Anybody watched his video on fightnews? some good points and a good opinion.
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Anybody watched his video on fightnews? some good points and a good opinion.
So has nobody watched it then or didn't you Calzaghe fanboys like what you heard.
How about giving us a summary?
Its on Boxing News 24 hours/day -- the #1 resource in boxing -- following Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray, Oscar De La Hoya and all your boxing favorites he is basically saying Jones didn't try to win he dropped Calzaghe then didn't try it was like he had a deal with Calzaghe not to win. Then he said he would like to fight Calzaghe and Calzaghe has pulled out on him twice before which we already knew its still on their now down at bottom if it int its on page 2.
I honestly think that Johnson is the guy right now that can blemish Calzaghe.. He withstood the sizzling handspeed and power of Dawson and applied pressure agression and IMO eeked out a win, but got the complimentery Johnson screwing that we come to expect in a close fight..
I will be my house and my car that Calzaghe dosent so much as put a dent in Johnson dosent have the firepower to keep Glen off him.. I know Johnsons record isint spectacular but I think its all about the styles in this one
I love Johnson but he doesn't have a shot at GETTING a fight with Joe never mind winning it which he is not capable of doing...
Sorry.
Glenn Johnson losses a UD.
Wow its now getting desperate in the quest to find a JC beater ... cant see what Johnson brings to this fight all round PARTICULARLY IN THE MARKETING DEPT.... Lol ...
Anyone calling for a Bika re match yet .... IM JOKING FOR FKS SAKE,
:badass::badass::badass:
I hear you man Johnson is no world beater, but he is tough as nails and is a late bloomer of sorts, the guy seems to have endless stamina and a serious strong will... Joe may very well cruise in this one too but Joe dosent possess the power to deter Johnson.. Glen is definetly scrappy and relentless with his pressure and pretty underrated.. Again Joe may well pitch a shutout against him.. Until Joe officially retires and is the undefeated top dawg, its to be expected fans, writers and experts search potential matchups and styles.. When your #1 people are gunning for you, fact of life man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bambamdaddio
Glen Johnson matches up almost exactly with Clinton Woods over three fights. I don't think you'd find anybody who'd claim that Woods would beat Calzaghe or even come close to it. I think that people for whatever reasons will just not accept how far ahead in class of everybody else Joe actually is.
Styles make fights dude.. .Woods has faded in his career and Johnson is still going strong, albeit he lost on the cards it was quite clear he beat and out toughed the heir apparent to the division.. Johnson has a relentless style and if Joe couldnt buckle a dented Jawed Jones, how is he going to keep Johnson off of him.. I mean Joe is not the same fighter that Beat Lacy down, but at this stage of their careers Glen style presents big chllenges to everyone in the division even Calzaghe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You speak of acceptance of Calzaghe, see my above post for the reality of every number 1 fighter, team etc.. Finding a spoiler for them is the way of the world mate, always has been, always will be;)
Joe looked pretty good to me on Saturday night, I'd say he's the same guy who fought Lacy. And Calzaghe-Johnson would be another Lacy-style massacre.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockStyles make fights dude.. .Woods has faded in his career and Johnson is still going strong, albeit he lost on the cards it was quite clear he beat and out toughed the heir apparent to the division.. Johnson has a relentless style and if Joe couldnt buckle a dented Jawed Jones, how is he going to keep Johnson off of him.. I mean Joe is not the same fighter that Beat Lacy down, but at this stage of their careers Glen style presents big chllenges to everyone in the division even Calzaghe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You speak of acceptance of Calzaghe, see my above post for the reality of every number 1 fighter, team etc.. Finding a spoiler for them is the way of the world mate, always has been, always will be;)
Hey man your certainly entitled to your opinion;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingJoe looked pretty good to me on Saturday night, I'd say he's the same guy who fought Lacy. And Calzaghe-Johnson would be another Lacy-style massacre.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockStyles make fights dude.. .Woods has faded in his career and Johnson is still going strong, albeit he lost on the cards it was quite clear he beat and out toughed the heir apparent to the division.. Johnson has a relentless style and if Joe couldnt buckle a dented Jawed Jones, how is he going to keep Johnson off of him.. I mean Joe is not the same fighter that Beat Lacy down, but at this stage of their careers Glen style presents big chllenges to everyone in the division even Calzaghe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You speak of acceptance of Calzaghe, see my above post for the reality of every number 1 fighter, team etc.. Finding a spoiler for them is the way of the world mate, always has been, always will be;)
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockHey man your certainly entitled to your opinion;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingJoe looked pretty good to me on Saturday night, I'd say he's the same guy who fought Lacy. And Calzaghe-Johnson would be another Lacy-style massacre.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I think Johnson would get outboxed. It is one thing being strong and relentless, but no good if u cant land. Johnson is on his way out. Though it hurts to say so, no one at 168-175 at the moment has the tools to beat Joe. Jones, Johnson, Tarver and Hopkins are too old, and the likes of Dawson, Pavlik, and other young guys dont seem to have the talent or desire. 160 and up in boxing is actually quite weak at the moment. Whereas 160 and below may be as strong as ever.
