I am a Hatton fan, but he has no shot against Pacman. Manny is just too damn fast for him. It will be exciting but one-sided like this fight.
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I am a Hatton fan, but he has no shot against Pacman. Manny is just too damn fast for him. It will be exciting but one-sided like this fight.
probably so. he didnt looks slow from all the extra weight and had enough power to make Oscar quit on his stool. so yea i agree.
I dont think Manny tears Hatton to shreds. At 140 I think it has the hallmarks of being a true classic. Its now a pick 'em for me.
Ricky would be way different story... Too early to tell, but I think it would be a tough match... Not a walk-in-the-park like on DLH
For sure.this is the type of fight that can be featured on ESPN classics 30yrs from now. I think Ricky has a ton of heart to quit on his stool.but he doesnt have the foot speed to move laterally to stay away from flurries. All he can do is to cover up when Pac is throwing bombs. I think his best chance is if he could work the body early and maul Pac until he softens and go for the KO late.But I doubt it considering Pac's conditioning for every big fight and to his new found defense and elusiveness. I think it would be a competitive fight but Hatton would get the worst of the exchanges. And would be busted up late in the fight. It would be an insult to compare his skills to David Diaz but I thiink like Diaz's who has big heart he would keep fighting until you knock him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
It's funny how this fight was a complete mismatch in favour of Hatton until about 5 hours ago, now Hatton gets destroyed.
The integrity of boxing fans eh :rolleyes:
make the fight it will be a classic , Manny will start as favorite but bring it on.
Exactly.. I had to dig up the thread from a few days ago that was "Hatton would Maul Pacquaio"... Hatton v Pac sounded like a great matchup to me even before there was talk of Pac v Oscar...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
What we know now is Pac is as sharp at 140 at his lower weights,, and weight can't play a part anymore in deciding how he'll do against any light welters..
I suspect Hatton was thinking the same as me when watching the fight last night, shit Pac would be a tough fight. Add to that Hatton's difficulty with southpaws and it adds to the excitement.
What everybody is forgetting though is that when the whole 'Hatton would destroy Pacquaio' threads came up months back Manny hadn't even fought at LW. Common sense says he wouldn't be able to compete at 140.
Hindsight is a good thing though now ay? cus clearly he can compete!
This fight could be an absolute hall of famer, I give Rick the slight edge.
Pacquiao would also make Hatton quit on his stool or he would get knocked the phuk out. If Paulie was able to do damage to Hatton's pink little face, just imagine what Pac would do to that azz. Hatton would not last 8 rounds either. Hatton said he was the best at 140? LMAO! Pac would come in to the 140 division, azz rape Hatton and take his little trinket from him faster than a rabbit gets phuked ;D
The one I dug up re Hatton tearing Pac up was from 2 weeks ago... But you're right on and I think we can all agree that Pac can be considered now a genuine 140 pound fighter.. Not because he beat Oscar so convincingly who brought nothing to the table, but because he looked as sharp as he has at any lower weight, and in many ways has improved his movement....Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
It just makes 140 to 147 more exciting and there are at least 5 to 10 fighters that would be great for Pac to fight at 140 and 147...
I don't neccassarily see it like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Hatton's style, no matter how defensively inept is less "open" than De la Hoya. Oscar for long periods waked forward without a jab or feint, where he was tagged easily. Hatton would attempt to get inside and maraud Pac.
It's a style I can see potentially working
Exactly, points well made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
Pac didnt just beat Oscar he had him unable to come out for anymore punishment. He has definitely brought his pop up with him. He looked fine with the weight.
It has to be said that offensively Oscar was crap though. Apart from a couple of body shots Pac wasnt really tested. I have no doubts that Ricky will land a lot more than that.
I hope it comes off because its an intriguing mix of styles.
British fighters never quit on their stools like gutless Americans Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Stopped by cuts, knocked out by the ring post, battered in a bloody pulp and sparked with a single punch yes, but quit on our stools never :mad:
Wasn't the same Oscar people thought they were going to see either,watch the fight again and keep your eyes just on Oscars knees even early on,theres a wobble early and a deep fear or uncertainty in where they are going to take him, he had already shackled himself down mentally and physically so no power would come through.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly, points well made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
Pac didnt just beat Oscar he had him unable to come out for anymore punishment. He has definitely brought his pop up with him. He looked fine with the weight.
