Why Chad Dawson is the most dangerous opponent Calzaghe would have faced.

Here is why I think Chad Dawson would be the most dangerous and perhaps best fighter at the point of their career Cazlaghe would have faced them.

I love Roy JOnes Jr and Bernard Hopkins, but they don't fight the way they used to.
Bernard is incredibly smart, he is nearly impossible to hit cleanly and even harder to hurt, he counters exceptionally well. Roy Jones still has good handspeed, hard to hit cleanly, but doesn't get off.

Chad Dawson is the fastest man this side of Andre Berto. He throws combinations that remind me of younger Roy Jones Jr both with his speed and inventiveness, he doesn't just shoe shine or throw a million hooks, he'll mixes it up better than I've seen in a few years. He goes to the body really well, which nobody has really done on Calzaghe, and unlike Hopkins(this version), Roy Jones(any version), and Mikkel Kesser, Chad loves to go to war, watch him against Glen Johnson he will stand right in there, which is something that has always done fighters good against Calzaghe.

The biggest things that Chad Dawson has that I think present Calzaghe with more problems then anyone else could bring is that
1) His right uppercut is his key punch, and Calzaghe has always been wide open for it. Nobody has had this type of uppercut and the speed to land it like Dawson does.
2) His speed... and power, Roy could only throw one punch at a time in most cases, and it was largely without any snap on the end of his punches, he wasn't following through at all. Dawson still has that snap, and he throws combinations. He might not have that one punch knockout power, but Roy Jones and Bernard couldn't punch their way out of a geriatric clinic these days, and they both dropped and hurt Calzaghe in their respective fights.
3) Size: Chad Dawson is 6'3 with long arms. He loves the throw that jab which as a southpaw I don't think Calzaghe has delt with in his career.

All in all I think this is pretty much as close to a toss as Calzaghe could have. I think this fight would be much tougher for Calzaghe than Hopkins because it would be more than just technically tough it would be physically tough as well.

..cause chad is good now, not was good 6 years ago.

Upppercut?

Did you fucken see the one Kess landed on Joe?
Nearly took his fucken head off and Joe kept fighting back like nothing had happened. :(

Kess has far more power then BCD.


I def. see and understand all that your saying but it doesn't add up to me and just doesn't sound like something BCD will do.

Here's why, you are completely overlooking the fact that BCD takes rounds off, BCD goes in the high guard stance and lets opponents take free shots, BCD goes to the ropes and stands there.

All those things are exactly what Joe needs his opponents to do in order for him to win.

Like I said time and time again, biggest BCD fan here and if the fight happens I'll be rooting for him. But I give the adv. to Joe...

Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Did you fucken see the one Kess landed on Joe?
Nearly took his fucken head off and Joe kept fighting back like nothing had happened. :(

Kess has far more power then BCD.

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Did you fucken see the one Kess landed on Joe?
Nearly took his fucken head off and Joe kept fighting back like nothing had happened. :(

Kess has far more power then BCD.

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Some serious power behind that, great shot.

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Did you fucken see the one Kess landed on Joe?
Nearly took his fucken head off and Joe kept fighting back like nothing had happened. :(

Kess has far more power then BCD.

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Upppercut?

Did you fucken see the one Kess landed on Joe?
Nearly took his fucken head off and Joe kept fighting back like nothing had happened. :(

Kess has far more power then BCD.


I def. see and understand all that your saying but it doesn't add up to me and just doesn't sound like something BCD will do.

Here's why, you are completely overlooking the fact that BCD takes rounds off, BCD goes in the high guard stance and lets opponents take free shots, BCD goes to the ropes and stands there.

All those things are exactly what Joe needs his opponents to do in order for him to win.

Like I said time and time again, biggest BCD fan here and if the fight happens I'll be rooting for him. But I give the adv. to Joe...

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Maybe you should watch Chad Dawson. When he uses his high guard he always uses lateral movement to stay OFF the ropes. Watch him against Glen Johnson. And in that fight the only time he has actually been hurt (not caught off balance) he recovered and came right back at Johnson in the same round. Thats the heart nobody else showed against Calzaghe. Kessler has never shown more power, or are you talking about the comparable cream puffs besides Calzaghe? Kessler throws a good uppercut, but its not his key punch, his key punches are his left jab and his left hook, he also has a really good cross. He doesn't have elite speed, he's very quick, but not like Calzaghe or Dawson which is a key point because he couldn't deal with Calzaghe's speed first and foremost.

