come back on. Considering the dominating performance Hopkins gave this weekend, I waited until Monday before I posted anything.
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I hate your whiny ass threads you have been starting......dating back like SINCE YOU BECAME A MEMBER. What a fag.
What is worse......you want to be a mod and then you have this big ass wimpy thread in the boxing talk board.
In conclusion:
a. You whine too often.
b. You whine in inapporiate places.
c. Your whining is unoriginal and stagnant.
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Don't forget to mention the anti-fanboyism, which is just another side of the same coin. It can be as good or worse depending on which side you are...
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boozeboxer
I hate your whiny ass threads you have been starting......dating back like SINCE YOU BECAME A MEMBER. What a fag.
What is worse......you want to be a mod and then you have this big ass wimpy thread in the boxing talk board.
In conclusion:
a. You whine too often.
b. You whine in inapporiate places.
c. Your whining is unoriginal and stagnant.
what about
d. All of the above.
LOL just kiddin Bilbo, ur ok to me.:)
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Excuses for fighters and opions are like assholes, everyone has one and uses them all the time.
Bilbo, if you find the people in the hidden boards more to your liking, then why come on to the main board at all? Rep points is why. You can take on a new poster and get reps for doing it.
The current happenings on the main boards are nothing new. They all learn after awhile if they stick around.
To me, the main boards are where all the chest thumping, back slapping, outlandish statements are made. the Hidden forums are where the real people hang out and really get to know each other better.
Non-Fiction
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It doesn't bother me too much. I find people annoying for all sorts of reasons. If I know a poster makes threads, and they typically are all the same, as in grovelling over one particular boxer...I just don't open them any more.
Recently I became a fan of a fighter, as in, decided he was my guy and I was gonna jump on the bandwagon so to speak, as I liked what he was about. My first time doing so. That was just recently, and it was Kelly Pavlik. ha Look how that turned out...
But anyway, I still like him, because it wasn't just about boxing for me...I like his personality as well and won't throw him under the bus because of his first loss. I hope he will learn and improve.
Also though, I won't open threads from people, even Pavlik fans, if they are a one trick pony. It's really that simple, IMO.
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The last Bastion of huggery died when Pavlik lost.
Irrtational and un substantiated hate is on the rise!
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boozeboxer
I hate your whiny ass threads you have been starting......dating back like SINCE YOU BECAME A MEMBER. What a fag.
What is worse......you want to be a mod and then you have this big ass wimpy thread in the boxing talk board.
In conclusion:
a. You whine too often.
b. You whine in inapporiate places.
c. Your whining is unoriginal and stagnant.
You know me and you should get on more booze. I'm a whiny, melancholy, grumpy, sullen sod on this board and so are you. We both view others with irritation and disdain, we both grumble about our wretched lives.
The only difference is I at least get laid now and again whilst you get laid never.
But you shouldn't take that out on me. We are kindred spirits booze and you know it.
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I understand your point,but if it was'nt for the debates on these fight threads then this world and site would just be too "HAPPY"..."I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU LOVE ME!"
I dont like people who talk shite on here,but if everybody had the same view on the noble art game then it would be too boring!!:-\
Call it a EQUAL BALENCE!!!;)
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I understand your point,but if it was'nt for the debates on these fight threads then this world and site would just be too "HAPPY"..."I LOVE YOU BECAUSE YOU LOVE ME!"
I dont like people who talk shite on here,but if everybody had the same view on the noble art game then it would be too boring!!:-\
Call it a EQUAL BALENCE!!!;)
I call it fukin fun i love watching these guys debate or argue whateva u wanna call it. i already had my fun with markusdarkus so i will just sit back and watch n post a lil for the rest of the day. rite now it looks like this:gossip::twak::liar::plzdie::fart3::argue:
and here is me:woot22:
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I didn't read it all but I wouldn't think Bilbo would be qualified to make a judgement on the boxing board. People are fans, Winky is my favorite fighter. I can debate with Northside on woho won Winky's fight with Taylor and I'm sure it would be charged with fanboyism from both but doesn't mean it can't be a good thread. In summation, shut up Bilbo.
