What are your feelings about a fighter who quits on the stool?

I remember when Tyson did this against the Irishman, Kevin McBride (a real nice lad by the way). I was a bit PO'd because I like my fighters to go out on their shield, but I realize there are many variables like bad cuts that might not heal properly, maybe ruining a guy's career by letting him go back in, protectinG from getting decked for the first time, etc. i RECALL When Oscar Diaz fought Golden Johnson, he should never have been let out of his corner to fight on with his horrible cuts. He was then sliced and diced like an Easter Ham. Onn the other hand, you would have to shoot a guy like Micky Ward or Katsidis before they quit.

Oscar did not seem to want to go back out there last night and I can't much blame him based on the beat down he was getting. Still, quitting on the stool is not a great thing for one's legacy.

What do you think? :confused:

In a sport where deaths are common, I dont really mind it.

If a fighter knows he has had enough then there is no point risking your health.

I think Oscar wanted to preserve whats left of his boxing career (I think he should absolutely retire) and the publics high reguard for him as a fighter. I think he feels he is still an elite fighter at the top of the mountain. The fact is he is not. Not anymore. He knew he has Millions of viewers witnessing what was happening, and as an Oscar fan because of what he has done for boxing I honesly didnt want to see him bloody on the canvas. He was beaten badly enough. He is a businessman now and he is always thinking like one. His quitting was last minute damage control in his mind I believe.

But usually I dont like when a fighter quits on his stool. I mean Tyson for example was not badly hurt when he quit, but he quit boxing all together so I guess he stayed true to his retirement.

depends really, if they are still in the fight its different but DLH hadnt even won a round. I dont box myself so i cant really comment as i never been ion that situation.

Kosta quit on his stool but i still like him. (no homo)

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

I think Oscar wanted to preserve whats left of his boxing career (I think he should absolutely retire) and the publics high reguard for him as a fighter. I think he feels he is still an elite fighter at the top of the mountain. The fact is he is not. Not anymore. He knew he has Millions of viewers witnessing what was happening, and as an Oscar fan because of what he has done for boxing I honesly didnt want to see him bloody on the canvas. He was beaten badly enough. He is a businessman now and he is always thinking like one. His quitting was last minute damage control in his mind I believe.

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I think you are giving him too much credit there. And I'm not trying to take a piece out of Oscar, but I doubt there were numbers rolling through his head on the stool. I bet there were lots of things, like humiliation, the want to preserve his face from the battering it was taking...fear. Shock. Questioning himself.

But I doubt he was hatching financial plans. You fight. Surely you know what goes on in a head between rounds. Now look at the beating he was taking, just prior to the call to stop. I can't see it being about money at that stage.

Now because he has a comfortable life, and made money, and will make more...I am positive those are factors to his performance. They would keep him from being hungry in the ring. He was not hungry, or driven. But as a before and after thought. Not a during thought.

It's not so bad when it comes at the end of their career and they retire.

I mean Oscar, I;m not sure if he quit or was stopped but he was only ever going to get knocked out, he just had nothing in his legs and clearly wasn't fit to fight.

As much as I don't like Oscar even I wouldn't have wanted to see an admitedlly great fighter get pounded on like that, Oscar has been great for the sport of boxing and clearly that was only 20% of Oscar last night so no pleasure in seeing him get beat down............well maybe a little pleasure :p

But some fighters seem to quit too easily. I never understood why Kosta quit against Hatton, and both Freitas and Julio Diaz cowarded out of their fights with Juan rather than get hurt.

Tyson quit but his heart wasn't in it any more and his star had faded so much by that point that it didn't matter either way.

I guess its smart at the end of the day, ultimately boxing is a sport not a fight to the death and if tonight is not your night why not save yourself for another night?

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom

I think Oscar wanted to preserve whats left of his boxing career (I think he should absolutely retire) and the publics high reguard for him as a fighter. I think he feels he is still an elite fighter at the top of the mountain. The fact is he is not. Not anymore. He knew he has Millions of viewers witnessing what was happening, and as an Oscar fan because of what he has done for boxing I honesly didnt want to see him bloody on the canvas. He was beaten badly enough. He is a businessman now and he is always thinking like one. His quitting was last minute damage control in his mind I believe.

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I think you are giving him too much credit there. And I'm not trying to take a piece out of Oscar, but I doubt there were numbers rolling through his head on the stool. I bet there were lots of things, like humiliation, the want to preserve his face from the battering it was taking...fear. Shock. Questioning himself.