Markus Beyer?,A green Anthony Mundine?, Eric Lucas?, Librado Andrade? Sorry I love KEssler and I think he is a great fighter, but his resume leaves a lot to be desired when you compare it to Tarver, Harding, Johnson, Adamek. Once again Kessler besides Calzaghe hasn't foughten ONE guy on that level, and Chad Dawson fought all four of them, and beat three of them in as dominating fashion as anyone.

Once again back to the Kessler thing, the key point is that he landed maybe 3 or 4 uppercuts that whole fight, Chad Dawson because he is quite a bit taller, because he is much faster then Kessler, and because that uppercut is his butter punch he would throw it more, and he would land it more, he is more accurate than Kessler, he throws way better combinations, and he has a longer reach. He's two inches taller, he has 3 1/2 inches of reach on Kessler, he is not only faster then Kessler, but then Joe as well which is something Joe hasn't delt with from honest competition since his amateurs and he had difficulties back then with quicker opponents.

The people I did compare his power to were Hopkins and Jones because they were able to, along with Kessler land pretty much as long as they punched. Now Dawson has been in his tough fight, Kessler never had to dig deep like fighting a Glen Johnson before he faced Calzaghe. I think it was to his detriment.

You are also forgetting Chad has been vastly improving every fight, he has been progressively taking less and less rounds "off", he's only been hit by Glen Johnson because he was focusing on trading punches than defense. I am saying that he has proven himself better than the old guard at light heavyweight, he is an honest challenge for Calzaghe.

I am definitely not saying he will win, it would be foolish to do so, but given his speed, his heart, his athletic qualities, his technical qualities, his size, I can't see him being less than a 50/50 bet against Joe.

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Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Jones landed his right hand plenty, and when he didn't Calzaghe wasn't able to retaliate immediately. You are forgetting that Chad is faster than anything Calzaghe has ever faced. Calzaghe won't be countering him effectively, Roy wasn't being countered by Calzaghe very effectively, and Joe hit him about a thousand times on his gloves, but Roy wouldn't punch back, we saw the same thing against Glen Johnson, but where Roy didn't punch back or use footwork to create space against Johnson, Dawson did both, and fought a very close fight with a guy who KO'ed Roy, and beat him worse than Calzaghe did. Also Roy doesn't ahve snap left on his punches anymore so Calzaghe didn't respect them. Kessler didn't have the speed or unorthodoxy to catch Calzaghe with something he wouldn't see coming. Dawson has all these qualities to make this a great fight. If he was a little rougher he would be the carbon copy of a guy who is the exact wrong match up for Joe. Bigger, faster, punches straighter. I never said these things about Roy except faster and punches straight, I knew his punch was gone before he ever faced Calzaghe. I never expected Hopkins to knock him down, and hurt Calzaghe several times down the stretch.


All in all if you think Joe will have an easy time getting on the inside of a guy like Chad your wrong, Joe hasn't delt with a very skilled southpaw in his entire career, and he wouldn't be used to that jab.

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Maybe you should watch Chad Dawson.

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I stopped reading up to that point.

Taeth, get the hell out of here with that... ;D

Let me know which BCD fight you haven't seen I'll gladly burn it for you with a menu and all. ;)

Obviously you haven't if you are pulling the crap you are. Or maybe you haven't seen Kessler because he definitely isn't a heavier puncher than Chad Dawson.

I have one thing to say Floyd Mayweather Jr is hailing this guy as the best p4p fighter on the planet. He has no reason to, I haven't heard of some great comeradery between the two, this kid deserves to be in the top 10 p4p, and he definitely gives Calzaghe the most honest competition in his career.

Calzaghe has never faced a guy of this caliber in his prime or near it. Kessler is a great fighter, but you wait 3-4 years and we will see who is sitting where on the p4p chart.

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Upppercut?

Did you fucken see the one Kess landed on Joe?
Nearly took his fucken head off and Joe kept fighting back like nothing had happened. :(

Kess has far more power then BCD.

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Joe doesn't seem to be coming forward like nothing has happened;) Joe was hurt a few times in this fight Joe is 46-0 he isn't bloody superman.

