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I know he will probably fight Dela Hoya, i would like to see Cotto v Hatton more than anything, at 147 i think Cotto is way to big maybe a catchweight, i think Cotto is big favourite but this fight would be way more appealing than a Hatton Dela Hoya fight, Dela Hoya is turning into a fraud, Pac Man now Hatton? He should be fighting Margorita,Cotto, Willaims or Forrest not Pac and Hatton.
I think Cotto would dominate Hatton, either at 147 or at a catchweight.
Boxing history is littered with champions who were able to deal with more than one weight division. If Hatton is so great why is it that he can't deal with it? Or is it just that there are so many more good fighters at welterweight than there are at junior welterweight.
Cotto would defeat Hatton even at 140.
The key is how easily Cotto can make the weight. Definitely making 140 was taking its toll on Cotto in the latter stages of his stay at that weight. If Cotto can make 144 comfortably, Hatton has no chance. If Cotto struggles to make the weight, Hatton's chances would increase.
I think if Hatton fought like old Hatton he might do fine, Cotto isn't one to always impose his will on his opponent, while Hatton is, I think Hatton would back Cotto up, and if Cotto is quick enough to counter Hatton then Ricky is fucked, but if he isn't than this would look a lot like Hatton-Castillo who is very similar to Cotto in many respects.
Hatton would beat any fighter at 140 including Cotto who was ready to go at the weight on numerous occasions against weaker fighters.
I don't think Cotto could make those catchweights at all anymore. Hatton looked very good, to be honest I would have rather seen them fight at 140 years ago. Still could be an interesting one, though at 140 Cotto would be too weight drained easy night for Hatton. At 143/144 it could be competitive if Cotto could make weight. At 147 Cotto dominates.
IMO Cotto stops him....Hatton will use his usual style...And he will find Cotto too strong for him...Cotto would bust up Hattons body....
I think Cotto would be way too weight drained at 140 so that would be Hatton's best chance. At a catch weight or at 147 Cotto knocks Hatton out. That would be a sick money making fight! Let's see it!Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
yea i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Hatton may be good on offense but he has no defense and body shots from Cotto would bring him to a knee.
Hatton beats Cotto at 140 end of.
Hatton is suited to that weight and when Cotto came up against a relentless pressure fighter similar to Hatton he got knocked out.
The one-dimensional Antonio Margarito.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Well said Taeth, I agree with ya, I always have fancied a peakish Hatton over Cotto ... & for certain at 140, Tho it does becomes tougher if he moves up & adds the weight...
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If cotto could sustain what he did against margarito in the first 6 rounds for a whole fight he would beat any fighter at 140-147, even Floyd Mayweather IMO. At 143 the fight with Hatton would be very exciting, I think both of thier styles make a very exciting fight to which an outcome would be hard to predict. Anything could happen, but I think Cotto would be the hardest hitting fighter Hatton has ever faced. Hes such an outstanding fighter Miguel Cotto and I love watching him fight, I want to see him after the Margarito loss to comment properly on a Hatton 143 fight. But recent performaces would suggest that Cotto would get the nod at this momment in time. Hatton himself should be aware this fight can happen and would be highly entertaining for his fans.
Margarito has a chin, that makes him at least two dimensional. :) If Hatton has Margarito's chin, then your argument has some merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Hatton could not even go the distance with Mayweather power what is he going to do when Cotto hits him he does not have a chin like Margrito.
Hatton would have to be smart in this fight though... That new head movement that him and Mayweather are talking about would certainly need to come together against Cotto... Margarito got hit was some freakin sharp counters for a lot of the fight.. Margarito is a tank that is going to keep coming through them, but Hatton's face would go about 8 different colors if he had to take that many clean shots to pin Cotto down...
Stylewise it would be excelent, and if Hatton wore Cotto down like Margarito did, it would be another absolutely classic fights for the ages. But Cotto has been countering better and better as time wears on, and Hatton would have to be very wary of that throughout the fight, lest he end up on his ass not knowing what hit him..
Hatton got nailed with a check hook from Paulie's left hand last night. I doubt he would survive if that was Cotto's punch.
I'll give you 140 it would be a huge advantage for Hatton. But to say that Hatton would beat Cotto because Margarito and him have similar styles, I would have to strongly disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
Cotto has boxing skills and would be peppering Hatton. Hatton has never been hit with the type of power Cotto has and it's not the other way around. Margarito cut the ring off of Cotto while Hatton comes forward then lunges in. Cotto would be able to keep Hatton at bay with his stiff jab. The lower the weight the more in favor it would be for Hatton but at a catchweight or 147, Cotto knocks him out in an exciting fight.
I'm not saying Hatton can't beat Cotto. I'm just matching them up and having a hard time seeing Hatton the winner.
I kinda agree with that...That was always something that bugged me about Hatton and Margarito. I do honestly think that their advantages are taken away at 147 (or 154 for Margo) because their advantages aren't boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Hattons advantages are being a bully (although he showed some nice skills last night)
Margarito's advantage is being a freakish 5'11 with long limbs giving him stupid power for 147. At 154 he becomes similar to the other fighters.
Hatton vs Cotto would be a great fight. Not sure who'd take it. Before last night I would have said Cotto. However at 147, I predict an easy night for Cotto who wouldn't be weight drained.
If Cotto could make the weight without being totally spent he would be too much for Hatton.
