Which prospect on Dec 06 has the most potential?

Wow these are three prospects who match up with any prospect in the business, but who will achieve the most in their career?

Victor Ortiz: good speed and power, great amateur who's chin I question a little bit, but seems to be the complete package. He's 21 and has had 23 fights.

Juan Manuel Lopez: the furthest into his career of these three, he has scary power, good boxing skills, not as fast as the other two, but definitely a future star, and very dynamic fighter.

Then there is
Daniel Jacobs: This kid has incredible handspeed, great body work, the most untested, but has good power, and like I said you have to love that left hook to the body, and he also seems pretty tight technically.

All three are great, but I wouldn't call JuanMa a prospect anymore, he's already in top eschelon of his division, and he's an honorary alphabet soup member.

I really like Danny Jacobs, he's really got his game under control.

I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

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I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

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I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

Ortiz is the one I'm most exited about from those.

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I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

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I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

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No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

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I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

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I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

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No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

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We're gonna have to agree to disagree, I consider those guys contenders and champs.

hey there boxin on here

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I can't agree with this definition, because that would mean Molitor, Caballero, Gonzalez, DPDL and Penalosa are all prospects as well.

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No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

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We're gonna have to agree to disagree, I consider those guys contenders and champs.

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Not trying to argue, but how did we know how Molitor would do against Caballero until they fought?

How would we know how ALi would do against Liston? Or Roy vs Toney?

I feel that until these guys fight the best in the world at their division there is always doubt about how good they will be when they take that step up.

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Ortiz is the one I'm most exited about from those.

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Agreed.Looking forward to his go with Resto Saturday night,nice step.Legitimate southpaw power & hand speed.Like his cofidence and activity also.

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No it isn't, they have never had JML's potential which is what I am saying, I think Roy Jones JR was a prospect until he faced James Toney ,and the world realized how good he was, even though he was already a title holder at middleweight, and had beaten respectable names.

I think Ali was a prospect until he faced Listion though he had already foughten good fighters before then

Mayweather was largely considered a prospect until he beat Corrales, even though it was his seventh title defense.

I still view Berto has a prosecpt even though he has a title, because he hasn't foughten the best yet.

LIke I said I think a guy is a prospect until he faces somebody who is considered at least even with him going into the fight.

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We're gonna have to agree to disagree, I consider those guys contenders and champs.

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Not trying to argue, but how did we know how Molitor would do against Caballero until they fought?

How would we know how ALi would do against Liston? Or Roy vs Toney?

I feel that until these guys fight the best in the world at their division there is always doubt about how good they will be when they take that step up.

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Let me try to understand your logic here better tell me if I understand correctly.

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1) Champ - The man of the division
2) Contender - People who have lost to the champ
3) Prospect - People who have not yet fought the champ.

is that correct?

Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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See this is where we are going to disagree (respectfully of course). In my estimation anyone that gets to level of challenging for an alphabet title or gets an eliminator bout should be considered a contender, the guys that make up the upper level of any weight class. JuanMa beat DPDL, a guy who has held a strap for a while and held a level of repsect in a division that is has been for sometime loaded with talent. Here's how I would break down my categories.

1. Champ - The Ring Champ
2. Strap Holder - Holder of any of the big four titles
3. Contender - Anyone that is within a fight or two of a title shot or eliminator shot
4. Fringe Contender/Journeyman - Someone that acts as a gatekeeper to contender status, their reward for beating a prospect is to move back into the contender position
5. Prospect - Someone who has not challenged any contenders, but shows promise
6. The Pack - any of the thousands of others that don't have connections to major promoters, or the talent to make a move.

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Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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See this is where we are going to disagree (respectfully of course). In my estimation anyone that gets to level of challenging for an alphabet title or gets an eliminator bout should be considered a contender, the guys that make up the upper level of any weight class. JuanMa beat DPDL, a guy who has held a strap for a while and held a level of repsect in a division that is has been for sometime loaded with talent. Here's how I would break down my categories.

