After watching a prime Roy Jones on TV last night he was far from unbeatable.

Watched his program on Satanta last night and it supprised me in a number of ways.

First his speed was amazing,second was at times he was not that elusive and looked far from unbeatble.

I think people only remember his good points and forget the bad.

If he had fought Nigel Benn it would have been a great fight.Jones would be favorate but Benn would be in with a shot.


Also,Calzaghe would have given jones lot of problems IMO.

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Watched his program on Satanta last night and it supprised me in a number of ways.

First his speed was amazing,second was at times he was not that elusive and looked far from unbeatble.

I think people only remember his good points and forget the bad.

If he had fought Nigel Benn it would have been a great fight.Jones would be favorate but Benn would be in with a shot.


Also,Calzaghe would have given jones lot of problems IMO.

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What fights did you watch of his where you wasn't impressed ?

yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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Fighters who swarmed Roy Jones Jr in his prime got slaughtered.

It was'nt that I was not impressed its just I think your mind looks back on things in that past as better than they are now.


I have got all of Jones fights on DVD somwhere and in a lot of his fights he does very little.Just throwes the fast odd lead left hook then moves away not willing to take a chance to go for the KO.

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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Fighters who swarmed Roy Jones Jr in his prime got slaughtered.

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Fighters who stood off Jones got slaughtered ;D

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It was'nt that I was not impressed its just I think your mind looks back on things in that past as better than they are now.


I have got all of Jones fights on DVD somwhere and in a lot of his fights he does very little.Just throwes the fast odd lead left hook then moves away not willing to take a chance to go for the KO.

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Thats because sometimes his fights were so easy he didn't need to do anything more. Take the Richard Hall fight for example he could of finished him off in the 1st round, but instead he toyed with him like RJJ often did with opponents.

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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Fighters who swarmed Roy Jones Jr in his prime got slaughtered.

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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Fighters who swarmed Roy Jones Jr in his prime got slaughtered.

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Merqui Sosa who had an iron chin and had never been knocked down, coming into the RJJ fight got slaughtered when he tried to swarm.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLsBXv1LF4

And also check out RJJ's fight with Bryant Brannon, who is similar to Glen Johnson.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU

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Fighters who swarmed Roy Jones Jr in his prime got slaughtered.

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Merqui Sosa who had an iron chin and had never been knocked down, coming into the RJJ fight got slaughtered when he tried to swarm.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLsBXv1LF4

And also check out RJJ's fight with Bryant Brannon, who is similar to Glen Johnson.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU

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I am not doubting Roys greatness its just he was not unbeatable.

It has always bugged me why he did not fight Benn because it would have been a much bigger fight than any of the other he had at the time.
The only reason I can think of is because he feared Benns power.Which is also the reason he did not try to finnised hurt fighters.

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Merqui Sosa who had an iron chin and had never been knocked down, coming into the RJJ fight got slaughtered when he tried to swarm.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLsBXv1LF4

And also check out RJJ's fight with Bryant Brannon, who is similar to Glen Johnson.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU

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I am not doubting Roys greatness its just he was not unbeatable.

It has always bugged me why he did not fight Benn because it would have been a much bigger fight than any of the other he had at the time.
The only reason I can think of is because he feared Benns power.Which is also the reason he did not try to finnised hurt fighters.

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Porky RJJ slaughtered the fighter that should of had two wins over Nigel Benn, Thulani Malinga. Thulani Malinga at 40+ also defeated an undefeated Robin Reid.

...and Pavlick beat Taylor, Taylor beat Hopkins, Hopkins beat Pavlick - means nothing.

But RJJ would've ruined Benn imo

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...and Pavlick beat Taylor, Taylor beat Hopkins, Hopkins beat Pavlick - means nothing.

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RJJ fought Thulani Malinga right after both Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, got gift decisions against Thulani Malinga.

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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Merqui Sosa, Julio Gonzalez, At times David Telesco, James Toney(when he tried to keep Roy on the ropes), Pazienza, Bannon, Clinton Woods... he fought more swarmers then anything else.

Watch him against Telesco or a legit fighter like Reggie Johnson you will see Roy using absolutely amazing combinations nobody ever even thought of. Once again say which fight you were watching because IMO there are only one fight in his prime that makes him look beatable and thats against Montell Griffin, He didn't prepare well enough for that fight and underestimated Griffin, but look what happened in the second fight.

The other fight was against Eric Harding and he was already 33, but he just didn't get off.

As for Nigel Benn, are you kidding me? Nigel Benn was a B class fighter who was beaten by almost every good fighter he faced. Roy would have knocked him out in the early rounds, Benn was so slow, so technically poor he would have been eaten alive. Nigel Benn is the most overrated fighter from the 90's.

The two guys I see giving Roy Jones Jr the most trouble would have to have been
prime Michael Nunn(so tall and fast, I think it would be an interesting match up)
and Thomas Hearns(once again almost impossible to outbox) however I likely see Roy ko'ing him with a right hand because he is so open for it, and he would have never seen anybody throw the punches that Jones does which IMO would throw him off badly.

I think Michael Spinks is too slow and easy to counter
Gerald McClellan I don't think could deal with both Roy's speed and power as a pro, but he would be number 3.
Ezzard Charles: I don't think he would be able to cope with Roy's speed being significantly faster than his own.
Billy Conn: Once again, a great fighter but I think Roy out thinks him, and is just too fast for him to adapt to.

But of all the fighters Roy could have foughtne in his prime or before he went to HW (McClellan, Toneyx2, Hopkinsx2, Nunn, C. Collins, Benn, Eubanks, Calzaghe) I think Benn and Chris Collins are the easiest opponents by far for Jones.

I watched that program and thought the same. Like all fighters Roy looked BEST against guys he was MUCH better than. Even though only highlights of fights, watching them back-to-back made me think i have OVERRATED him.

I think you're more impressionable when younger.

I was thinking, if that Roy Jones was around now, i certainly wouldn't have rated him as highly as i did back then.

Roy Jones put on as good and dominating performances against the good fighters as he did against the bad.

The best fighters in his prime were Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill, James Toney, Mike MaCcallum
He was the first guy to ko Hill but before that he was dominating him.
He was the first guy to seriously hurt Reggie Johnson(look his career please), and he won every round in that fight where he landed like 50% of his punches and Reggie landed 10% of his(a very fast southpaw with boxing skills once against watch him against James Toney).
James Toney: Around that time considered the best or second best fighter on the planet, when has anybody dominated the top or one of the top two fighters in the world like that?
Mike MacCallum: He was old, but he still was fighting well if you go by his other fights. Roy played with him, a guy who either a few months before or after fights TOney to a SD.

Who was Roy fighting in his prime that you guys saw him against?
Roy dominated opponents way bigger than him as well, people are picky about his competition, but most of these guys could have foughten at cruiserweight easily, and they would have mauled the likes of Calzaghe, yet Roy's combinations and speed had them usually backing away because they couldn't deal with it.

I think Benn,Collins, Eubank would all have been great fight's but both parties really didn't want to travel. Another fighter that comes to mind is Dariusz Michalewski (I know I destroyed that name). These two could have met many of times but for simply money the fight was never made. I like Roy but I don't think he was invincible Super middleweight's he never fought the top dog's at lightheavy he didn't either.

I ended up thinking the same to be honest.

Benn would have seriously got fucked up though ;D

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I ended up thinking the same to be honest.

Benn would have seriously got fucked up though ;D

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Lol - Benn is possible my favourite fighter ever, but he is overrated imo

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I think Benn,Collins, Eubank would all have been great fight's but both parties really didn't want to travel. Another fighter that comes to mind is Dariusz Michalewski (I know I destroyed that name). These two could have met many of times but for simply money the fight was never made. I like Roy but I don't think he was invincible Super middleweight's he never fought the top dog's at lightheavy he didn't either.

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I ended up thinking the same to be honest.

Benn would have seriously got fucked up though ;D

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Lol - Benn is possible my favourite fighter ever, but he is overrated imo

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Overrated in what way ? he took on dangerous opposition like Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, Michael Watson, Robbie Simms, Gerald McClellan, Henry Wharton ETC. His early struggles and losses were because he was too wild. Once he improved his boxing skills he become a much better fighter.

Ive always thought Roy would muller Benn.

But fuck that.

After last night there's every chance Benn could have sparked him. Fact.

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Ive always thought Roy would muller Benn.

But fuck that.

After last night there's every chance Benn could have sparked him. Fact.

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Agreed Nigel Benn was always dangerous even on his way to the canvas, like against Anthony Logan. If they fought 10 times im sure Nigel Benn could win atleast 2 times IMO. His punching power was unreal, what he did to iron chinned Doug DeWitt was shocking, he basically made him a shot fighter.