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Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Robin Reid caught Joe Calzaghe constantly with straight right hands, and Joe Calzaghe couldn't adjust. Not that it matters against Chad Dawson because he is a Southpaw but still.

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Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Robin Reid caught Joe Calzaghe constantly with straight right hands, and Joe Calzaghe couldn't adjust. Not that it matters against Chad Dawson because he is a Southpaw but still.

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He wasn't as experienced/smart back then.. and didn't show the same confidence.. and had the broken hand, which couldn't have helped his concentration ;)

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Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Robin Reid caught Joe Calzaghe constantly with straight right hands, and Joe Calzaghe couldn't adjust. Not that it matters against Chad Dawson because he is a Southpaw but still.

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He wasn't as experienced/smart back then.. and didn't show the same confidence.. and had the broken hand, which couldn't have helped his concentration ;)

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What about against Richie Woodhall/Bernard Hopkins ? im not dissing Joe Calzaghe here. But i disagree with Kel's comment that Joe Calzaghe can't be caught with the same shot over and over when he clearly can.

But like i said this is all a moot point anyway because Chad Dawson is a Southpaw, but i would like to see Chad Dawson work Joe Calzaghe's body. Chad Dawson is a good body puncher especially once he gets going with his combinations.

And it would be interesting to see how Joe Calzaghe would cope, because he's never really been tested to the body before.

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Obviously you haven't if you are pulling the crap you are. Or maybe you haven't seen Kessler because he definitely isn't a heavier puncher than Chad Dawson.

I have one thing to say Floyd Mayweather Jr is hailing this guy as the best p4p fighter on the planet. He has no reason to, I haven't heard of some great comeradery between the two, this kid deserves to be in the top 10 p4p, and he definitely gives Calzaghe the most honest competition in his career.

Calzaghe has never faced a guy of this caliber in his prime or near it. Kessler is a great fighter, but you wait 3-4 years and we will see who is sitting where on the p4p chart.

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Either BCD or Glen Johnson are the toughest fights out there for Calzaghe. You've mentioned the reasons why you believe BCD would be the toughest fight out there for Joe. Why would he be tougher than Glen Johnson? Calzaghe definitively beat Bika, but Bika proved tougher than some of his opponents because of his pressure and strength. Johnson has those same qualities to a degree. Johnson also throws a lot of punches.

Also, it isn't like Joe hasn't faced taller fighters or fighters with longer arms. In fact, there isn't much out there that Joe hasn't been up against. Mario Veit was 6'3 1/2 and Charles Brewer had a 78" wingspan. Granted, they aren't on the BCD level.

Additionally, Kessler was in his prime although I understand your argument that Kessler had yet to be in a war in the same way BCD was with Johnson and that such experience would aid BCD in a fight with Calzaghe. However, there is a reason that he is #1 in the smw division.

One of the reasons Calzaghe is great is because of his ability to adjust. The guy lives to win. I've never seen the heart of a champion like that in Calzaghe. His ability to get right back up after going down in the first round of two fights against ATG's is unparallelled. The other reason why Calzaghe is great is because he is the master, possibly the best ever, at punch volume. I think arguably someone who has a similar level of output would pose the most threat to Calzaghe.

After watching the RJJ fight and the Bhop fight, you have to wonder whether they really would have beat him in their primes. If you went into the fight thinking they would, you had to come out of those fights with at least a few doubts.

On the whole, I'm not sure there is anyone out there that can beat Joe. In my opinion, he could fight JT, Pavilk, and BCD and be favored in all three fights.

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Robin Reid caught Joe Calzaghe constantly with straight right hands, and Joe Calzaghe couldn't adjust. Not that it matters against Chad Dawson because he is a Southpaw but still.

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He wasn't as experienced/smart back then.. and didn't show the same confidence.. and had the broken hand, which couldn't have helped his concentration ;)

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What about against Richie Woodhall/Bernard Hopkins ? im not dissing Joe Calzaghe here. But i disagree with Kel's comment that Joe Calzaghe can't be caught with the same shot over and over when he clearly can.

But like i said this is all a moot point anyway because Chad Dawson is a Southpaw, but i would like to see Chad Dawson work Joe Calzaghe's body. Chad Dawson is a good body puncher especially once he gets going with his combinations.

And it would be interesting to see how Joe Calzaghe would cope, because he's never really been tested to the body before.

