Who's the boxer that personally you think is overrated ? That gets far too much coverage in the press and by his fans but you cant see what all the fuss is about. Past and present fighters.
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Who's the boxer that personally you think is overrated ? That gets far too much coverage in the press and by his fans but you cant see what all the fuss is about. Past and present fighters.
Pavlik, dont see the attraction to be honest, didnt see it before Hopkins schooled him.
Gotta be Joy Jones Jr.
By himself more than others Vargas.
Cory Spinks
agreed about pavlik, got some power but, didnt see anything else!
De La Hoya. Whats all the hoopla about? This guy has not looked good in a long time.:confused::confused::confused::confused::conf used:
Whos gunna be the first to mention Calzaghe and the thread gets turned into another "He has faught nothing but bums" lol.
Joe Calzaghe
He has foughten the second most competitive fight with MAyweather of FLoyd's career though going by rounds it should have been a landslide. He also beat Forbes nearly every round who is a very accomplished pro, and he ko'ed Mayorga in a way nobody else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
As I look back, I am starting to think more and more Hagler was overrated. Most of his glory comes from beating natural ww's or even a lightweight in DUran's case, but his fight with Duran was very close, and he just had a better jaw then Hearns. Leonard made him look horrible whether he won or not. Besides that I don't consider his competition any stronger than Calzaghe's or Roy JOnes Jr's if not actually weaker. His most recognizable fae besides the other members of the fantastic four was Mugabi who imo turned out to be a joke against top level competition, Terry Norris KO'ed him, Gerland McClellan did as well in 1 round. All in all I think Hagler's career shows that back in the day a few good wins(not even good wins but fights against big name opponents) could consolidate your career where as now you need more than that.
Charlie Zelenoff ;D;D
Roberto Duran vs Marvin Hagler wasn't that close, thats a myth. Check out this thread i already answered your questions above.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHe has foughten the second most competitive fight with MAyweather of FLoyd's career though going by rounds it should have been a landslide. He also beat Forbes nearly every round who is a very accomplished pro, and he ko'ed Mayorga in a way nobody else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
As I look back, I am starting to think more and more Hagler was overrated. Most of his glory comes from beating natural ww's or even a lightweight in DUran's case, but his fight with Duran was very close, and he just had a better jaw then Hearns. Leonard made him look horrible whether he won or not. Besides that I don't consider his competition any stronger than Calzaghe's or Roy JOnes Jr's if not actually weaker. His most recognizable fae besides the other members of the fantastic four was Mugabi who imo turned out to be a joke against top level competition, Terry Norris KO'ed him, Gerland McClellan did as well in 1 round. All in all I think Hagler's career shows that back in the day a few good wins(not even good wins but fights against big name opponents) could consolidate your career where as now you need more than that.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-better-2.html
Mayorga
Pac
Had he met fighters in their prime he wouldnt be so well known
Good call! When it does happen, oh boy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerharvey
HAHA! Was waiting for either you, bruno, or Dark Lord to come in here and say that. You won!Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Any possible chance to poke at him, you're right there. Gotta admire your consistency. Dealing with a Pac hater is just as hard as dealing with a Pac fan so you guys are made for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Just like the Calzaghe thing, wait til Saddoboxer gets in here and sees your post!
. .. .yeah I hate Pac and his fans. So what ! You lot do my head in and none of you have a clue about the reality of boxing and the fact that theres more to boxing than just Pacquiao. I duno how you are gonna cope when he is goneQuote:
Originally Posted by C-LoGood call! When it does happen, oh boy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerharvey
HAHA! Was waiting for either you, bruno, or Dark Lord to come in here and say that. You won!Quote:
Originally Posted by kingfrnk
Any possible chance to poke at him, you're right there. Gotta admire your consistency. Dealing with a Pac hater is just as hard as dealing with a Pac fan so you guys are made for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Just like the Calzaghe thing, wait til Saddoboxer gets in here and sees your post!