I clearly remember a post fight jones interview..one of his fights (post G-man v Benn) where he did "enough" and he said "i will only extend myself in a fight if neccesary"
That for me was and still is a blatant admission of unwilligness to mix it and go to war in the ring if he could avoid it and looking back it's clearly the case in a lot of his fights..
The G-Man tradgedy put the fear of god in him and STILL to this day he has not seen Gerald for fear of what it'll do to him mentally.
He also mentioned this in a recent interview;)
Once i heard him say that a long time ago i kinda lost some respect for him but fully understand where he's coming from.
Jones and Gerald were tight back in the day:)

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I ended up thinking the same to be honest.

Benn would have seriously got fucked up though ;D

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Lol - Benn is possible my favourite fighter ever, but he is overrated imo

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Overrated in what way ? he took on dangerous opposition like Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, Michael Watson, Robbie Simms, Gerald McClellan, Henry Wharton ETC. His early struggles and losses were because he was too wild. Once he improved his boxing skills he become a much better fighter.

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Agreed that when he was with Jimmy Tibbs and developed a more ronded style he improved. And don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic fighter, but I don't think he was a s good as Nunn, Toney McCallum or Jones. His losses against Eubank and Watson were bad losses, he was awful aganst Malinga, should've got sparked by Logan.

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Overrated in what way ? he took on dangerous opposition like Doug DeWitt, Iran Barkley, Michael Watson, Robbie Simms, Gerald McClellan, Henry Wharton ETC. His early struggles and losses were because he was too wild. Once he improved his boxing skills he become a much better fighter.

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Agreed that when he was with Jimmy Tibbs and developed a more ronded style he improved. And don't get me wrong, he was a fantastic fighter, but I don't think he was a s good as Nunn, Toney McCallum or Jones. His losses against Eubank and Watson were bad losses, he was awful aganst Malinga, should've got sparked by Logan.

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Maybe one of you oldies can help me out here, but i heard a fight between Michael Nunn vs Nigel Benn was supposed to happen in 1989 ? just before Nigel Benn fought Michael Watson ? what a fight that would of been Michael Nunn never quite achieved what he should have either IMO, and i think at his best he would of gave RJJ one of his toughest fights.

As for your other comment BIG H i agree he wasn't as good as those fighters above. And at times Nigel Benn struggled against lesser opposition when he should of mullered em, i still think he lost twice to Thulani Malinga.

But for what he was i think he done extremely well, and he never ducked anyone and took on all comers. And considering he only had like 20+ Amateur fights in the army or something didn't he ?

I love Eubank and think he wouldve worn Jones down, Chris didnt like workers but he could work and take the biggest of punches, Roy would have found Chris's styl difficult to counter and Chris had awsome head movement, Chris would have found a way to win had they fought early in Chris's career.

Chris was worn out by the time he fought Collins, take a look at his career leading up to the Collins fight, traveling the world fighting opponents in their back yard and mostly went the distance because of the Watson fight Chris Eubank.

Eubank was something else, its a shame that Watson injury happened because it stole from him the killer instinct, he stood off from Collins in the rematch after putting him nigh on through the ropes in the tenth, Collins was sagged with his ass just hovering over the canvas, holding on to the ropes, I dont think they called it a knockdown but it should have, Collins was gone and only the ropes kept him up, then Chris stands off him and the round ends.

Also in the first Thompson fight, Chris was all opver him dropped him a few times, stood off and eventually Thompsons strtength gets him back in to the fight and somehow loses a decision, he gets stopped for a swollen eye in the rematch in the tenth while ahead on points, the swelling being scar tissue from the first only a few months before hand, he should have taken 6 months off.

Benn proved against McClellan that he is a danger at any point against anyone and to right him off is daft, you couldnt tell me that with Benns power and doggedness that a hard right hook wouldnt get through at some point, even if it were while Jones was opening up and show boating while the ref is waiting to step in and stop Benn;D

jones is over rated, he fought better comp late and payed for it, Calzaghe fought better comp late and proved everyone wrong;)

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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Fighters who swarmed Roy Jones Jr in his prime got slaughtered.

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Bryant Brannon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU

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I love Eubank and think he wouldve worn Jones down, Chris didnt like workers but he could work and take the biggest of punches, Roy would have found Chris's styl difficult to counter and Chris had awsome head movement, Chris would have found a way to win had they fought early in Chris's career.

Chris was worn out by the time he fought Collins, take a look at his career leading up to the Collins fight, traveling the world fighting opponents in their back yard and mostly went the distance because of the Watson fight Chris Eubank.

Eubank was something else, its a shame that Watson injury happened because it stole from him the killer instinct, he stood off from Collins in the rematch after putting him nigh on through the ropes in the tenth, Collins was sagged with his ass just hovering over the canvas, holding on to the ropes, I dont think they called it a knockdown but it should have, Collins was gone and only the ropes kept him up, then Chris stands off him and the round ends.

Also in the first Thompson fight, Chris was all opver him dropped him a few times, stood off and eventually Thompsons strtength gets him back in to the fight and somehow loses a decision, he gets stopped for a swollen eye in the rematch in the tenth while ahead on points, the swelling being scar tissue from the first only a few months before hand, he should have taken 6 months off.

Benn proved against McClellan that he is a danger at any point against anyone and to right him off is daft, you couldnt tell me that with Benns power and doggedness that a hard right hook wouldnt get through at some point, even if it were while Jones was opening up and show boating while the ref is waiting to step in and stop Benn;D

jones is over rated, he fought better comp late and payed for it, Calzaghe fought better comp late and proved everyone wrong;)

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James Toney was more eluvise then Eubanks and harder to hit, yet Jones' speed and lateral movement while coming in just made all that upper body movement a detriment for James Toney as it would be for Eubanks. Eubanks would be one of the easier guys for Jones to beat, but eubanks like Calzaghe, like Nigel Benn wouldn't come over to face Jones because they were afraid, and so they demanded a bullshit amount of the purse which they knew Jones would never take.

The only reason Benn beat McClellan because he was there to be hit, people forget how hard it is to hit Roy JOnes Jr on the ropes and especially in the middle of the ring. Nigel Benn had really good power, but especially his movement would have hindered him. Roy was way too fast, way too good at adapting, and way too good at countering.

I think the one detriment against Roy as he went to LHW is that they couldn't handle his handspeed at all so he got lazy, and found it too easy to hit guys, that when he fought better athletes like Antonio Tarver along with the weight drain he just founded harder to land.

Roy is head over shoulders the best fighter of the 90's and early 2000's. Nobody in that period would have been able to touch him, except maybe Nunn like I mentioned. Even then Roy was a little faster, and had a lot more power.

Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

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yeh i was dthinking the same thing watching it.. dont get me wrong great fighter, but far from unbeatable..

I also feel that calzaghe would of given him a real test.. he would of bin all over Roy like a rash..

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In his prime, Jones was unbeatable. Calzaghe at anytime would've made it a tough fight regardless.

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It was'nt that I was not impressed its just I think your mind looks back on things in that past as better than they are now.


I have got all of Jones fights on DVD somwhere and in a lot of his fights he does very little.Just throwes the fast odd lead left hook then moves away not willing to take a chance to go for the KO.

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Thats because sometimes his fights were so easy he didn't need to do anything more. Take the Richard Hall fight for example he could of finished him off in the 1st round, but instead he toyed with him like RJJ often did with opponents.

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Jones definitely toyed with his opponents. I think he proved he could spark people out if he wanted to but he chose to showboat and milked the crowds.

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Best fighter of the Nineties?

Grow up!!

You have Ricardo Lopez, Pernell Whitaker and Azuma Nelson, who I can think of that were at least on the same level.

I cant vouch much further than that as I only really got in to boxing around the mid Nineties.

Also, Joe would have given each of these fighters a tough fight, if they were the same size.

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You could make an arguement MAYBE for Pernell Whitaker, but none of the others apply, also Whitaker tailed off at the end of the 90's, and even in his prime he did not dominate like Roy

They both had similar ability to not get hit, only Roy was much better offensively, much faster, better at throwing combinations, better and countering. I won't disrespect Whitaker's name because he was a legit fighter as are the other guys you mentioned but how long did Ricardo Lopez remain the top 1 or 2 fighters on the p4p list? Or Azumah Nelson? When Pernell was at his peak is when Roy stole it away from him when he beat Toney so emphatically, he got it "stolen" away by Mosley and Trinidad, but that was just politics. Pernell is a great fighter, but he wasn't on Roy's level. Either was Azumah Nelson, especially not in the 90's where he went 1-1-2 with Jesse James Leija, had Genaro Hernandez beat him, and he went 1-1-1 with Fenech(which is respectable), but Nelson isn't considered on the same level as Roy JOnes p4p all time. He was really good, but not that good.

Like Isaid originally Whitaker was the only guy you could really compare to Roy Jones Jr in the 90's or even in the 2000's nobody has been like Roy was in the 90's.

Roy Jones should of been in alot more fights that were better suited for his skill level if you ask me because look at all the fights he could of had. At the SMW he did not take and some at LHW which he should of taken. I do not feel like he was beatable Micheal Spinks was just akward enough and had the power to end Jones if he hit him he would hurt him bad. And also some may disagree but i thought Taver style was all wrong for Jones.

I also agree Calzaghe would give them all trouble (except Whitaker) because he is on the Azumah Nelson, Ricard Lopez level. Definitely, he's a good fighter, but so was James Toney, so is obviously Bernard Hopkins, but Roy easily dispatched of both of them. I also think Roy's style is very hard for Calzaghe to beat, I think a guy like Whitaker who is more defensive oriented gives Roy tons of trouble, but Calzaghe isn't quite good enough IMO to defend against Roy. People said to me that Bernard wouldn't beat Pavlik, but I said the style is wrong for Pavlik, he can't deal with somebody he can't hit and somebody who moves a lot, and sure enough he couldn't get off at all. Everytime when Bernad was fresh that Calzaghe tried to come in Bernard was able to either dodge what Calzaghe threw or countered effectively, now Roy is much faster, and a better counter puncher then Bernard, if Bernard was quick enough to trouble Calzaghe with his speed, then Roy would have been way too much for him because as quick as Bernard comes forward with that right cross. Roy does it about twice as fast, and with twice as much distance on it, and it was twice as hard as B-Hop's punches in his prime. Not to mention he didn't just have that one punch he could come foward with, he could counter over the right jab with his left hook which he did, He could counter or come forward with that looping right hook to the body from the outside.

I just look at Bernard right now, and he is a great fighter, but at this stage in his career he could do one thing against Calzaghe(move and suddenly come forward with his right hand, with nothing else). As good as Bernard is at that game, Roy was better in his prime(please note that Bernard was also better at it closer to his prime(like against Trinidad).

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Roy Jones should of been in alot more fights that were better suited for his skill level if you ask me because look at all the fights he could of had. At the SMW he did not take and some at LHW which he should of taken. I do not feel like he was beatable Micheal Spinks was just akward enough and had the power to end Jones if he hit him he would hurt him bad. And also some may disagree but i thought Taver style was all wrong for Jones.

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I think Glen Johnson was all wrong for Roy, but I think all Roy needed to do against Glen Johnson is throw more punches off the ropes, every time he did Glen couldn't deal with it. Roy however was in conservation mode because he wasn't in good enough shape. It kind of reminded me off ALi against Frazier in their first fight, but Roy couldn't handle the few punches that landed. But Glen JOhnson has very quick hands, and he has been able to walk through anything since moving up from middleweight.

AGainst Tarver I think their first fight properly demonstrated that Roy in his prime would have raped Tarver. I had Jones up by 4 or 5 rounds (116-112 or 117-111) I felt Tarver didn't get very much done when he had Roy on the ropes, and that Roy was able to land whenever he threw after the first round. I don't think Roy got enough credit by HBO for all those body shots he was landing.

I could see Michael Spinks being a tough fight for Roy JOnes, but I just think he would get disheartened when he realized how fast Roy was, I dont' think he was strong enough mentaly. Once again against Roy Jones I feel you need either great timing or good speed, and Michael SPinks wasn't overly fast.

Alright i see your points also for the best fighters of the 90s and the also the 00 there an argument for Oscar and Shane because Oscar was pound for pound in 97, 98 Roy was top in the year 96, 99 not to mention JCC and Pernell. Then Shane was pound for pound 00,01 and then Roy was 03 not to mention Mayweather and Bernard were up more years as well. If you look over the last 10 or 20 years alot of people have a say over as the best fighter pound for pound if you ask me but that is up for debate.

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Merqui Sosa who had an iron chin and had never been knocked down, coming into the RJJ fight got slaughtered when he tried to swarm.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLsBXv1LF4

And also check out RJJ's fight with Bryant Brannon, who is similar to Glen Johnson.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=r6d0WOk-QuU

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I am not doubting Roys greatness its just he was not unbeatable.

It has always bugged me why he did not fight Benn because it would have been a much bigger fight than any of the other he had at the time.
The only reason I can think of is because he feared Benns power.Which is also the reason he did not try to finnised hurt fighters.

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hmm, both worked fine for me ;D Brannon put up a decent fight for the first minute then Roy beat him like he owed him money

What Setanta program are you guys refererring to? I missed it :(

i've always felt roy was overrated......i think he did well at a time when there really was no other A class fighters in his division, he never fought the guy that was seen as the ligit light heavy champ saying HE'S the man so doesn't have to go fight some other belt holder.............. and the fact he never gave hopkins and toney rematchs says alot.........why did he leave the mid and super mids so quickly and go the a redundent l heavy

still he was very fast, but cant take a good shot, had good skills and very popular with fans

So? You can say the same thing about Calzaghe. Robin Reid 116-111 116-111 111-116 It must have been the different view for that judge...