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What about them?

Joe just duffed his mate Richie up - he could deal with the punches no problem. Hopkins threw and landed hardly anything.

For Dawson to have any effect on Calzaghe's body he'll have to be a consistent, hurtful, sustained body puncher. No-one could really get away with that against Calzaghe without getting hit 10-fold back. That's the problem. ;)

It's easy to see the physical strengths of Dawson over Calzaghe, but I don't see the most important strength above Joe... Mental Strength.

If "Chad was so Bad," he would have knocked out Tarver by the 6th round. Too tentative, too safe, too boring. Tarver is gone, done, and Chad faced him like an opponent. Glenn Johnson... ha!

I like a fighter who knocks 'em out and finishes 'em when he can. He doesn't use his intuition with his punches. A lot of people don't see it, but I see it.... he holds back.

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He wasn't as experienced/smart back then.. and didn't show the same confidence.. and had the broken hand, which couldn't have helped his concentration ;)

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What about against Richie Woodhall/Bernard Hopkins ? im not dissing Joe Calzaghe here. But i disagree with Kel's comment that Joe Calzaghe can't be caught with the same shot over and over when he clearly can.

But like i said this is all a moot point anyway because Chad Dawson is a Southpaw, but i would like to see Chad Dawson work Joe Calzaghe's body. Chad Dawson is a good body puncher especially once he gets going with his combinations.

And it would be interesting to see how Joe Calzaghe would cope, because he's never really been tested to the body before.

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What about them?

Joe just duffed his mate Richie up - he could deal with the punches no problem. Hopkins threw and landed hardly anything.

For Dawson to have any effect on Calzaghe's body he'll have to be a consistent, hurtful, sustained body puncher. No-one could really get away with that against Calzaghe without getting hit 10-fold back. That's the problem. ;)

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Richie Woodhall landed constantly with right hands so did Bernard Hopkins, that was my point.

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It's easy to see the physical strengths of Dawson over Calzaghe, but I don't see the most important strength above Joe... Mental Strength.

If "Chad was so Bad," he would have knocked out Tarver by the 6th round. Too tentative, too safe, too boring. Tarver is gone, done, and Chad faced him like an opponent. Glenn Johnson... ha!

I like a fighter who knocks 'em out and finishes 'em when he can. He doesn't use his intuition with his punches. A lot of people don't see it, but I see it.... he holds back.

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How many stoppages has Joe Calzaghe had in the last 6 years ?

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It's easy to see the physical strengths of Dawson over Calzaghe, but I don't see the most important strength above Joe... Mental Strength.

If "Chad was so Bad," he would have knocked out Tarver by the 6th round. Too tentative, too safe, too boring. Tarver is gone, done, and Chad faced him like an opponent. Glenn Johnson... ha!

I like a fighter who knocks 'em out and finishes 'em when he can. He doesn't use his intuition with his punches. A lot of people don't see it, but I see it.... he holds back.

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Who has knocked out Tarver? A guy who has faced all the best light heavyweights of the last decade excluding Calzaghe.

Also you haven't seen a heart like Calzaghe's? What about Holyfield, Robinson, Frazier, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, young Hopkins. I think Calzaghe has still had a lot of heart because he still has great stamina, and he hasn't faced a guy with his athleticism and who is in any semblence of their prime.

I think the biggest factor besides Chad Dawson's size and speed is his mentality. Because he likes to actually fight not just box. Hopkins and JOnes have become such virtuoso fighters that they don't like to mix it up, and in Jones' case he never has. Chad Dawson will trade shots, he will risk being hit to go to the body. I think Kessler was more like this to a degree, but he just didn't quite of the speed or skill to capatalize and get out of the way, and I saw Kessler be broken down mentally by Calzaghe, yet Dawson didn't get broken down by Glen Johnson, he stayed in it mentaly, he kept firing back, but not just winging punches like Mikkel, but staying focused and punching straight, and changing it up. When Kessler got desperate he just started throwing one two's.

ICB you mentioned Viet and Brewer, but speed and skill are huge factors. You can be a big guy and be terrible, it obviously matters who has that size advantage. Brewer was slow and not that good. Viet wasn't fast or very good either. Also Chad Dawson is a filled out 6'3 unlike Viet. Its like comparing Robinson and Antonion Margarito in terms of athleticism. They were both 5'11 and welterweights, but Robinson was a whole different kind of 5'11 type fighter. Chad used to be a middleweight, but now he is a big LHW.