I've always said that if the amount of money a fighter earns is any measure of his ability, then de la Hoya is overrated. But I guess there is more to the money thing than just what happens inside the ring.
When he's gone, you'll see a bunch of posters in here leave the forum. But there will always be another fighter who gets this type of following. I think Hatton and Calzaghe fanatics are just as worse as Pacquiao's.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. .. .yeah I hate Pac and his fans. So what ! You lot do my head in and none of you have a clue about the reality of boxing and the fact that theres more to boxing than just Pacquiao. I duno how you are gonna cope when he is goneQuote:
Originally Posted by C-LoGood call! When it does happen, oh boy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxerharvey
HAHA! Was waiting for either you, bruno, or Dark Lord to come in here and say that. You won!
Any possible chance to poke at him, you're right there. Gotta admire your consistency. Dealing with a Pac hater is just as hard as dealing with a Pac fan so you guys are made for each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Just like the Calzaghe thing, wait til Saddoboxer gets in here and sees your post!
I wouldnt know. I havent had to deal with any Calzaghe or Hatton fans. I think both boxers are good but Hatton fans may go over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoWhen he's gone, you'll see a bunch of posters in here leave the forum. But there will always be another fighter who gets this type of following. I think Hatton and Calzaghe fanatics are just as worse as Pacquiao's.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. .. .yeah I hate Pac and his fans. So what ! You lot do my head in and none of you have a clue about the reality of boxing and the fact that theres more to boxing than just Pacquiao. I duno how you are gonna cope when he is goneQuote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
I have and holy crap! Those are some crazy people. Calzaghe and Pacquiao fanatics are on the same level. If I'm a fan of Pacquiao and Pac huggers have the ability to make me go "WOW! Is this guys is serious!?" Calzaghe fans have made me say the same things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI wouldnt know. I havent had to deal with any Calzaghe or Hatton fans. I think both boxers are good but Hatton fans may go over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoWhen he's gone, you'll see a bunch of posters in here leave the forum. But there will always be another fighter who gets this type of following. I think Hatton and Calzaghe fanatics are just as worse as Pacquiao's.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I haven't really had problems with Hatton fans. Just when they boo national anthems but that's about it.
Yeah theres no excuse for booing the national anthem . That just made the Brits look like scum and Hatton got a beating in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoI have and holy crap! Those are some crazy people. Calzaghe and Pacquiao fanatics are on the same level. If I'm a fan of Pacquiao and Pac huggers have the ability to make me go "WOW! Is this guys is serious!?" Calzaghe fans have made me say the same things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI wouldnt know. I havent had to deal with any Calzaghe or Hatton fans. I think both boxers are good but Hatton fans may go over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
I haven't really had problems with Hatton fans. Just when they boo national anthems but that's about it.
Hatton fans were unbelieveable before Mayweather :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoI have and holy crap! Those are some crazy people. Calzaghe and Pacquiao fanatics are on the same level. If I'm a fan of Pacquiao and Pac huggers have the ability to make me go "WOW! Is this guys is serious!?" Calzaghe fans have made me say the same things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEI wouldnt know. I havent had to deal with any Calzaghe or Hatton fans. I think both boxers are good but Hatton fans may go over the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
I haven't really had problems with Hatton fans. Just when they boo national anthems but that's about it.
then after that it kinda died down a bit.