This poor bloke has been stiffed more times than Augustus. Just not fair.:banghead:
Yeah got ya bud .. I understand where ya coming from !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI hear you man Johnson is no world beater, but he is tough as nails and is a late bloomer of sorts, the guy seems to have endless stamina and a serious strong will... Joe may very well cruise in this one too but Joe dosent possess the power to deter Johnson.. Glen is definetly scrappy and relentless with his pressure and pretty underrated.. Again Joe may well pitch a shutout against him.. Until Joe officially retires and is the undefeated top dawg, its to be expected fans, writers and experts search potential matchups and styles.. When your #1 people are gunning for you, fact of life man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bambamdaddio
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Johnsons taylor made for Joe imo, i dont understand how he beats Joe?He hasnt got the KO power to stop Joe he will be there in front of Joe all night long, Joe is just to quick and will impose himself on Johnson for lob sided decision, someone pointed out Woods which i think is very relevant as Woods does nothing spectacular and comes at you in straight lines similar to Glen, Calzaghe would smash Johnson. Easy 12 rnds for Joe.Dawson would be his hardest test stylewise.
Well i thought Chad Dawson vs Glen Johnson was a draw, but i agree with JT Rock here. I think theres a reason Joe Calzaghe has sidestepped Glen Johnson. And thats because he is a bad style match up IMO, Joe Calzaghe has struggled in rough/physical fights with Robin Reid, Sakio Bika, Kabary Salem, ETC.
And just because Glen Johnson has lost to lesser fighters means nothing, haven't you heard of the old saying style makes fights ? Kirkland Laing gave Roberto Duran a boxing lesson, yet Kirkland Laing lost to much lesser fighters than Roberto Duran, and Roberto Duran beat much better fighters than Kirkland Laing. Plus most people wouldn't have even mentioned Kirkland Laing in the same breath, as Roberto Duran before there fight.
Glen Johnson is a much better pressure fighter, than the fighters i mentioned above. And is the master at rough/physical fights, i think he would give Joe Calzaghe a very good argument. Aslong as he doesn't get old overnight because he is reaching that stage, but if Glen Johnson fought the sameway as he did against Chad Dawson. Expect a very tough fight for Joe Calzaghe.
I assume you mean Johnson...uQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
NOBODY has ever been stiffed more than Augustas, be fair man. THis last one pissed me off.
You have to be kidding? Johnson, a come forward semi-plodder, is a bad style match for Calzaghe?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie
The only reason Bika and Salem had Calzaghe in rough physical fights is because they DIDN'T come to fight they came to SURVIVE.
Johnson doesn't even have a punchers chance against Calzaghe.
I hate franky figeroaQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsI assume you mean Johnson...uQuote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
NOBODY has ever been stiffed more than Augustas, be fair man. THis last one pissed me off.
Sakio Bika didn't come to survive he made it a rough/physical fight. And won most of the later rounds, and Sakio Bika is much more limited than Glen Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou have to be kidding? Johnson, a come forward semi-plodder, is a bad style match for Calzaghe?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie
The only reason Bika and Salem had Calzaghe in rough physical fights is because they DIDN'T come to fight they came to SURVIVE.
Johnson doesn't even have a punchers chance against Calzaghe.
Glen Johnson is a master at rough/physical fights, he would close the distance. And go to work on the inside, plus his workrate is very good so Joe Calzaghe's workrate wouldn't bother him.
I somehow see this one going another 10 pages though.
He sure handled a younger RJJ better than Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockI hear you man Johnson is no world beater, but he is tough as nails and is a late bloomer of sorts, the guy seems to have endless stamina and a serious strong will... Joe may very well cruise in this one too but Joe dosent possess the power to deter Johnson.. Glen is definetly scrappy and relentless with his pressure and pretty underrated.. Again Joe may well pitch a shutout against him.. Until Joe officially retires and is the undefeated top dawg, its to be expected fans, writers and experts search potential matchups and styles.. When your #1 people are gunning for you, fact of life man;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bambamdaddio
I wouldnt call Johnson a late bloomer, he got seriously screwed up after the Hopkins fight. This happens all the time with Hopkins opponents. Joe might be the only guy who just stuck with his game plan after Hopkins, him and Jones. Nobody looks the same after Hopkins, but Johnson was cruising before Hopkins.
Hell Taylor "beat"(ha ha) Hopkins, and has never looked the same since then
I think Glenn could beat Calzaghe Joe pulled out with a bad back twice because he knew what would happen to him even Frank Warren himself has said Calzaghe was a nightmare to make fights for and he had pulled out of about 10 fights perhaps this is why he is 46-0.
Also Glenn is 40 next year so he fits into Calzaghe's opponent list nicely.;);D
I like Johndon, and would like to see him have one last shot seeing as he's been there or there abouts, and also put a very good showing against Dawson. IMO he didn't win that fight, but it was very close.
Johnson's problem is that he is very one paced (not dimensional), same tempo throughout the fight. Against Dawson it was almost as if Chad could pick the rounds he wanted to win by picking the pace up past what Glenn could muster, though he didn't have the stamina to do it every round.
While Johnson is tough as nails and won't be stopped, he is tailor made for Calzaghe. While Bika did more than just come to survive against Joe, he was fighting on the back foot all night waiting to counter, which couldn't BE more different to Johnson's strategy. He has the same chance as anyone else against Calzaghe which is a punchers chance. The guys with the best chance of beating Joe are Hop and Kess, then probably Dawson of the guys he hasn't faced.
Bika doesn't fight anything like Johnson. Against Calzaghe he stood like a statue, the majority of the fight, waiting for Joe to get close enough for him to unleash headbutts and gooly shots. Apart from that, all he did was throw his huge wild wingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupieSakio Bika didn't come to survive he made it a rough/physical fight. And won most of the later rounds, and Sakio Bika is much more limited than Glen Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterYou have to be kidding? Johnson, a come forward semi-plodder, is a bad style match for Calzaghe?Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee number 1 groupie
The only reason Bika and Salem had Calzaghe in rough physical fights is because they DIDN'T come to fight they came to SURVIVE.
Johnson doesn't even have a punchers chance against Calzaghe.
Glen Johnson is a master at rough/physical fights, he would close the distance. And go to work on the inside, plus his workrate is very good so Joe Calzaghe's workrate wouldn't bother him.
I somehow see this one going another 10 pages though.
Johnson would be the one steadily coming forward - but look like he's moving in treacle compared with Joes speed, angles and volume. He tired quite markedly in the 3rd Woods fight. He'd never get away with that vs Calzaghe. So the workrate could be a big problem.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
You're relentness. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragos Bitch
I like the open letter Glen made for Joe... For those who havent read it
http://www.saddoboxing.com/8592-joe-...n-johnson.html
Cmon Joe make it happen
Glen Johnson is a great man and fighter, he is a hard man, but lets be honset there are three/four fights out there that are more meaningful for Joe to take, Dawson/Hopkins/Kessler/Froch. Before we can talk Johnson, that letter comes off a little desperate imo. I respect Glen but he should be chasing a rematch with Dawson before shouting out Calzaghe, also Joe was going to fight Glen if he would of beat Clinton Woods in there rubber match which he didnt. Whatever reason Joe didnt fight Glen for i dont think the timing is quite right for it to happen now.
Joe's already fought Hopkins and KesslerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
No idea how Froch got on your list for meaningful fights.
Dawson is legit.
There is already history with Calzaghe and Johnson, They are both part of the super popular senior league at 175. Johnson IMO is the best fight for Calzaghe, definately not the most profitable, but the most meaningful.
Firstly Johnson was beaton by Tarver and Dawson, what credit would Calzaghe get now for beating Johnson?? I say Froch as he is a fighter which similar to Kessler could become a future star after Joe has gone which in years to come will make a victory over him look good, but Johnson???? What credit would he get? He was just beaton by Dawson, also was beaton by Tarver and was also beaton by Clinton Woods in the last of the three fights at this stage Johnson doesnt mean a great deal when the oppurtunity to beat the man who beat Johnson is on offer and the possible rematch with Hopkins, who has just schooled a figther who was in the p4p top 10 something Johnson is nowhere near, there are still many doubters over Calzaghes win over Hopkins so them two fights Dawson and Hopkins are far bigger/important to his career than Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepJoe's already fought Hopkins and KesslerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
No idea how Froch got on your list for meaningful fights.
Dawson is legit.
There is already history with Calzaghe and Johnson, They are both part of the super popular senior league at 175. Johnson IMO is the best fight for Calzaghe, definately not the most profitable, but the most meaningful.
Kessler and Froch are fighters who have the potential to become great fighters of there times, where like i say Johnson, is past his best and wouldnt mean a great deal at this time.
The only fighter that had a clear victory over Johnson was Hopkins, Johnson can also say that he beat a younger RJJ much more convincingly than Calzaghe did. Furthermore, a fight with Johnson is the only one that Calzaghe legitimately backed out of. Lastly it's the fight that I want and that trumps all other arguments ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Firstly Johnson was beaton by Tarver and Dawson, what credit would Calzaghe get now for beating Johnson?? I say Froch as he is a fighter which similar to Kessler could become a future star after Joe has gone which in years to come will make a victory over him look good, but Johnson???? What credit would he get? He was just beaton by Dawson, also was beaton by Tarver and was also beaton by Clinton Woods in the last of the three fights at this stage Johnson doesnt mean a great deal when the oppurtunity to beat the man who beat Johnson is on offer and the possible rematch with Hopkins, who has just schooled a figther who was in the p4p top 10 something Johnson is nowhere near, there are still many doubters over Calzaghes win over Hopkins so them two fights Dawson and Hopkins are far bigger/important to his career than Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepJoe's already fought Hopkins and KesslerQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
No idea how Froch got on your list for meaningful fights.
Dawson is legit.
There is already history with Calzaghe and Johnson, They are both part of the super popular senior league at 175. Johnson IMO is the best fight for Calzaghe, definately not the most profitable, but the most meaningful.
Kessler and Froch are fighters who have the potential to become great fighters of there times, where like i say Johnson, is past his best and wouldnt mean a great deal at this time.
Oh dont get me wrong mate id love to see the fight would be a tear up but i just think people would be discrediting Joe for taking this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe only fighter that had a clear victory over Johnson was Hopkins, Johnson can also say that he beat a younger RJJ much more convincingly than Calzaghe did. Furthermore, a fight with Johnson is the only one that Calzaghe legitimately backed out of. Lastly it's the fight that I want and that trumps all other arguments ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Firstly Johnson was beaton by Tarver and Dawson, what credit would Calzaghe get now for beating Johnson?? I say Froch as he is a fighter which similar to Kessler could become a future star after Joe has gone which in years to come will make a victory over him look good, but Johnson???? What credit would he get? He was just beaton by Dawson, also was beaton by Tarver and was also beaton by Clinton Woods in the last of the three fights at this stage Johnson doesnt mean a great deal when the oppurtunity to beat the man who beat Johnson is on offer and the possible rematch with Hopkins, who has just schooled a figther who was in the p4p top 10 something Johnson is nowhere near, there are still many doubters over Calzaghes win over Hopkins so them two fights Dawson and Hopkins are far bigger/important to his career than Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Kessler and Froch are fighters who have the potential to become great fighters of there times, where like i say Johnson, is past his best and wouldnt mean a great deal at this time.
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Originally Posted by skel1983Oh dont get me wrong mate id love to see the fight would be a tear up but i just think people would be discrediting Joe for taking this fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe only fighter that had a clear victory over Johnson was Hopkins, Johnson can also say that he beat a younger RJJ much more convincingly than Calzaghe did. Furthermore, a fight with Johnson is the only one that Calzaghe legitimately backed out of. Lastly it's the fight that I want and that trumps all other arguments ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Point in fact won't Joe get discreditted regardless of opponent?
To true!! ;D