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He wasn't as experienced/smart back then.. and didn't show the same confidence.. and had the broken hand, which couldn't have helped his concentration ;)

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What about against Richie Woodhall/Bernard Hopkins ? im not dissing Joe Calzaghe here. But i disagree with Kel's comment that Joe Calzaghe can't be caught with the same shot over and over when he clearly can.

But like i said this is all a moot point anyway because Chad Dawson is a Southpaw, but i would like to see Chad Dawson work Joe Calzaghe's body. Chad Dawson is a good body puncher especially once he gets going with his combinations.

And it would be interesting to see how Joe Calzaghe would cope, because he's never really been tested to the body before.

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What about them?

Joe just duffed his mate Richie up - he could deal with the punches no problem. Hopkins threw and landed hardly anything.

For Dawson to have any effect on Calzaghe's body he'll have to be a consistent, hurtful, sustained body puncher. No-one could really get away with that against Calzaghe without getting hit 10-fold back. That's the problem. ;)

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I didn't see Calzaghe countering hurtful coutners on Jones who didn''t really throw anything. Dawson will land just as many punches on Calzaghe as would be landed on him. A much tougher chin'ed Glen Johnson who also hits harder was going to war with Chad Dawson. I honeslty have never seen Joe in that sort of fight not even against Kessler. Chad Dawson abandoned defense to put on a show, it was a great fight. You guys are questioning his will to win, when Glen Johnson in that form would have given CAlzaghe one hell of a fight. The reason I don't think Johnson is quite as dangerous for Calzaghe is that he isn't as fast as Dawson, he's easier to hit, and Calzaghe would outbox him IMO. Dawson could have as well, but he chose not to. I think Dawson would be able to hit Calzaghe at will just like Hopkins was able to, before he got tired, and once again after he got his rest. Just like Roy was able to, whenever he actually threw punches.

Once again Chad Dawson is on the top level IMO, and he's so big, and so fast, and so good. That is why is a great matchup

If Calzaghe still fights on then he has to fight Dawson IMO, that is the fight that makes more sense than anyother fight now for me.

I'm just not 100% sold on Dawson yet, i'm not saying he isn't one of the best about, he just has to do a bit more for me to make my mind up on weather he is the real deal or just another hyped up Us fighter. Granted he looked great against Tarver but every fcking time he threw a punch Tarver stood there rooted to the spot not moving until he was finished throwing however many punches he wanted.

Johnson on the otherhand, a freaking journeyman came very very close to beating him, so i'm not sure if a fighter who comes at him and has good movment and great skill would cause him fits, or weather he figured johnson to be a journeyman and wasnt realy ready.

I'll concede BCD would be the most difficult fight for Calzaghe right now. I still would favor Calzaghe.

If Calzaghe had three fights in him, from a financial, risk, and legacy standpoint, I'd take these fights in a location to be determined (not in particular order):

1. Jermain Taylor v. Carl Froch winner in March. Fight in Vegas if Taylor wins and in London if Froch wins.
2. Assuming he stays unbeaten until next summer, BCD in Wales. Make a cool 10-15 million.
3. Abraham v. Pavlik winner. In Germany if Abraham wins and in Vegas in Pavlik wins.

Because BCD is the most difficult fight for Calzaghe, and of the above fighters probably has the least name recognition, from a risk/reward standpoint, I'm not sure it makes the most sense to test those waters as of yet, when Calzaghe could milk the cow a little longer.

Jermain has a big name and assuming he beats Froch, he would be somewhat redeemed from the Pavlik loss. A lot of money and I think Calzaghe easily wins. If Froch beats Jermain, a match with Calzaghe would be a big deal in the UK.

Abraham v. Pavlik. Both have big names in their respective countries and both would be relatively easy wins for Calzaghe. Additionally, beating a prime unified middleweight champion of the world is a big accomplishment.

He could very well walk away from those three fights 50 million dollars richer. Mad loot son.

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If Calzaghe still fights on then he has to fight Dawson IMO, that is the fight that makes more sense than anyother fight now for me.

