Does anybody else hate the fanboyism that dominates the boxing talk board?

[Kirkland Laing]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

[Kev]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.

We are a country of patriots

[C-Lo]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots

It's funny because a lot of people who are countrymen of Calzaghe say "You Americans can't give our fighters any credit" when a bunch of the worst Joe haters are from the same place.

[kingfrnk]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.
We are a country of patriots

It's funny because a lot of people who are countrymen of Calzaghe say "You Americans can't give our fighters any credit" when a bunch of the worst Joe haters are from the same place.

That just shows you that even people frm the same country dont like Calzaghe. Now wat does that say?

[Spicoli]

Fanatic fan boys seem to come out mainly around the big fights Like cockroaches,once the lights turn on and the show is over,they scurry away.It is a boxing forum after all,bound to be some fisticuffs.It's when it goes all button pushing and "hater this,hater that"....like a school yard,that you say why bother.As Caleoh 12 mentioned just look at the aftermath of Pac/Marquez.....that was just insane and pure crap.I actually had a sick feeling watching the front board turn into a giant litter box for many who insisted on defecating all over it.It was all you could do to not become what you disliked in others and start throwing bombs.Pitiful !!

It's when people insist on tearing down fighters,really ANY fighters (except of course:Tarver/Tye fields/Zahir raheem/Butterlard/Christ Martin/John Ruiz/.....ok, I kid.But really when we berate and shred fighters with so much ease and borderline enjoyment in an attempt to enhance a favorite,a real disservice is done to both.Excuses are a dime a dozen and prevalent when things do not go a fighters way.You have to be consistent.Just try this one day,and call me naive....."Hey,I was wrong"!!Nice change of pace sometimes although that certainly would shut down the discussions huh?

Also,the worst are the f!!!!!g Spammers coming out....they should be hunted down and run over with a bus.

[Kirkland Laing]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.

We are a country of patriots

I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.

[C-Lo]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.

We are a country of patriots

I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.

Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...

[Kirkland Laing]

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.

We are a country of patriots

I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.

Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...

I didn't like the safety-first thing. He was still great at what he did but Calzaghe gets stuck in. Much more entertaining and he shows much more boxing skills. I'd probably put Nigel Benn second, I tend to go for excitement.

[C-Lo]

I don't mind that either, at least you know it's honest and not something else. I think it's just unfortunate for them -- probably the best british fighter they'll ever see and they don't like him.

Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...

I didn't like the safety-first thing. He was still great at what he did but Calzaghe gets stuck in. Much more entertaining and he shows much more boxing skills. I'd probably put Nigel Benn second, I tend to go for excitement.

I respect that. If you're going for excitement then Joe can arguably be greater than Lennox Lewis. I was thinking along the lines of opposition and the fact that he has never faced anyone he hasn't beaten.

[Kev]

Even though I didn't like him during his reign, I think Lennox Lewis is the best British fighter...

I didn't like the safety-first thing. He was still great at what he did but Calzaghe gets stuck in. Much more entertaining and he shows much more boxing skills. I'd probably put Nigel Benn second, I tend to go for excitement.

I respect that. If you're going for excitement then Joe can arguably be greater than Lennox Lewis. I was thinking along the lines of opposition and the fact that he has never faced anyone he hasn't beaten.

If Calzaghe beats Roy Jones to me his resume will be better than Lennox.

Lennoxes defining fights were against Tyson and Holyfield. Nobody can convince me that Mike Tyson and Evander Hoylfield were any less shot than Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones when Calzaghe got to them

Tyson had already been knocked out twice, disqualified once to avoid getting knocked out, had been in jail and was a shell of his former self.

Holyfield had been knocked out by Riddick Bowe, almost KO'd by Bert Cooper and was 38 years old and considered well past his best.

I don't see how those wins are any better than beating Bernard Hopkins who was the current Ring champ at 175 and has just pitched a shutout against the Ring Middleweight champ in his fight after losing to Joe.

Jones Jr has been knocked out twice just like Tyson but he's on a win streak and is considered p4p one of the best fighters of all time.

If Joe beats him, Jones and Hopkins are his Tyson and Holyfield imo.

Guys like Kessler, Lacy and Eubank approximate well to Klitschko, Ruddock, Bruno etc so I really don't see what Lewis did to achieve more.

When you factor in also that Lewis got ktfo twice whereas Calzaghe has never lost a fight then in my mind it's really hard not to put Calzaghe above Lewis IF he beats Roy Jones.

[ICB]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.

We are a country of patriots

I ain't no Joe Calzaghe hater i just question his record when the topic is brought up, but i have gave him credit many times. Secondly whether a fighter is from the UK or isn't doesn't really matter to me, i either like a fighter or i don't and i don't care where a fighter comes from.

For example i wanted Floyd Mayweather Jr to thrash Ricky Hatton, because i prefer Floyd Mayweather's slick style more than Ricky Hatton's messy hugging brawling style. And i wanted Evander Holyfield to beat Lennox Lewis, because Evander Holyfield got me into boxing, and i liked his exciting style much more Lennox Lewis's jab-fest safety first boring style.

[Gandalf]

It's not so much fanboyism, it's the England/Europe/US thing, and the other various national battles, Pacman etc. It would be great if people could view the fighters not through a nationalistic prism. The fanboy stuff I can handle.

Actually most of the outspoken Calzaghe haters, TysonBruno, Dark Lord Al, ICB and LeftyLee are all British.

We are a country of patriots

I ain't no Joe Calzaghe hater i just question his record when the topic is brought up, but i have gave him credit many times. Secondly whether a fighter is from the UK or isn't doesn't really matter to me, i either like a fighter or i don't and i don't care where a fighter comes from.

For example i wanted Floyd Mayweather Jr to thrash Ricky Hatton, because i prefer Floyd Mayweather's slick style more than Ricky Hatton's messy hugging brawling style. And i wanted Evander Holyfield to beat Lennox Lewis, because Evander Holyfield got me into boxing, and i liked his exciting style much more Lennox Lewis's jab-fest safety first boring style.

Same thing here really. I like a fighter, and thats it. I couldnt care less where they are from. If there is something about their style or even character that I find interesting then that is what gets me into a fighter. Calzaghe is one of my fighters, but James Toney is the other fighter I follow most avidly. Haye is British but I cannot stand the guy.