Pac made Morales, Barrera, and Marquez look overrated. He's 5W 1L 1D with 3 KOs and 12 KDs combined against them. How could you call Pacquiao overrated? God I can't stand dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:mad:
Christian Mijares
I've watched the fight plenty of times it was very close.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBRoberto Duran vs Marvin Hagler wasn't that close, thats a myth. Check out this thread i already answered your questions above.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHe has foughten the second most competitive fight with MAyweather of FLoyd's career though going by rounds it should have been a landslide. He also beat Forbes nearly every round who is a very accomplished pro, and he ko'ed Mayorga in a way nobody else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
As I look back, I am starting to think more and more Hagler was overrated. Most of his glory comes from beating natural ww's or even a lightweight in DUran's case, but his fight with Duran was very close, and he just had a better jaw then Hearns. Leonard made him look horrible whether he won or not. Besides that I don't consider his competition any stronger than Calzaghe's or Roy JOnes Jr's if not actually weaker. His most recognizable fae besides the other members of the fantastic four was Mugabi who imo turned out to be a joke against top level competition, Terry Norris KO'ed him, Gerland McClellan did as well in 1 round. All in all I think Hagler's career shows that back in the day a few good wins(not even good wins but fights against big name opponents) could consolidate your career where as now you need more than that.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-better-2.html
I thought Marvin Hagler clearly won by atleast 3 or 4 rounds, Roberto Duran faded badly down the stretch and Marvin Hagler built up a good lead based on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI've watched the fight plenty of times it was very close.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBRoberto Duran vs Marvin Hagler wasn't that close, thats a myth. Check out this thread i already answered your questions above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-better-2.html
Here are fighters whom I feel get a wee bit too much rating from people.
Riddick Bowe:
I've read things like "Bowe at his best/prime he'd beat Ali" or he'd beat Lennox.
I mean really how long was Bowes prime?
1 fight.... :-\
Aaron Pryor:
Such a short career, whos premier wins came over 2 fighters who were past their best days. Plus this whole "SRL ran from him" has become a line used to try and glorify him. SRL wasn't the only top fighter around so to me it doesn't mean much.
I would hardly say he made those three look overrated. He just had Barrera's number. Morales fought a perfect game plan in the first fight and beat him. The second Morales fight was competitive the whole way Pac just wore him out. The third fight was the most dominating of all the fight against the three.Quote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaPac made Morales, Barrera, and Marquez look overrated. He's 5W 1L 1D with 3 KOs and 12 KDs combined against them. How could you call Pacquiao overrated? God I can't stand dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:mad:
Marquez vs Pacquiao could've gone either way each time so I don't think one had dominance over the other.
Either way. I get what you mean on your last two sentences.
bless, he even knows the combined knock downs.Quote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaPac made Morales, Barrera, and Marquez look overrated. He's 5W 1L 1D with 3 KOs and 12 KDs combined against them. How could you call Pacquiao overrated? God I can't stand dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:mad:
Personally I'd have to say vargas and more Mayorga. More and more, especially with Mayorga they've just became names for people to look good beating.
Good names. See my comments above.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
. . . and I cant stand retards like youQuote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaPac made Morales, Barrera, and Marquez look overrated. He's 5W 1L 1D with 3 KOs and 12 KDs combined against them. How could you call Pacquiao overrated? God I can't stand dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:mad:
Pacs never beatern a fighter in his prime. That makes him over rated. Was Tervor Berbick great cuz he beat a washed up Ali ? No .
I had it two or three rounds, either way over 15 rounds it different than over 12 rounds, also I don't just go by rounds. FOr the majority of the fight they were more or less even. Duran being at such a high weight, being older, being in more wars obviously played against him, but once again he was a natural lightweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI thought Marvin Hagler clearly won by atleast 3 or 4 rounds, Roberto Duran faded badly down the stretch and Marvin Hagler built up a good lead based on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI've watched the fight plenty of times it was very close.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Did he fight Ali 5 times? You're an idiot. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. . . and I cant stand retards like youQuote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaPac made Morales, Barrera, and Marquez look overrated. He's 5W 1L 1D with 3 KOs and 12 KDs combined against them. How could you call Pacquiao overrated? God I can't stand dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:mad:
Pacs never beatern a fighter in his prime. That makes him over rated. Was Tervor Berbick great cuz he beat a washed up Ali ? No .