I'm just not 100% sold on Dawson yet, i'm not saying he isn't one of the best about, he just has to do a bit more for me to make my mind up on weather he is the real deal or just another hyped up Us fighter. Granted he looked great against Tarver but every fcking time he threw a punch Tarver stood there rooted to the spot not moving until he was finished throwing however many punches he wanted.

Johnson on the otherhand, a freaking journeyman came very very close to beating him, so i'm not sure if a fighter who comes at him and has good movment and great skill would cause him fits, or weather he figured johnson to be a journeyman and wasnt realy ready.

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Why do you keep calling Glen Johnson a journeyman ? when i and other members have gave you long explanations why he isn't one. Watch more of his fights or learn/read up about him, because your really showing how limited your boxing knowledge is keep calling him a journeyman. Im sick of having to keep explaining this all the time it makes me want to neg rep you. Because your not willing to learn.

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How many stoppages has Joe Calzaghe had in the last 6 years ?

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I like to see big punchers an all but when someone puts as much effort and work in to attering the other bloke all round the ring as Joe does it makes up for it.

For all Joes week punching no one has been able to walk through em, Hopkins did a hell of a lot more against Pavlik than he did against Joe even though Pavlik hits harder because he knew if he opened up he wouldnt live with Joes output.

I watched the Dawson Tarver fight and if Joe still feels fine and has a desire to once again prove himself, then id say go for it, Dawson has little naps, stops working altogether and goes for a wander, he wouldnt get away with that with Joe and he certainly wouldnt get the time to work that Tarver gave him, hed end up like everyone else, in a shell because of Joes workrate catching him over and over.

Its gotta be very frustrating for any fighter having Joe Calzaghe punching right back after evrything they throw and then pouring it on when you dont.

Imagine youself in the ring facing Calzaghe, opening up to throw and then having to eat 3 or 4 shots, even if they arent powerfull it puts you off punching and any big effort you put in is rewarded by a bigger effort from Joe.

For a guy who don't throw nothing but slaps, he sure shuts the oppositions offence down quite well. Tarver didn't have the speed to match dawson and i'm not sure if calzaghe will either, but joe needs this fight to finish off his career. If he beats a prime fighter who other fighters think is future p4p great, then there can be no questions about his opposition. Look how hopkins stock just rose by beating pavlik convincingly.

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It's easy to see the physical strengths of Dawson over Calzaghe, but I don't see the most important strength above Joe... Mental Strength.

If "Chad was so Bad," he would have knocked out Tarver by the 6th round. Too tentative, too safe, too boring. Tarver is gone, done, and Chad faced him like an opponent. Glenn Johnson... ha!

I like a fighter who knocks 'em out and finishes 'em when he can. He doesn't use his intuition with his punches. A lot of people don't see it, but I see it.... he holds back.

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Who has knocked out Tarver? A guy who has faced all the best light heavyweights of the last decade excluding Calzaghe.

Also you haven't seen a heart like Calzaghe's? What about Holyfield, Robinson, Frazier, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Hearns, young Hopkins. I think Calzaghe has still had a lot of heart because he still has great stamina, and he hasn't faced a guy with his athleticism and who is in any semblence of their prime.

I think the biggest factor besides Chad Dawson's size and speed is his mentality. Because he likes to actually fight not just box. Hopkins and JOnes have become such virtuoso fighters that they don't like to mix it up, and in Jones' case he never has. Chad Dawson will trade shots, he will risk being hit to go to the body. I think Kessler was more like this to a degree, but he just didn't quite of the speed or skill to capatalize and get out of the way, and I saw Kessler be broken down mentally by Calzaghe, yet Dawson didn't get broken down by Glen Johnson, he stayed in it mentaly, he kept firing back, but not just winging punches like Mikkel, but staying focused and punching straight, and changing it up. When Kessler got desperate he just started throwing one two's.

ICB you mentioned Viet and Brewer, but speed and skill are huge factors. You can be a big guy and be terrible, it obviously matters who has that size advantage. Brewer was slow and not that good. Viet wasn't fast or very good either. Also Chad Dawson is a filled out 6'3 unlike Viet. Its like comparing Robinson and Antonion Margarito in terms of athleticism. They were both 5'11 and welterweights, but Robinson was a whole different kind of 5'11 type fighter. Chad used to be a middleweight, but now he is a big LHW.