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everyother single proper sport in the world there are fans, die hard fans way way more than boxing, fuck me people get they shit beat out of them, or beat the shit out of others weekly in footy. people even kill...
yet when someone who has grown up a huge fan of a fighter still talks about him, they get stick because its boxing? they are a "fan boy"
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everyother single proper sport in the world there are fans, die hard fans way way more than boxing, fuck me people get they shit beat out of them, or beat the shit out of others weekly in footy. people even kill...
yet when someone who has grown up a huge fan of a fighter still talks about him, they get stick because its boxing? they are a "fan boy"
Fan boy.
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Preme
everyother single proper sport in the world there are fans, die hard fans way way more than boxing, fuck me people get they shit beat out of them, or beat the shit out of others weekly in footy. people even kill...
yet when someone who has grown up a huge fan of a fighter still talks about him, they get stick because its boxing? they are a "fan boy"
Fan boy.
So?
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Preme
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ICB
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Preme
everyother single proper sport in the world there are fans, die hard fans way way more than boxing, fuck me people get they shit beat out of them, or beat the shit out of others weekly in footy. people even kill...
yet when someone who has grown up a huge fan of a fighter still talks about him, they get stick because its boxing? they are a "fan boy"
Fan boy.
So?
Nothing just fan boy.
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Isn't the whole idea of the Baggins clan to recruit Pac nuthuggers that will rep you every day in exchange for your protection from well deserved criticism? All in all I think you probably take this place way to seriously. If you deem somebody to be a fanboy incapable of putting forth anything reasonable or intelligent, why bother to respond? Kinda sad isn't it?
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Isn't the whole idea of the Baggins clan to recruit Pac nuthuggers that will rep you every day in exchange for your protection from well deserved criticism? All in all I think you probably take this place way to seriously. If you deem somebody to be a fanboy incapable of putting forth anything reasonable or intelligent, why bother to respond? Kinda sad isn't it?
Believe me I don't take this place seriously. :p
I just find it annoying that every time a fighter wins or loses you'll get a bunch of people telling us why the win didn't mean anything, why the guy who lost was clearly overatted, and why one fighter is great whilst another sucks.
It's gay fanboy shit, and if it's ok to be a fanboy on this site and be anti one fighter whilst sucking the cum out of another fighters japs eye then its ok for me to be an anti fanboy.
As for the Baggins clan recruiting Pacman nuthuggers this is no longer the case.
The Baggins clan recruits the forums best 'character's' i.e plopeater eats his own shit so he's in, Clubber kills frogs, punches walls and has never spoken to a girl before, he's in, Kid Thunder is possibly the worst boxer of all time and a youtube star, obviously he's in.
We are an assortment of unlikely hero's but hero's nonetheless
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Guess it just doesn't seem like anything new to me? There's always been some morons on this board, and generally the fanboys are going to fall under that category. Don't know why I'm arguing the point though, I really don't contribute anything myself and don't go on the other boards as they aren't really to do with boxing. I've always just skimmed around this forum to get a bit of perspective on the sport because it's the best venue I've found to keep up to date on it. Of course only the odd post is actually of any interest but so what? There's no reason to respond to every little flame war some goof tries to start, much less start one of your own as if you have some sort of cross to bear.
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Guess it just doesn't seem like anything new to me? There's always been some morons on this board, and generally the fanboys are going to fall under that category. Don't know why I'm arguing the point though, I really don't contribute anything myself and don't go on the other boards as they aren't really to do with boxing. I've always just skimmed around this forum to get a bit of perspective on the sport because it's the best venue I've found to keep up to date on it. Of course only the odd post is actually of any interest but so what? There's no reason to respond to every little flame war some goof tries to start, much less start one of your own as if you have some sort of cross to bear.
If I want to start a flame war I will damn well start one :D
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It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.
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It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.
Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots :rolleyes:
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Kirkland Laing
It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.
Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots :rolleyes:
It's funny because a lot of people who are countrymen of Calzaghe say "You Americans can't give our fighters any credit" when a bunch of the worst Joe haters are from the same place.
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Kirkland Laing
It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.
Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots :rolleyes:
I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.
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Kirkland Laing
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Bilbo
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Kirkland Laing
It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.
Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots :rolleyes:
I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.
Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...
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Bilbo
Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots :rolleyes:
I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.
Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...
I didn't like the safety-first thing. He was still great at what he did but Calzaghe gets stuck in. Much more entertaining and he shows much more boxing skills. I'd probably put Nigel Benn second, I tend to go for excitement. :)
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I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.
Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...
I didn't like the safety-first thing. He was still great at what he did but Calzaghe gets stuck in. Much more entertaining and he shows much more boxing skills. I'd probably put Nigel Benn second, I tend to go for excitement. :)
I respect that. If you're going for excitement then Joe can arguably be greater than Lennox Lewis. I was thinking along the lines of opposition and the fact that he has never faced anyone he hasn't beaten.
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Re: Does anybody else hate the fanboyism that dominates the boxing talk board?
I have to say that I think pretty much everyone on here will probably have a favourite fighter and they will fight their corner all day long. Mine is Roy Jones. I read every single article in newspapers and Boxing mags and so on and I probably know more about his career than any other boxer.
But at the same time I like to think I'm fair about what I am saying. Just the other week someone posted a thread about who would have won between Roy and Tyson and I quite simply answered honestly that I thought Tyson would be far too much with his superior size and to be honest I can't stand Tyson, though I do respect he had one of the greatest punches in the history of the heavyweight division.
I have no problem with this so called "fanboyism" in fact I like to see people standing their mans corner whether I agree with what they are saying or not. For example I know Lyle is a huge fan of Wlad Klitschko and sometimes I feel as though he overrates him but whenever I or anybody else comes up with an argument against what he is saying he always comes back with his theories behind what he is thinking, that creates good topics and is what makes these threads on here entertaining for me.
I honestly think you are being a bit harsh towards people who want to see their man do well.
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Re: Does anybody else hate the fanboyism that dominates the boxing talk board?
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It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.
Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots :rolleyes:
It's funny because a lot of people who are countrymen of Calzaghe say "You Americans can't give our fighters any credit" when a bunch of the worst Joe haters are from the same place.
That just shows you that even people frm the same country dont like Calzaghe. Now wat does that say?
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Re: Does anybody else hate the fanboyism that dominates the boxing talk board?
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Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...
I didn't like the safety-first thing. He was still great at what he did but Calzaghe gets stuck in. Much more entertaining and he shows much more boxing skills. I'd probably put Nigel Benn second, I tend to go for excitement. :)
I respect that. If you're going for excitement then Joe can arguably be greater than Lennox Lewis. I was thinking along the lines of opposition and the fact that he has never faced anyone he hasn't beaten.
If Calzaghe beats Roy Jones to me his resume will be better than Lennox.
Lennoxes defining fights were against Tyson and Holyfield. Nobody can convince me that Mike Tyson and Evander Hoylfield were any less shot than Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones when Calzaghe got to them
Tyson had already been knocked out twice, disqualified once to avoid getting knocked out, had been in jail and was a shell of his former self.
Holyfield had been knocked out by Riddick Bowe, almost KO'd by Bert Cooper and was 38 years old and considered well past his best.
I don't see how those wins are any better than beating Bernard Hopkins who was the current Ring champ at 175 and has just pitched a shutout against the Ring Middleweight champ in his fight after losing to Joe.
Jones Jr has been knocked out twice just like Tyson but he's on a win streak and is considered p4p one of the best fighters of all time.
If Joe beats him, Jones and Hopkins are his Tyson and Holyfield imo.
Guys like Kessler, Lacy and Eubank approximate well to Klitschko, Ruddock, Bruno etc so I really don't see what Lewis did to achieve more.
When you factor in also that Lewis got ktfo twice whereas Calzaghe has never lost a fight then in my mind it's really hard not to put Calzaghe above Lewis IF he beats Roy Jones.