In your opinion which boxers could be classed as worst champions to ever hold a WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO belt ? Who shouldn't have got near a title ? Thanks.
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In your opinion which boxers could be classed as worst champions to ever hold a WBC, WBA, IBF or WBO belt ? Who shouldn't have got near a title ? Thanks.
Gavin Rees.
Recently....
Gavin Rees
Soulemane M'Baye
Carlos Maussa
Vivian Harris
Sergio Mora
Alex Arthur
Nicky Cook
Most of them are around 130-140lbs
That's why i laugh when people say Khan won't be a world champion.
He'd beat all of those with his eyes closed.
Valuev
Rahman
Rees
Macarinelli
I think Baldomir is/was garbage.
Luis Santana #@~cough~@# who some how won against Norris TWICE by disqualification
It took Norris a 3rd meeting against this imposter to reclaim his title
Job Biscuit (Cried like a bitch to win a title...TWICE)!!!
eh eh!!!
How about Jorge Vaca ? i seem to remember him making too much of a cut caused by a accidental headbutt ? and winning a BS decision against Lloyd Honeyghan ? i really can't remember though haven't seen it in atleast 7 years.
John Ruiz
Tarvis Simms
Jose Antonio Rivera
Buster Douglas
Arturro Gatti
Bruce Seldon - (who's about to fight Lamon Brewster, by the way)
kendall holt
Sergio Mora
Carlos Quintana
Eric Aiken 16-6-1... He won the IBF by Disqualification couple years ago. Recently got the pants beat out of him by 5'2" Monty Meza Clay.
Carlos Baldomir. great one!
John Ruiz
Hassim Rahman
Steve Robinson
Nicky Cook
Barry Jones
hmmmmmmmmm WBO JOKE TITLISTS - WARREN CONECTION ?
hmmmmmmmmm what a surprise , thank you for your quality promotions Frank , you are the best .;D
Alphabet Organizations + Average fighters = The Law of Averages
Floyd Patterson i thought he was terrible
John Ruiz
You should watch more of his fights and then make up your mind. He had the quick powerful combinations that had dismantled some of his opponents in beautiful fashion. He also fought tough and strong fighters, consider Machen, Ingomar, Bonevena, Chuvalo, no push overs. He paid his dues. I think he was legitamate champion, and not a terrible one in the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
Now take some guys like Shannon Briggs, Saltan, and a lot of the guys mentioned who's been spinning the alphabet roulette wheel and you have just another fighter with a belt.
Bruce Seldon
Tevor Berbick, Ingmar Johanssen, Gavin Ree's, Carlos Baldomir, Iran Barkley,...to name a few
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Originally Posted by CountryBoy
Agreed and you get a rep to boot!
I think Iran was an excellent fighter. His record is misleading. KOed Hearns twice. I mean, that is something isn't it? Duran spoiled him badly at SMW. ended his otherwise colorful career. How the hell did he (Barkley) make it all the way up to HW? What a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
john ruiz
hasim rahman (after lewis win)
valuv is a joke
Frans Botha-Paul "zzzzzz" Vaden-Carlos Mausa-Eddie Hopson :fight:-Frankie Toledo- Gianfranco Rosi....uugghh
Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz
Sergio Mora
David Diaz
Eric Ortiz (Remember seeing him in the When he fought Viloria he had his whole gear with
World Champ written all over, LOL)Got KOD 1st round
Sven Ottke and his on the payroll judges.
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Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsI think Iran was an excellent fighter. His record is misleading. KOed Hearns twice. I mean, that is something isn't it? Duran spoiled him badly at SMW. ended his otherwise colorful career. How the hell did he (Barkley) make it all the way up to HW? What a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
The wins over a past his best and past his best weight Hearns were the highlight of Barkley's career....The only title fights he was successful in were against Hearns
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsI think Iran was an excellent fighter. His record is misleading. KOed Hearns twice. I mean, that is something isn't it? Duran spoiled him badly at SMW. ended his otherwise colorful career. How the hell did he (Barkley) make it all the way up to HW? What a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
The wins over a past his best and past his best weight Hearns were the highlight of Barkley's career....The only title fights he was successful in were against Hearns
Actually, I saw him mug Darrin Van Horn in NYC for a championship. Brutal stoppoga of the "School Boy."
Loved that KO.Van horn and his father were "making a mess" in the ring before the opening bell.I like Barkley...more than just a mean scowl and attitude but Hearns was as high as it got.Great scraps with Olajide ,Benn,Castenada among others.