I'd rather see Hatton-Margarito at a catchweight. Two ruthless fighters who never stop coming forward and throw devestating bombs! What a fight that would make. I actually think Hatton could possibly do better against Margarito than Cotto did, we saw Cotto testing his chin all night long but never his body. If Ricky goes back to his body shot style that was seemingly non existant against Paulie he would stand more of a chance.
Get it done.
If Paulie who hits like a girl was able to bruise and put lumps on Hatton's face, I can only imagine what Cotto would do Hatton :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
It depends>.....Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
If Hatton can take what Margarito did in that fight. :rolleyes:
I'm very sorry but you r logic in you comment above is very moronic, with no disrespect. Margarito's ability is his chin at 147. Do you think Hatton ccould take Margarito's punch while Hatton couldn't even take Floy's punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
Come on man be real :-X
"Moronic" may have been a little too kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuyaI'm very sorry but you r logic in you comment above is very moronic, with no disrespect. Margarito's ability is his chin at 147. Do you think Hatton ccould take Margarito's punch while Hatton couldn't even take Floy's punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
Come on man be real :-X
exactly.. Think of what Cotto hit Margarito with.. I don't see Hatton withstanding 9-10 ((however many it was)) rounds of that.. Plus it took Margarito the same amount of rounds to finally put cotto down on one knee.. Hatton isn't as big or as strong as Margarito, and he wouldn't be able to take as much punishment.. Cotto hits harder than Floyd, and Floyd KO'd Hatton.. so i mean.. yeah..Quote:
Originally Posted by CGMMargarito has a chin, that makes him at least two dimensional. :) If Hatton has Margarito's chin, then your argument has some merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
I actually like that fight on styles too, it would be a spoiler match or a two fused bomb going off.Quote:
Originally Posted by PuyaI'm very sorry but you r logic in you comment above is very moronic, with no disrespect. Margarito's ability is his chin at 147. Do you think Hatton ccould take Margarito's punch while Hatton couldn't even take Floy's punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
Come on man be real :-X
Mayweather can hit ok but added to it was Rickys one dimensional thinking that he was going to eventually catch him hard and Mayweather knew it as soon as the fight started and adjusted to the long haul, and he timed the night and Ricky and caught him coming towards him the whole time which wore him down until he was desperate and finished.
Margarritto couldnt do it like that I don't think. but like you say he definatley hits harder than Mayweather.
Still so did Tszyu and he took those all night long solid cause he knew that was going to be the deal all night long. Its a mode of fighting when your evenly matched to someone right from the start and that can form a war.
Ok, maybe at a catch too.;D
This can't be a serious post?! Could you imagine Margarito fighting someone who is coming right at him and is a way smaller man? Cotto has boxing ability and that's what made their fight so competitive. Hatton vs Margarito would be the end of Ricky Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
WTF?? Hatton wouldnt last 7 rounds i give him 10rnds tops because Margarito is a slow starter. but by the 5 maybe 6th round on Hatton will be lucky to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
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Because he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).
If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.
Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.
Cotto wins easily.
at any weight cotto wins
Perhaps you are right, though I wouldn't have thought the size difference between junior welterweight and welterweight was all that huge, or insurmountable. He's taller than Cotto, for whatever that's worth. But if it is too much for him, then maybe he shouldn't be thinking about challenging DLH or Mayweather again.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoBecause he's far too small. He aint really a big light-welterweight. Sure he balloons up between fights but he doesn't add any lean mass. It's all body fat. I actually think he could probably have fought at 135 for some his career....quite comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by CGM
Add that to the fact that his style wouldn't allow him to use his main advantages at welter. His strength and punching power wouldn't have much effect on natural welters. His reach is also very very short so the jab goes out of the window (check how many he landed against Collazo and Mayweather - granted they were both slick fighters).
If you look at the sort of champions who have won titles at different weight classes the majority of them have probably been supremely gifted athletes who rely on speed and technical ability (Mayweather, Roy Jones, Mosely etc) or they are fighters who have continually outgrown their own weight class.
Ricky Hatton simply isn't that fighter. It doesn't make him any less of a champion....it just means he's always going to be one of those fighters who probably has to concentrate on their natural weight division.
There's a huge difference in talent between the two divisions, it'd make a big difference to his legacy if he could be successful among the elite welterweights. He doesn't really seem to be challenged at JWW. But maybe he just have the drive to make that move. It'd probably take a lot of work. He certainly doesn't need the money.
It'll be real interesting to see how PAC does at welterweight.
Ricky Hatton was caught coming in, i don't care if you aren't a hard hitter. If you get caught coming in with a shot like that. 9 times out of 10 your going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
Paulie actually attempted the same type of shot on Hatton in the first round of their fight. The little left hook while stepping away from Hatton lunging in. Maybe that was part of the game plan but he just stopped trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBRicky Hatton was caught coming in, i don't care if you aren't a hard hitter. If you get caught coming in with a shot like that. 9 times out of 10 your going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
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Originally Posted by skel1983
Hatton has been fighting at 140 for a dozen years. Is it unreasonable to expect him to move up in weight a few pounds? Hatton is 152-154 on fight night.
That is more than Mayweather, for example, has EVER weighed.
But in "Undefeated", Hatton was being hurt by FMJ even when he was not coming in. See round 8 as an example. Ricky was almost stopped in that round, and he was being beaten against the ropes....not coming in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBRicky Hatton was caught coming in, i don't care if you aren't a hard hitter. If you get caught coming in with a shot like that. 9 times out of 10 your going down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hhhh65TP14
Floyd read him like a book right from the word go mate, he was at the stage of writing the whole ending right about then. Hatton was fooked.