1. Champ - The Ring Champ
2. Strap Holder - Holder of any of the big four titles
3. Contender - Anyone that is within a fight or two of a title shot or eliminator shot
4. Fringe Contender/Journeyman - Someone that acts as a gatekeeper to contender status, their reward for beating a prospect is to move back into the contender position
5. Prospect - Someone who has not challenged any contenders, but shows promise
6. The Pack - any of the thousands of others that don't have connections to major promoters, or the talent to make a move.

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Very accurate assessment of those terms if I may say so:cool:

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Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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See this is where we are going to disagree (respectfully of course). In my estimation anyone that gets to level of challenging for an alphabet title or gets an eliminator bout should be considered a contender, the guys that make up the upper level of any weight class. JuanMa beat DPDL, a guy who has held a strap for a while and held a level of repsect in a division that is has been for sometime loaded with talent. Here's how I would break down my categories.

1. Champ - The Ring Champ
2. Strap Holder - Holder of any of the big four titles
3. Contender - Anyone that is within a fight or two of a title shot or eliminator shot
4. Fringe Contender/Journeyman - Someone that acts as a gatekeeper to contender status, their reward for beating a prospect is to move back into the contender position
5. Prospect - Someone who has not challenged any contenders, but shows promise
6. The Pack - any of the thousands of others that don't have connections to major promoters, or the talent to make a move.

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Very accurate assessment of those terms if I may say so:cool:

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Indeed, in all my years here i've never seen anyone set out a guide of how you would fit someone into the catagory of Journeyman etc...
It's interesting how you could expand as well.. I'd say a journeyman is also a prospect who has had a shot or 2 at a contender and not particularly impressed, but is always ahead of the pack and has beaten some decent prospects..

I've only seen one Jacobs fight, but he looked impressive and will definitely be a good fighter to watch in the future..

urgh..............


surely amir khan deserves a mention


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Amir Khan.

Ortiz would have been my pick but then i remembered Khan stopped him in the ams, and Khan is fighting tomorrow so i thought i'd be a smart arse and pick him. :D

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Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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See this is where we are going to disagree (respectfully of course). In my estimation anyone that gets to level of challenging for an alphabet title or gets an eliminator bout should be considered a contender, the guys that make up the upper level of any weight class. JuanMa beat DPDL, a guy who has held a strap for a while and held a level of repsect in a division that is has been for sometime loaded with talent. Here's how I would break down my categories.

1. Champ - The Ring Champ
2. Strap Holder - Holder of any of the big four titles
3. Contender - Anyone that is within a fight or two of a title shot or eliminator shot
4. Fringe Contender/Journeyman - Someone that acts as a gatekeeper to contender status, their reward for beating a prospect is to move back into the contender position
5. Prospect - Someone who has not challenged any contenders, but shows promise
6. The Pack - any of the thousands of others that don't have connections to major promoters, or the talent to make a move.

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I like those categories alot ;D

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Amir Khan.

Ortiz would have been my pick but then i remembered Khan stopped him in the ams, and Khan is fighting tomorrow so i thought i'd be a smart arse and pick him. :D

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loss or no loss

if khan held an american passport the members of saddos would be building him up like kirkland or gamboa!!

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Amir Khan.

Ortiz would have been my pick but then i remembered Khan stopped him in the ams, and Khan is fighting tomorrow so i thought i'd be a smart arse and pick him. :D

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loss or no loss

if khan held an american passport the members of saddos would be building him up like kirkland or gamboa!!

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What are you basing that on? Have you read what most of Saddo's members said about Kirkland after his last fight?

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Amir Khan.

Ortiz would have been my pick but then i remembered Khan stopped him in the ams, and Khan is fighting tomorrow so i thought i'd be a smart arse and pick him. :D

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loss or no loss

if khan held an american passport the members of saddos would be building him up like kirkland or gamboa!!

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What are you basing that on? Have you read what most of Saddo's members said about Kirkland after his last fight?

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No doubt.Just a thought ,how about Khan vs. Ann Wolfe ?Now thats a fight ;D

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Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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See this is where we are going to disagree (respectfully of course). In my estimation anyone that gets to level of challenging for an alphabet title or gets an eliminator bout should be considered a contender, the guys that make up the upper level of any weight class. JuanMa beat DPDL, a guy who has held a strap for a while and held a level of repsect in a division that is has been for sometime loaded with talent. Here's how I would break down my categories.

1. Champ - The Ring Champ
2. Strap Holder - Holder of any of the big four titles
3. Contender - Anyone that is within a fight or two of a title shot or eliminator shot
4. Fringe Contender/Journeyman - Someone that acts as a gatekeeper to contender status, their reward for beating a prospect is to move back into the contender position
5. Prospect - Someone who has not challenged any contenders, but shows promise
6. The Pack - any of the thousands of others that don't have connections to major promoters, or the talent to make a move.

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I look at things very similar to this too.

But the champ (The Man) doesn't necessarily have to be The Ring champ. Take the supermiddles... I regard Kessler as clearly the TOP man since Calzaghe's departure and Kessler regaining the winning thread.

His form stands out amongst the other top guys - Bute, Froch, Andrade, Pascal, Mundine etc.. without him needing The Ring title.

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Thats close to it, I respect your opinion of it, I guess its hard to say, Personally I still think Dawson is a little bit of a prospect, I think a guy with a certain amount of ability needs to have that defining fight, I mean Hopkins, we didn't really know how to cage his skills until he fought Trinidad at 36, so it gets tricky, but I consider a prospect a guy who we still have questions about what he can become, as opposed to guys who we feel we have a pretty good indication of what skill level they have, how good they can possibly get, so to contradict what I've said before I think a prospect is a guy who hasnt' peaked yet. I think a guy like JML should be in the top 10 p4p eventually, and when that happens he will have stopped being a prospect. I still think Cotto was a prospect/belt holder until he fought Judah, because despite the Quintana fight, we saw his weaknesses as well, and thats when I knew for sure that he was going to be able to hang with the big boys. For Mayweather it was Corrales, Pavlik it was Taylor, Taylor it was Hopkins, Kessler it was the way IMO that he beat Mundine in the second half of that fight. Vazquez it was beating Marquez in the rematch. Pacquiao it was beating Barrera.

Some guys don't have the potential so I feel they reach their mark faster, but some guys have all the potential in the world, and I think that they need the right opponent to bring it out of them, or the right opponent to show, "look I can compete or beat anyone in the world."

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See this is where we are going to disagree (respectfully of course). In my estimation anyone that gets to level of challenging for an alphabet title or gets an eliminator bout should be considered a contender, the guys that make up the upper level of any weight class. JuanMa beat DPDL, a guy who has held a strap for a while and held a level of repsect in a division that is has been for sometime loaded with talent. Here's how I would break down my categories.

1. Champ - The Ring Champ
2. Strap Holder - Holder of any of the big four titles
3. Contender - Anyone that is within a fight or two of a title shot or eliminator shot
4. Fringe Contender/Journeyman - Someone that acts as a gatekeeper to contender status, their reward for beating a prospect is to move back into the contender position
5. Prospect - Someone who has not challenged any contenders, but shows promise
6. The Pack - any of the thousands of others that don't have connections to major promoters, or the talent to make a move.

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I look at things very similar to this too.

But the champ (The Man) doesn't necessarily have to be The Ring champ. Take the supermiddles... I regard Kessler as clearly the TOP man since Calzaghe's departure and Kessler regaining the winning thread.

His form stands out amongst the other top guys - Bute, Froch, Andrade, Pascal, Mundine etc.. without him needing The Ring title.

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I can certainly make an addendum to reflect this statement, I totally agree. What I can't agree with is Taeth's definition of Prospect, because that would mean Bute (who has potential, but has not faced Kessler) would still be a prospect.

Jacobs looks to have ability but I really don't know enough yet, I've only seen him once or twice and one of the times he was in against the most laughably bad fighter I've seen in a long time.

I would go with Lopez.

I like Ortiz, I'm not sure if he what it takes to be special. We'll see I guess. The main thing is he needs to fight, the guy's activity level is terrible, Bernard Hopkins fights more often than him.

People are taking to literally what I am saying about the belt, I am just saying that guys are prospects if they haven't reached their potential, I consider even the young guys who are contenders to be prospect, but its just words, and each person identifies them differently.

Now what about the champions who own one of the beloved XYZ belts.What are they classified under?

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Now what about the champions who own one of the beloved XYZ belts.What are they classified under?

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By the Killersheep categorization method, those would be Strap Holders.

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Amir Khan.

Ortiz would have been my pick but then i remembered Khan stopped him in the ams, and Khan is fighting tomorrow so i thought i'd be a smart arse and pick him. :D

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loss or no loss

if khan held an american passport the members of saddos would be building him up like kirkland or gamboa!!

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;D Hilarious.

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I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

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Juan Manuel's a champion, not a prospect. Maybe not a very well known champion, but a champion nonetheless. Prospects are good fighters with high probabilities of someday becoming champions. Therein lies the difference.

Glad to be of help.

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I consider a fighter a prospect depending on their potential, I think until JML fights either Marquez or Vazquez that he is a prospect.

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Juan Manuel's a champion, not a prospect. Maybe not a very well known champion, but a champion nonetheless. Prospects are good fighters with high probabilities of someday becoming champions. Therein lies the difference.

Glad to be of help.

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Once again IMO belt holder and champion are two different things nowadays, being the ring champion IMO is being the champion.

Wow, I can be wonderfully redundant and wrong...

To answer the question I think it's JML because I think only JML has showed he has what it takes to be great as in the best fighter in boxing great, I think it's pretty hard to bet against him against anyone and he will be THE guy in the not to distant future. Really excited to see him I think there are a lot of guys coming up.

I can understand how JML can still be considered a prospect just based on what he's done versus what he is expecting to hopes to do. Certainly he has bigger fish to fry then Ponce De Leon or any of these guys he's beat, he still hasn't actually been tested in the ring yet with anyone close to his skill level. So I can understand how one could call him a prospect, I think it's OK either way.

Also what the hell is Hattonthehammer on about? Does he post here anymore I mean really, really? Wrong on about 10 trillion levels. I really don't want this to turn into a UK Fans versus US Fans thread but I have to get this in, if Andre Ward, Andre Berto, Andre Dirrell or the Peterson brothers got KO'd in the 1st round by a wild swinging Colombian, you couldn't get anyone here to say one good word about a win over Oisin Fagan. I think Khan is almost being given a break now that he's coming back simply because it's like an easy target. He's getting treated very well imo while Kirkland and Gamboa, guys who should be creating tremendous buzz simply because they are fun to watch fight, like Khan but at a higher level, aren't.

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Amir Khan.

Ortiz would have been my pick but then i remembered Khan stopped him in the ams, and Khan is fighting tomorrow so i thought i'd be a smart arse and pick him. :D

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loss or no loss

if khan held an american passport the members of saddos would be building him up like kirkland or gamboa!!

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You are crazy. Khan has gotten so much hype here it isn't even funny, and the mainstream British media his given 10x the expose either Kirkland or Gamboa is getting.

If you still consider Andre Dirrell a prospect, he's is the best right now, followed by Ortiz. I can see him beating ANYBODY in at 168 within two years. He's not quite ready for Kessler right now, but I think beats most of them fight now. Maybe that makes him a contender, but considering that some people still think Berto is a prospect, I'm making Dirrell a prospect. I can see guys Gamboa and Kirkland having fatal flaws that will exposed badly by the wrong matchup, even if they end up grabbing straps.

If Andre Dirrell was British, Steve Bunce wouldn't be shutting up about this guy. He's certainly every bit of the fighter Froch is right now, he's younger, and doesn't have the dangerous technical flaws.

Andre Berto... great speed and skills. He will contend for a championship soon.

I thought you meant prospect in general. Now i see the dec 6th.