But I doubt he was hatching financial plans. You fight. Surely you know what goes on in a head between rounds. Now look at the beating he was taking, just prior to the call to stop. I can't see it being about money at that stage.

Now because he has a comfortable life, and made money, and will make more...I am positive those are factors to his performance. They would keep him from being hungry in the ring. He was not hungry, or driven. But as a before and after thought. Not a during thought.

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No, he definately wasnt thinking about those things when he quit, he was probably thinking he just didnt want to take any more punishment. My point is Oscar wouldnt have quit 10,15 years ago imo. He just has higher priorities than fighting now but still cares about his legacy. He knows what point his career is at now and conceded to Pac. He realized about the 3rd round he was in over his head. He did as best he could there was just nothing there, he was drawing dead so he ended the beating. He has a lot of pride so I understand why he did it. That was the only thing he could control in the fight.

Can never hold it against a fighter, theyre the ones in there risking their lives so its not up to us to judge.

Yea I agree on that Boom Boom. He looked totally frustrated. And he isn't stupid. Thing weren't going to get any better for him in there, and he knew it. Self-preservation was the call, of limb and legacy.

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Originally Posted by cpcompany

In a sport where deaths are common, I dont really mind it.

If a fighter knows he has had enough then there is no point risking your health.

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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

The Sam Peter case was genuine quitting. He just couldn't be bothered and after 8/9 rounds or whatever it was he knew his payslip was in hand so the easy option was to go back home :rolleyes: Fraud.

The ODLH case was IMO time catching upto him and he had took enough punishment in the fight. Is he a quitter ? No.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

I remember when Tyson did this against the Irishman, Kevin McBride (a real nice lad by the way). I was a bit PO'd because I like my fighters to go out on their shield, but I realize there are many variables like bad cuts that might not heal properly, maybe ruining a guy's career by letting him go back in, protectinG from getting decked for the first time, etc. i RECALL When Oscar Diaz fought Golden Johnson, he should never have been let out of his corner to fight on with his horrible cuts. He was then sliced and diced like an Easter Ham. Onn the other hand, you would have to shoot a guy like Micky Ward or Katsidis before they quit.

Oscar did not seem to want to go back out there last night and I can't much blame him based on the beat down he was getting. Still, quitting on the stool is not a great thing for one's legacy.

What do you think? :confused:

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He should have never been allowed out of corner in the later rounds with Delvin Rodriquez either.His corner failed him badly imo.

Some fighters are pushed to the point when all they have left in pride & instinct.Corners need to take control,put personal feelings aside and look out for a guys courage getting the better of their judgment.I never have liked calling fighters quitters....Shite,I do not know what goes through their mind.Its all individual and i think it happens in most cases on spur of the moment.I remember big rough & tough Yori boy Campas who has stood in and battled until he fell over or just took a hammering for 10 or 12 rounds......and then in other fights,Carr,Vargas and Santos, he just called it a night,remained seated or turned his back.

But I'll always be thankful to him lol for making touch,feely Tony Ayala do the exact same thing :fight:

I just think DLH knew it was the end,he could do nothing and was getting pelayed,unraveling round by round and made a wise move.

My impression was that, aside from the physical aspects, he no longer has the desire (heart) to fight a hard tough battle. Probably it was the right move, for him, not to go back for more.

I don't mind it. If a guy doesn't want to fight any more that's his business. Obviously it is different if a guy fights a round or two and quits in order to collect a paycheck or something, but I've never seen that happen.

Its boxing's version of the tap-out.

Theres 3 reasons why i think someone would quit on the stool, They think they are goin to get seriously hurt, They are quitters/pussies, they went to collect a big pay check.

IMO, a fighter usually quits when he can't take the punishment anymore.

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Thread had me thinking.Bobby Czyz is a 4 timer at this,Rewatched his fights with Prince charles Williams and they were identical.He took a huge battering late rounds and corner was urging and telling him to continue on in the 2nd fight....Czyz had to insist he was finished for them to stop it ??Holyfield,Izaquire it was that his eyes & back were pained?

In most times, it is the corner that decides that, like in this case as discussed, where Nacho B was interpreted to have declared to Oscar that it is not his decision to make, it was Nacho's.

I remember the great Eddie Futch doing something similar for Joe Frazier in the Thrilla' in Manila going to the 14th round (?). Their interest, first and foremost, is the welfare of their fighter!

It is a matter of life and death, up there atop the ring, at all times... and so... an easy decision to choose LIFE, over death, when one is "gifted" with with even the slightest, COMMON SENSE!