Surely you must be joking...Quote:
Originally Posted by Killface
I take it, this is because he beat your boy Paul Williams... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Absurd...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
Off the top of my head;
Fritzie Zivic
Khaokor Galaxy
Primo Carnera
Cecilio Lastra
Koji Kobayashi
Quincy Taylor
Iran Barkley KOED Hearns once , then beat him on points , also he KOED Darrin Van Horne in a title fight. Iran was a good fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsI think Iran was an excellent fighter. His record is misleading. KOed Hearns twice. I mean, that is something isn't it? Duran spoiled him badly at SMW. ended his otherwise colorful career. How the hell did he (Barkley) make it all the way up to HW? What a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
The wins over a past his best and past his best weight Hearns were the highlight of Barkley's career....The only title fights he was successful in were against Hearns
Pattersons opponants were all hand picked his trainer manager cus d amato picked all his opponants and and he beat them all fair enough but then came a real fighter Liston he fought him twice and was knocked out in the first round both times the reason for this is liston was the first man who was not carefully selected for patterson and d amto tried to talk patterson out of fighting him which is the reason they fell outQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris NagelYou should watch more of his fights and then make up your mind. He had the quick powerful combinations that had dismantled some of his opponents in beautiful fashion. He also fought tough and strong fighters, consider Machen, Ingomar, Bonevena, Chuvalo, no push overs. He paid his dues. I think he was legitamate champion, and not a terrible one in the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
Now take some guys like Shannon Briggs, Saltan, and a lot of the guys mentioned who's been spinning the alphabet roulette wheel and you have just another fighter with a belt.
Eddie Machen lost to every reallt good fighter he faced Fraiser Liston so i dont rate him
George Chuvalo lost almost 20 fights and built up his record on a diet of easy victims so i dont rate him
Oscar Natalio beat a load of no bodys and lost to any good fighters he fought Ali Fraiser
Ingemar Johanasson was a decent fighter and Pattersons best win in my opinion but this win does not make a great champion
Personally i dont consider people who hold silly belts champs so thats why i did not list off all the people who hold such belts
Patterson held a real championship i dont think he was good enough to hold i think great managment and a poor level of opposition at the time made him the champ not his skill which was average at best
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Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlIran Barkley KOED Hearns once , then beat him on points , also he KOED Darrin Van Horne in a title fight. Iran was a good fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
The wins over a past his best and past his best weight Hearns were the highlight of Barkley's career....The only title fights he was successful in were against Hearns
I always felt his whole career was based on his wins over Tommy...If he never fought Hearns there is a chance Barkley would hardly be mentioned at all.....
There have been worse champion I agree But it is just IMO on him.....Worst title holder ever not by far...just one that came to mind quickly
Floyd was a great fighter....If there was a CW division beck then he would have even had a better legacy...Floyd was outsized often but he could fight and had heart....Quote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
BTW...The guy in your avatars style was based off Floyds Peek a Boo style that was also taught to him by Cus
:appl: brilliant....Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnBTW...The guy in your avatars style was based off Floyds Peek a Boo style that was also taught to him by CusQuote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
Buster Douglas... A one hit wonder...
It was not floyds style it was the cus d amato style he taught all his fighters that style and i think the guy in my pic did it a bit better than floyd lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnFloyd was a great fighter....If there was a CW division beck then he would have even had a better legacy...Floyd was outsized often but he could fight and had heart....Quote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
BTW...The guy in your avatars style was based off Floyds Peek a Boo style that was also taught to him by Cus
Leon Spinks
All the latest British ones ;D
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Originally Posted by mrodubIt was not floyds style it was the cus d amato style he taught all his fighters that style and i think the guy in my pic did it a bit better than floyd lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnFloyd was a great fighter....If there was a CW division beck then he would have even had a better legacy...Floyd was outsized often but he could fight and had heart....Quote:
Originally Posted by mrodub
BTW...The guy in your avatars style was based off Floyds Peek a Boo style that was also taught to him by Cus
Pretty sure I already covered that when I said "
"His style was taught to him by CUS"
Pay attention before you try to be abnoxious and add an LOL like you know something nobody else does....
Who made it famous first?
Why was the style so effective?
What about the style did Cus feel it suited Floyd perfectly for?
Tyson also used a different version of it hence forth the
"His style was based off of"
Anyhow be on with yourself...I won't even debate something with a guy who thinks Floyd Patterson was an undeserving champion
Mora, Harris, M'Baye and Arthur would all beat Con. Maussa and Cook would draw with him. Con beats Rees.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Gianfranco Rossi
Henry Maske
Vincenzo Nardiello