Anyone who calls a 4 time champion in 4 diff divs an overrated doesn't know they're talking about.
wtf do you know anyway. youre a nobody so your opinion means sweet FA. Aguy whos been knocked out by bums is over rated in my opinion . I dont expect spastics like you to agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaDid he fight Ali 5 times? You're an idiot. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. . . and I cant stand retards like youQuote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
Pacs never beatern a fighter in his prime. That makes him over rated. Was Tervor Berbick great cuz he beat a washed up Ali ? No .
Anyone who calls a 4 time champion in 4 diff divs an overrated doesn't know they're talking about.
Actually, technically Pac won 5 championships in 5 diff divs...
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listen to dan rafael http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/...goryId=2491554
I'm your long lost father. You're the product of a condom gone bad. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEwtf do you know anyway. youre a nobody so your opinion means sweet FA. Aguy whos been knocked out by bums is over rated in my opinion . I dont expect spastics like you to agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaDid he fight Ali 5 times? You're an idiot. STFU.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Anyone who calls a 4 time champion in 4 diff divs an overrated doesn't know they're talking about.
Quote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaI'm your long lost father. You're the product of a condom gone bad. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEwtf do you know anyway. youre a nobody so your opinion means sweet FA. Aguy whos been knocked out by bums is over rated in my opinion . I dont expect spastics like you to agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by James_Teja
:rolleyes:
Great boxing related post . . .
another pacfan who can dish it out but cant take it ! dirty scum ;)
wow...Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaI'm your long lost father. You're the product of a condom gone bad. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:rolleyes:
Great boxing realted post . . .
another pacfan who can dish it out but cant take it ! dirty scum ;)
Brutal comeback!
Lol Pac fans I will miss them they believe everything If Roach says Pac training with bruce lee's ghost they believe itQuote:
Originally Posted by GAMEYeah theres no excuse for booing the national anthem . That just made the Brits look like scum and Hatton got a beating in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoI have and holy crap! Those are some crazy people. Calzaghe and Pacquiao fanatics are on the same level. If I'm a fan of Pacquiao and Pac huggers have the ability to make me go "WOW! Is this guys is serious!?" Calzaghe fans have made me say the same things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I haven't really had problems with Hatton fans. Just when they boo national anthems but that's about it.
So Pacman never beat a single fighter in his prime? Its funny people only think guys like this only think Pacquiao big wins have been against these three mexican greats.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME. . . and I cant stand retards like youQuote:
Originally Posted by James_TejaPac made Morales, Barrera, and Marquez look overrated. He's 5W 1L 1D with 3 KOs and 12 KDs combined against them. How could you call Pacquiao overrated? God I can't stand dumb people.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
:mad:
Pacs never beatern a fighter in his prime. That makes him over rated. Was Tervor Berbick great cuz he beat a washed up Ali ? No .
ALso JMM was 30-31 that is considered in or near you prime these days.
Barrera was 30 when Pacquiao beat him
after that Barrera beat
Ayala, Morales, Peden, Rocky Juarezx2, and he fought a close fight with JMM.
And immediately before losing to Pacquiao the two years before that Barrera
beat Morales, Kevin Kelly, Tapia, and had his big win over Hamed.
If anything around the first fight Barrera was in the prime of his new style that he incorporated.
You could make an argument that MOrales wasn't in his prime, but people thought he was near it just a year earlier as he fought a great fight with Barrera, and people are acting like he dominated Pacquiao, but he won by a round or two in reality. The difference the next time they met was that Pacquiao had continued to improve.
JMM like I said is roughyl in the same stage of his career as Calzaghe is right now, physically he might not be quite where he was, but he has made up for that by making adjustments to his style, and he just Ko'ed Casamayor, dominated Juarez, beat Barrera in a good fight. In the first fight JMM like I said was definitely in his prime, in the second one he was very close to it.
Regardless all Morales, Barrera, JMM were in the top 10 p4p when Pacquiao beat them. That is saying something.