Oscar was about to get knocked out or badly injured or both if he continued, he probably wanted to spare himself of both.

If it's justified then its a good decision to quit. Why put your life in more danger than you need to? Most fighters won't quit but you can usually always tell from their body language when they have had enough and thats when the corner should step in.

I know some boxing fans say Tszyu was still in a close fight(he was)and then ask why he quit but he said "I have never been that tired for years and years and years" If he went out for the final round he could have got hurt, it's fine saying he should have fought on in a close fight but if he had sustained a severe injury we would have had multiple threads on here saying the fight should have been halted when it was.

The doctor asked him if he had a headache and Oscar reluctulantly said yes. He wasn't going to do anything in that fight, he was getting beat on. He's got his family and other careers to think about too.

My view as a non boxer is that if somebody is willing to put their body so dramatically on the line as part and parcel of the sport, I am not going to crticise them if they decide they don't want to get punched any more. Who am I to criticise the heart of somebody who is willing to get punched in the face for a living when I sit at a desk in a warm office and produce accounts?

If you did your best, and prepared... which I think de la Hoya did...
.... I honestly think that he THOUGHT he could win.

Guys.... he was taking an unnecessary beating.

I think he was right to quit, no way he was going to win it, toward the end.

He was on his way to get seriously hurt. Lets face it, like him or not, Oscar's a rarity in the sport, in terms of intelligence. When he speaks, he actually has a bit of character, charm, and we can all understand him because he' speaks clearly! NOT MANY boxers can do that. Oscar was and is good for the sport, and lets hope he can keep being a promoter and continue to give back to the sport.

I've had complaints about his promoting in the past, but this loss and others is a wake-up call. I know that he knows he can't fool the audience any longer, NOW he HAS to put up great matches in order to stay in the sport and survive as a promoter. It's the only way. In a recession, he must put out quality matches. He has to, especially after this horrible defeat, physically he lost and his undercard pay per view just plain sucked! And the main event didn't live up to the billing, BUT I LOVED IT! haha Afterall, I won ten bucks. ;)

I was a little surprised when DLH packed it in against PAC. He was taking a pounding but he didn't seem to be hurt too bad. At the same time, he sure didn't look capable of throwing a half decent punch, let alone winning. So I guess it''s the right move. I guess it is his trainer and the doctor who are in the position to decide.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned here that is somewhat relevant. The guy did get paid 15-20 million dollars or whatever, and that confers a certain obligation to give it your best shot, both in the gym and in the ring. And be prepared to take a little punishment if necessary. Did he do those things in this fight? :-\

Another issue is whether or not DLH knew going in to the fight that something was missing. You'd think an experienced athlete, in tune with his body, would have some kind of idea that he was iin bad shape. Is it right to go through the motions anyway, just for another payday?

This is a question that lends itself to a double standard. As in... "it's ok when Oscar did it, but when anybody else does it, they're quitters."

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Originally Posted by CGM

I was a little surprised when DLH packed it in against PAC. He was taking a pounding but he didn't seem to be hurt too bad. At the same time, he sure didn't look capable of throwing a half decent punch, let alone winning. So I guess it''s the right move. I guess it is his trainer and the doctor who are in the position to decide.

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I think someone has already said that DLH was asked if he had a headache and reluctantly said that he had. When you start getting a headache during a fight and you are taking constant shots to the head time and again, it's time to pull yourself out before you end up with a serious injury - why risk brain damage for the sake of pride? He's got his family to think about, after all.

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Originally Posted by CGM

One thing I haven't seen mentioned here that is somewhat relevant. The guy did get paid 15-20 million dollars or whatever, and that confers a certain obligation to give it your best shot, both in the gym and in the ring. And be prepared to take a little punishment if necessary. Did he do those things in this fight? :-\

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He took a beating for nearly the entire duration of the fight. More importantly [and I say this as someone who paid to watch the fight] money is irrelevant; the man has a wife and kids at home. Would you risk putting yourself in a position where you may not be able to be a father to your children and a husband to your wife for the sake of any amount of money? Personally, I would put my family first - and my own health. I'm pretty sure DLH didn't want to quit - the fact that this was only his second stoppage [I think] tells you that he always does his best for himself and for the fans. Sometimes one's best just isn't good enough - and that, I think, was the case for DLH on the night.

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Originally Posted by CGM

Another issue is whether or not DLH knew going in to the fight that something was missing. You'd think an experienced athlete, in tune with his body, would have some kind of idea that he was iin bad shape. Is it right to go through the motions anyway, just for another payday?