It has to be said that offensively Oscar was crap though. Apart from a couple of body shots Pac wasnt really tested. I have no doubts that Ricky will land a lot more than that.
I hope it comes off because its an intriguing mix of styles.
Hatton will do better than Oscar but Hatton is no longer the same dude that fought Kostya either, I dont think he would win, and Im not sure about Mayweather against Manny either, but hey I was wrong about tonight ;) too.
But Im glad for boxing and for the people of the Phillipines they deserve a break.
I think it'd be a close one.
I think its a good fight for Hatton, i mean if he loses it would be to the p4p champ , no disgrace in that. But if he were to win then its massive.
I would lean towards PACMAN but i really think its a no lose situation for Ricky.
1. he will get alot of money.
2. he has a chance of winning.
3. if he loses he loses to the very best.
Lets get it on !!!
All I will say is that if PBF doesn't come out of retirement then the Hatton fight MUST happen.
I can't wait
Maybe these two fight first then the winner gets Mayweather - that sounds about right.
Why was Oscar in that ring...:-\
unless there been beaten by the Irish *cough* Benn *cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBritish fighters never quit on their stools like gutless Americans Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Stopped by cuts, knocked out by the ring post, battered in a bloody pulp and sparked with a single punch yes, but quit on our stools never :mad:
;D
Nah...Can't imagine Ricky quitting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
This would be a tremendous fight. The powers that be PLEASE make it happen.
Pac slight favourite.
I would go with Hatton to win
You're right..Say like a Zab Judah.I think if he just had the heart of a Mexican or a Filipino he may have been one of the greats of this generation.and Brit's and Irish fighters too.Micky Ward,,wayne Maccullough..what's up with these races being real warriors than these 'talented' but gutless americans. In the case of the Mexicans and Filipinos I knew poverty is a factor.More so in the phillipines.I haven't seen a Flip who quitted on a bout.They keep fighting as long as they can.I remember this undercard fight on the Hatton-Malignaggi card this kid Boom-Boom was down and was bleeding furiously but he kept fighting until the final bell.And whenever I watch a Vasquez-Marquez fight it still amazes me how courageous this warriors are.In the case of Brits and these Irish boxers I'm still wondering what drives them aside from pride.Is it something genetic or cultural.If it is then fucck the American culture.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBritish fighters never quit on their stools like gutless Americans Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Stopped by cuts, knocked out by the ring post, battered in a bloody pulp and sparked with a single punch yes, but quit on our stools never :mad:
Pac vs Hatton would be very exciting. Before Pac fought DLH, I gave the advantage to HAtton coz I haven't seen Pac fight at 147.
With the way Pac beat DLH, I'm giving the advantage to Pac now. Of course, Ricky would be very very dangerous for Pac.:cool:
I'd give the advantage to Pac as well. Hatton-Pac was only really that interesting when the question was out of wether Pac could handle the weight, since he can I see him a clear favourite if it does happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Manny v Hatton
Wembley
London town 2009 :cool:
I disagree.
Hatton slaughters Pac. He beat Oscar De La Whora, an old man who's been there and done it who had no desire left in him.
Hatton is something else, remeber when everybody said on here Paulie Malignaggi would school Hatton ? :rolleyes: Look what happened. The best Ricky Hatton is still to come.
If it's at London I'm going for sure.
Good, unbiased opinion Bruce.Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Unlike some retards posting. Have some rep bro.
I don't care how awful De La Hoya looked. Manny was fast, quick, and had surprising pop in his hands at 147. At 140 he can only be stronger and faster. I say he rips Hatton a new one.
But what do I know?
;)
Actually, I was one of the few people who thought Pacman had a excellent chance to beat De La Hoya. Did not think it would be that one-sided, though. And I also thought Pac would probably beat Hatton, but after seeing the speed difference against a bigger guy I simply don't see how Ricky can beat him unless he just knocks him out. I mean, what would the strategy be? He will have to try to maul and bully him, but the way Pac was darting in and out against DLH makes that easier said then done. Late rounds stoppage win for Manny in a one-sided pasting, but I hope I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
If Hatton can force Manny on to the back foot he has a great chance of winning.He would have to get close and not let many find the time and space for his combinations tho. Iam still picking Hatton to win.