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Personally, I hope your right, if that's the case, Chad Dawson will make for exciting matchups in the future. And Gawd knows we need more excitement in Boxing today! ;)

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How many stoppages has Joe Calzaghe had in the last 6 years ?

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I like to see big punchers an all but when someone puts as much effort and work in to attering the other bloke all round the ring as Joe does it makes up for it.

For all Joes week punching no one has been able to walk through em, Hopkins did a hell of a lot more against Pavlik than he did against Joe even though Pavlik hits harder because he knew if he opened up he wouldnt live with Joes output.

I watched the Dawson Tarver fight and if Joe still feels fine and has a desire to once again prove himself, then id say go for it, Dawson has little naps, stops working altogether and goes for a wander, he wouldnt get away with that with Joe and he certainly wouldnt get the time to work that Tarver gave him, hed end up like everyone else, in a shell because of Joes workrate catching him over and over.

Its gotta be very frustrating for any fighter having Joe Calzaghe punching right back after evrything they throw and then pouring it on when you dont.

Imagine youself in the ring facing Calzaghe, opening up to throw and then having to eat 3 or 4 shots, even if they arent powerfull it puts you off punching and any big effort you put in is rewarded by a bigger effort from Joe.

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You saw Roy Jones take naps in easy fights, same with Mayweather. IT happens the fact that his fight with Tarver was that easy is saying something. You didn't see Mayweather take a nap against Corrales for one second yet in the fight before that against Emanuel Augustus he didn't seem overly focused.

Chad Dawson was sharp all the way through againt Glen Johnson, I just think he Meldrick Taylor'ed it a bit too much.

Also I didn't see Calzaghe punching back everytime against Hopkins, I think he had a lot of difficulties when Hopkins was moving. Hopkins was able to dictate the pace until he slowed down. Hopkins also slowed down against Pavlik, but the difference wasn't in anything, but Calzaghe's speed, he was was faster, and he could get in and out faster than Pavlik. It tires you out when a guy is moving in so quickly, you have to react more radically and thus it takes much more out of you.

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If Calzaghe still fights on then he has to fight Dawson IMO, that is the fight that makes more sense than anyother fight now for me.

I'm just not 100% sold on Dawson yet, i'm not saying he isn't one of the best about, he just has to do a bit more for me to make my mind up on weather he is the real deal or just another hyped up Us fighter. Granted he looked great against Tarver but every fcking time he threw a punch Tarver stood there rooted to the spot not moving until he was finished throwing however many punches he wanted.

Johnson on the otherhand, a freaking journeyman came very very close to beating him, so i'm not sure if a fighter who comes at him and has good movment and great skill would cause him fits, or weather he figured johnson to be a journeyman and wasnt realy ready.

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Why do you keep calling Glen Johnson a journeyman ? when i and other members have gave you long explanations why he isn't one. Watch more of his fights or learn/read up about him, because your really showing how limited your boxing knowledge is keep calling him a journeyman. Im sick of having to keep explaining this all the time it makes me want to neg rep you. Because your not willing to learn.

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why do i call him one? because he is, maybe he and you are both to stupid to see it, but he is lol

don't bother explaining anyhting to me, i don't value your opinion boxrec boy, really i don't.


haha neg rep me? i don't know if it's because i'm baked out of my skull or the fact you think i could give a fuck that someone neg repped me lol??

haha thanks for that, i was gunna watch step brothers again and laugh at this with this head on, i think i'll just read more of your posts, they crack me up more.

Your baked out of your skull, and your intelligence is showing as much. Glen Johnson is among the best 4 LHW's right now, He would give Hopkins or Calzaghe a run for their money at this stage, and he gave Dawson a run for his money. To say Glen Johnson is a journeyman is retarded.

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Your baked out of your skull, and your intelligence is showing as much. Glen Johnson is among the best 4 LHW's right now, He would give Hopkins or Calzaghe a run for their money at this stage, and he gave Dawson a run for his money. To say Glen Johnson is a journeyman is retarded.

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he would give problems to joe and hopkins? are you frekaing shitting me? johnson couldnt beat a damn clinton woods a year ago and he hasn;t gotten any better, calzaghe and hopkins would wipe the floor with him and stop him. They guy is brought into lose in pretty much eveyr fight he has been in in god knows how long, he never gets the DC when it is close, just like a journeyman doesn't. He has no home, because he has no worth, can not draw a crowd on his own, has to go to where the fight is and accept every term and condition that the other guy wants and always take the smaller shit purse. He is a patsy, a journeyman, a guy put in to pad anothers record.


If glen johnson was a draw, an A or B class fighter, he would fight where he wants to fight, get the bigger purse, not get screwed on the cards and not have to do prtety much everthing apart from taking a stiff one up the ass to get a fight. Do you think Shaw thought that putting Dawson in with Johnson was a test, something that would elevate Dawson into superstardom? no he put him in there because Johnson has been around the block, knows a thing or to, would give Dawson a few problems for them to work in in the gym for when he fights a top class fighter, he put him in there because they saw johnosn as a sure thing. That is exactly what a journeyman is. Sure johnson caused Dawson some problems, it was either his style, but i tend to feel more to do with Dawson not being up for the fight.

high profile journeyman, nothing more.

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Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Robin Reid caught Joe Calzaghe constantly with straight right hands, and Joe Calzaghe couldn't adjust. Not that it matters against Chad Dawson because he is a Southpaw but still.

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That was TEN years ago, his style has changed quite a bit since then don't you think?

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If Calzaghe still fights on then he has to fight Dawson IMO, that is the fight that makes more sense than anyother fight now for me.

I'm just not 100% sold on Dawson yet, i'm not saying he isn't one of the best about, he just has to do a bit more for me to make my mind up on weather he is the real deal or just another hyped up Us fighter. Granted he looked great against Tarver but every fcking time he threw a punch Tarver stood there rooted to the spot not moving until he was finished throwing however many punches he wanted.

Johnson on the otherhand, a freaking journeyman came very very close to beating him, so i'm not sure if a fighter who comes at him and has good movment and great skill would cause him fits, or weather he figured johnson to be a journeyman and wasnt realy ready.

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Why do you keep calling Glen Johnson a journeyman ? when i and other members have gave you long explanations why he isn't one. Watch more of his fights or learn/read up about him, because your really showing how limited your boxing knowledge is keep calling him a journeyman. Im sick of having to keep explaining this all the time it makes me want to neg rep you. Because your not willing to learn.

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why do i call him one? because he is, maybe he and you are both to stupid to see it, but he is lol

don't bother explaining anyhting to me, i don't value your opinion boxrec boy, really i don't.


haha neg rep me? i don't know if it's because i'm baked out of my skull or the fact you think i could give a fuck that someone neg repped me lol??

haha thanks for that, i was gunna watch step brothers again and laugh at this with this head on, i think i'll just read more of your posts, they crack me up more.

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Boxrec boy are you serious ? i've actually watched his fights your the boxrec boy. Because if you had watched his fights instead of looking at his record online. You'd know the only fights he has ever been beaten convincingly in is the Hopkins/Tarver 2 fights.

Almost every other single loss he has had is questionable and most of his decision losses could of gone his way. You haven't got a clue what your talking about, this journeyman beat a younger version of Roy Jones Jr much more convincingly than your boy Joe Calzaghe did.

Your a joke and your boxing knowledge is so limited its laughable, the only boxing threads i see you reply in 90 percent of the time are Joe Calzaght threads. And to think i actually thought you was an ok poster once.

But you bring nothing to this forum except insults and drunken rants, the reason i didn't neg rep you is because thats not my style, and i wouldn't waste my time anyway.

Lastly you should respect my opinion which is actually a fact in this case, because i know much more boxing than your ever know. Stick to Joe Calzaghe threads.

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Joe always adapts and finds gaps, you wont catch him with the same shot repeatedly, he will take that away from you by tagging you when you try it again.

He has fantastic stamina and workrate even in his late 30's

He still has a good chin, his powers of recovery are very impressive.

Joe is mostly an inside fighter and he would get past a long jab because you won't hit him with it as often as you threw it, you would eat a flurry of five punches for trying it.

I really want this fight to happen. I want to see what people say next, who he should fight next, who else will give him trouble etc..

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Robin Reid caught Joe Calzaghe constantly with straight right hands, and Joe Calzaghe couldn't adjust. Not that it matters against Chad Dawson because he is a Southpaw but still.

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That was TEN years ago, his style has changed quite a bit since then don't you think?

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His style has changed in what way ?