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The thing you have to understand about any fighter, boxer or otherwise, is that they are proud and often exceedingly arrogant individuals - these elements of character are just part of the ingredients necessary to create a great fighter. Of course, this always leads to the same problem; boxers, especially those who have left their mark on the sport, rarely know whent to quit. It's tragic, but the same thing that elevated them on their way to the top often contributes to, or is entirely responsible for their downfall. For example, SRR suffered 15 of his 16 career defeats after his return to the ring in 1955 [the other was a decision against Jake LaMotta]. In fact, most professional athletes find retirement difficult, since they are often still quite young when their careers finish - where do you go from being preoccupied with excellence in your chosen field? Thus, many sportsmen carry on with their careers far longer than is truly reasonable.

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I was a little surprised when DLH packed it in against PAC. He was taking a pounding but he didn't seem to be hurt too bad. At the same time, he sure didn't look capable of throwing a half decent punch, let alone winning. So I guess it''s the right move. I guess it is his trainer and the doctor who are in the position to decide.

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I think someone has already said that DLH was asked if he had a headache and reluctantly said that he had. When you start getting a headache during a fight and you are taking constant shots to the head time and again, it's time to pull yourself out before you end up with a serious injury - why risk brain damage for the sake of pride? He's got his family to think about, after all.

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Originally Posted by CGM

One thing I haven't seen mentioned here that is somewhat relevant. The guy did get paid 15-20 million dollars or whatever, and that confers a certain obligation to give it your best shot, both in the gym and in the ring. And be prepared to take a little punishment if necessary. Did he do those things in this fight? :-\

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He took a beating for nearly the entire duration of the fight. More importantly [and I say this as someone who paid to watch the fight] money is irrelevant; the man has a wife and kids at home. Would you risk putting yourself in a position where you may not be able to be a father to your children and a husband to your wife for the sake of any amount of money? Personally, I would put my family first - and my own health. I'm pretty sure DLH didn't want to quit - the fact that this was only his second stoppage [I think] tells you that he always does his best for himself and for the fans. Sometimes one's best just isn't good enough - and that, I think, was the case for DLH on the night.

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Originally Posted by CGM

Another issue is whether or not DLH knew going in to the fight that something was missing. You'd think an experienced athlete, in tune with his body, would have some kind of idea that he was iin bad shape. Is it right to go through the motions anyway, just for another payday?

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The thing you have to understand about any fighter, boxer or otherwise, is that they are proud and often exceedingly arrogant individuals - these elements of character are just part of the ingredients necessary to create a great fighter. Of course, this always leads to the same problem; boxers, especially those who have left their mark on the sport, rarely know whent to quit. It's tragic, but the same thing that elevated them on their way to the top often contributes to, or is entirely responsible for their downfall. For example, SRR suffered 15 of his 16 career defeats after his return to the ring in 1955 [the other was a decision against Jake LaMotta]. In fact, most professional athletes find retirement difficult, since they are often still quite young when their careers finish - where do you go from being preoccupied with excellence in your chosen field? Thus, many sportsmen carry on with their careers far longer than is truly reasonable.

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A well reasoned post.

We've all seen fighters who were taking a pounding fight on and actually come back and win the fight when it's the last thing you thought would happen. I imagine Corrales had a bit of a headache when he got up off the canvas a second time against Castillo. Or Holmes against Shavers. Should a fighter stay in the ring and fight on if he is able to? Apparently not based on that alone.

I am the first to say that Oscar has proved himself many times, he's had a great career. He's never struck me as the quitting type, before Saturday. But then we've never seen him take a beatuing like that either. Not that I'm calling him a quitter after Saturday either.

Brain damage is a risk for anyone who steps into the ring. I know all about the risk boxers take, I don't underestimate it. Boxers take head shots. I would imagine a sore head (headache) is not the most unusual thing. I's be surprised if they stopped a fight every time a boxer had a sore head. That being said, if it was the doctor who stopped the fight, or if he strongly advised DLH to stay on his stool, based on factual information that DLH provided, then one can hardly fault DLH for doing so. So point taken there.

I always go back to 'The Thriller in Manilla' is Joe Frazier a quitter? IMO he is not, the right decision was made. Accumulation of punches cause more damage than a one punch knockout, Oscar was spent by round 5 and had nothing left, he made the right call at his age and with a family and long career ahead of him in the promotion field.
The fight was not competitive and he didn't ever look like he could turn the fight around.
Tszyu didn't want to quit, his corner did it for him. Tszyu had some problems post fight if i recall so the right decicion was made there too. Tszyu was more competitive in his fight but there was no way he was going to knock Hatton out in the final round (particulary with his balls hanging around his ankles);)
McGirt did the right thing with Paulie, he was never going to stop Hatton.

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I was a little surprised when DLH packed it in against PAC. He was taking a pounding but he didn't seem to be hurt too bad. At the same time, he sure didn't look capable of throwing a half decent punch, let alone winning. So I guess it''s the right move. I guess it is his trainer and the doctor who are in the position to decide.

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I think someone has already said that DLH was asked if he had a headache and reluctantly said that he had. When you start getting a headache during a fight and you are taking constant shots to the head time and again, it's time to pull yourself out before you end up with a serious injury - why risk brain damage for the sake of pride? He's got his family to think about, after all.



He took a beating for nearly the entire duration of the fight. More importantly [and I say this as someone who paid to watch the fight] money is irrelevant; the man has a wife and kids at home. Would you risk putting yourself in a position where you may not be able to be a father to your children and a husband to your wife for the sake of any amount of money? Personally, I would put my family first - and my own health. I'm pretty sure DLH didn't want to quit - the fact that this was only his second stoppage [I think] tells you that he always does his best for himself and for the fans. Sometimes one's best just isn't good enough - and that, I think, was the case for DLH on the night.

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Originally Posted by CGM

Another issue is whether or not DLH knew going in to the fight that something was missing. You'd think an experienced athlete, in tune with his body, would have some kind of idea that he was iin bad shape. Is it right to go through the motions anyway, just for another payday?

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The thing you have to understand about any fighter, boxer or otherwise, is that they are proud and often exceedingly arrogant individuals - these elements of character are just part of the ingredients necessary to create a great fighter. Of course, this always leads to the same problem; boxers, especially those who have left their mark on the sport, rarely know whent to quit. It's tragic, but the same thing that elevated them on their way to the top often contributes to, or is entirely responsible for their downfall. For example, SRR suffered 15 of his 16 career defeats after his return to the ring in 1955 [the other was a decision against Jake LaMotta]. In fact, most professional athletes find retirement difficult, since they are often still quite young when their careers finish - where do you go from being preoccupied with excellence in your chosen field? Thus, many sportsmen carry on with their careers far longer than is truly reasonable.

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A well reasoned post.

We've all seen fighters who were taking a pounding fight on and actually come back and win the fight when it's the last thing you thought would happen. I imagine Corrales had a bit of a headache when he got up off the canvas a second time against Castillo. Or Holmes against Shavers. Should a fighter stay in the ring and fight on if he is able to? Apparently not based on that alone.

I am the first to say that Oscar has proved himself many times, he's had a great career. He's never struck me as the quitting type, before Saturday. But then we've never seen him take a beatuing like that either. Not that I'm calling him a quitter after Saturday either.

Brain damage is a risk for anyone who steps into the ring. I know all about the risk boxers take, I don't underestimate it. Boxers take head shots. I would imagine a sore head (headache) is not the most unusual thing. I's be surprised if they stopped a fight every time a boxer had a sore head. That being said, if it was the doctor who stopped the fight, or if he strongly advised DLH to stay on his stool, based on factual information that DLH provided, then one can hardly fault DLH for doing so. So point taken there.

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To be fair, I think the only way DLH could have won that fight was by knockout - and I think the chances of that happening were slim to none. It's not so much that DLH didn't potentially have the power to KO Pac, I just could not envisage that scenario transpiring at any point in that fight after the eighth round. Of course, every fighter with power always has a puncher's chance - but that's all it would have been. I realise that brain damage is a risk for anyone stepping into the ring - most of the time such damage goes unnoticed, in fact, and I can remember several instances of fighters dying after fights [sometimes not until they took a punch in their next fight] due to brain damage inflicted during the ring. However, one must balance risk vs. reward. If I am DLH and I think I have a good chance to KO Pac in the final 4 rounds then I would opt to fight on, but if I don't think I have a chance, and the doctor has strongly advised retirement [which, as far as I know, DLH's doctor did], then, knowing that I'm miles behind on the scorecard the sensible thing to do is not get up for the next round. I suppose it comes down to whether a fighter makes the choice with head or heart; his pride and ego will always urge him to carry on until the final bell, but I have to say I think Oscar made the right choice by choosing not to put himself through further punishment for what I can only imagine would have been a loss by UD. Others will disagree and talk about reputation as a reward in itself, about 'the legacy', but one could argue continuing may have tarnished his reputation further. Besides that, I think going out again knowing it's almost certain you will lose is more of an emotional decision than a logical one, and as I said, DLH has not only himself but his family to think about.

The demeanor of Oscar on the stool, the way round 7 went, and how Pac closed off round 8...told me round 9 would have been an exercise in brutality decided by Pac if he wanted it to be. In the 8th I saw him hit hard and confidently, then moving away letting Oscar come back out, much like a cat playing with its prey. I found it sad to watch, and was glad for the stoppage.

You can't hold it against a fighter, no way. Nothing is more important then your health and I'm not in the position to question any fighter's resiliancy and smarts especially a great fighter, any great fighter. Didn't hold it against Acelino Freitas any of the times he quit and I hate when people do. In both fights he was getting tagged repeatedly and it has to be scary to be hit that much. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate when guys like David Diaz stay aggressive and try to win the whole fight and take more punishment then needed but if David Diaz decided he didn't want to take anymore punches would you blame him?

It's good to see some fighters have a sense of reason and if you feel you can't win a fight and one more round isn't worth the risk, there is no reason to jeapordize your well being for fans who won't care about you in a week when you are still having headaches.

I think the same about athletes who retire earlier then everyone wanted them to. If you can sit on money and be comfortable like Barry Sanders or Floyd Mayweather then more power to you. Don't think anyone is obligated to do anything in the sport. Even Zahir Raheem has the right to tell the fans to fuck off and fight the way he does because it's not us putting ourselves at risk in the ring. You are putting yourself at risk if you actually watch a Zahir Raheem fight though.

Hey as much as we all enjoy boxing, try to put yourself in their shoes. Oscar has 3 or 4 kids and a very pretty wife and he's 35 and 300+ million. Why risk brain damage/death when you have all that. Would you feel the same if your brother was up there? I haven't yet seen the fight, but I've read several round by round scores and it seems this was NOT the Oscar that fought Mayorga or the one that fought Mayweather.

I'm a HUGE Oscar fan but even I think it's time for him to quit fighting :( :( :(. And no matter what everyone says Tito DID NOT beat him & Mosley didn't beat him on the 2nd fight. Even Mayweather didn't convincingly beat him...why so many Oscar haters?

I think only the boxer knows how hurt they really are so I don't blame anyone for living to fight another day.


People are STILL harsh on Vitali Klitschko for his performance vs Chris Byrd and then when you compare that to Danny Williams and Evander Holyfield after suffering similar injuries and then look at where their careers went after the courses of action they took, Vitali made the right move and I dare anyone to say otherwise.

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Hey as much as we all enjoy boxing, try to put yourself in their shoes. Oscar has 3 or 4 kids and a very pretty wife and he's 35 and 300+ million. Why risk brain damage/death when you have all that. Would you feel the same if your brother was up there? I haven't yet seen the fight, but I've read several round by round scores and it seems this was NOT the Oscar that fought Mayorga or the one that fought Mayweather.

I'm a HUGE Oscar fan but even I think it's time for him to quit fighting :( :( :(. And no matter what everyone says Tito DID NOT beat him & Mosley didn't beat him on the 2nd fight. Even Mayweather didn't convincingly beat him...why so many Oscar haters?

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people have been waiting for this for years.

Fighters who quit on stool were mentally damaged during the fight...

It was sad that De La Hoya, did not have it in him to defend himself from more serious harm, including quitting "No Mas". He is proud, deservedly so.

It took the trainer, the corner man, the referee, and the ring doctor to put an end to the mauling. Oscar deserves some respect... a lot really, as he was still trying to salvage respectability, by fighting on a few rounds beyond logic, despite knowing deep down, it was a foolish thought to even consider.

I pay respect to the people who owned the foresight to stop the fight (the 4 mentioned above), while it was still relevant, in order to preserve De La Hoya. The future is where the relevance loom large, where the boxing world still stand to benefit from, an intact Oscar De La Hoya, in so many defferent ways, in so many different levels.

I believe the Muhammad Ali experience, is one lesson that is easily learned, and an influential giant for competency in situations such as those of December 6th, 2008.

Can anyone fathom the "auxilliaries" for the sport of boxing, have they had this same competence prior to the Muhammad Ali incident?

PlopEater never quits on his 'stool' he always eats every last bit :cool:

seem like and old fighter doesn't get ripped

but a young or prime fighter does

imo fighters train hard so why would they quit on thier teams and thierselves

i really dont see nothing wrong with it