Manny will be in a fight at least if he fights Hatton.I think Pac Man will be the favorite going into the fight.
it would really depend on how motivated pac comes into this fight. if he still comes in the underdog and they do it in england i'd say he might bring out again one of his best performance. if pac becomes the favorite, i'd give hatton an even chance of pulling a win or just make manny a slight favorite. the hitman will give the pacman one heck of a fight at 140.
I never favored Hatton Personally,,,Could never produce a post saying so....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
IMO always Manny was too fast for Hatton.....
After last night it has become evident...and amazingly...that Manny can not only carry the same fast pace but he also can carry the power needed.....
I would not pick him against a Cotto, Margarito or Williams but at 140 I really don't see him losing to anyone
This is a stupid post. Race and nationality have nothing to do with a fighters heart and to suggest otherwise is pure ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyYou're right..Say like a Zab Judah.I think if he just had the heart of a Mexican or a Filipino he may have been one of the greats of this generation.and Brit's and Irish fighters too.Micky Ward,,wayne Maccullough..what's up with these races being real warriors than these 'talented' but gutless americans. In the case of the Mexicans and Filipinos I knew poverty is a factor.More so in the phillipines.I haven't seen a Flip who quitted on a bout.They keep fighting as long as they can.I remember this undercard fight on the Hatton-Malignaggi card this kid Boom-Boom was down and was bleeding furiously but he kept fighting until the final bell.And whenever I watch a Vasquez-Marquez fight it still amazes me how courageous this warriors are.In the case of Brits and these Irish boxers I'm still wondering what drives them aside from pride.Is it something genetic or cultural.If it is then fucck the American culture.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboBritish fighters never quit on their stools like gutless Americans Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny_G
Stopped by cuts, knocked out by the ring post, battered in a bloody pulp and sparked with a single punch yes, but quit on our stools never :mad:
As for Filipino's not quitting, AJ Banal pretty much gave up in his last fight.
And I still think Hatton beats Pac.
yeah, there are some filipinos who do quit and mexicans too. and you'd never thought duran would come out with the infamous "no mas". so it actually has nothing to do with race. although aj simply ran out of gas and would just have been totally ko'ed had he continued, same as cotto in his last outing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThis is a stupid post. Race and nationality have nothing to do with a fighters heart and to suggest otherwise is pure ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_pRoDiGyYou're right..Say like a Zab Judah.I think if he just had the heart of a Mexican or a Filipino he may have been one of the greats of this generation.and Brit's and Irish fighters too.Micky Ward,,wayne Maccullough..what's up with these races being real warriors than these 'talented' but gutless americans. In the case of the Mexicans and Filipinos I knew poverty is a factor.More so in the phillipines.I haven't seen a Flip who quitted on a bout.They keep fighting as long as they can.I remember this undercard fight on the Hatton-Malignaggi card this kid Boom-Boom was down and was bleeding furiously but he kept fighting until the final bell.And whenever I watch a Vasquez-Marquez fight it still amazes me how courageous this warriors are.In the case of Brits and these Irish boxers I'm still wondering what drives them aside from pride.Is it something genetic or cultural.If it is then fucck the American culture.:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
As for Filipino's not quitting, AJ Banal pretty much gave up in his last fight.
And I still think Hatton beats Pac.
Like i've been saying for ages"Make this fight happen!"It would be a awesome fight,,,a propper FIGHT!!Hatton vs Pacman june 2009 at Wembly(England)with a full house of 100,000 spectators in a open top arena!!
It would be a really really hard fight with guaranteed blood and gore!!:lickish:
yvonne, you're such a caveman. lol
Pacquiao never faced someone like Hatton. Someone who grapples a lot. Pac had a hard time with the rugged Agapito Dirty Sanchez, but that was 1-dimesional Pac.
But anyways, Pacman fights excellent especially when he is the underdog. So I hope most boxing writters would pick Hatton to win.
oscar's weight DID have something to do with pac's overwhelming performance, not to mention it wasn't a prime de la hoya he was with up there. they can play that up and still have pac as the underdog going to hatton's territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft