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THERE WILL BE NO PAC VS HATTON.
Believe me JMM will beat hatton at 140. As much as I want to see pac ktfo hatton in wembley, I wouldn't mind seeing pac jmm 3 at 140! :D
SERIOUSLY THEY BETTER NOT PUT HATTON IN WITH JMM IF THEY WANT THAT FIGHT WITH PAC ;)
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Julius Rain
THERE WILL BE NO PAC VS HATTON.
Believe me JMM will beat hatton at 140. As much as I want to see pac ktfo hatton in wembley, I wouldn't mind seeing pac jmm 3 at 140! :D
SERIOUSLY THEY BETTER NOT PUT HATTON IN WITH JMM IF THEY WANT THAT FIGHT WITH PAC ;)
Im hoping he does JMM is possibly my favorite fighter at the moment, i think he should take this chance to fight Ricky Hatton now. Because Manny Pacquiao has stated he won't fight till June so its a great chance for JMM to get into the mix of big names, aslong as it's in Wembley because i wanted to see a big fight next year.
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Hatton-Pacquiao
Hatton-Marquez
would be amazing!!
JMM deserves a shot at ricky before manny if you ask me!!
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Julius Rain
THERE WILL BE NO PAC VS HATTON.
Believe me JMM will beat hatton at 140. As much as I want to see pac ktfo hatton in wembley, I wouldn't mind seeing pac jmm 3 at 140! :D
SERIOUSLY THEY BETTER NOT PUT HATTON IN WITH JMM IF THEY WANT THAT FIGHT WITH PAC ;)
Im hoping he does JMM is possibly my favorite fighter at the moment, i think he should take this chance to fight Ricky Hatton now. Because Manny Pacquiao has stated he won't fight till June so its a great chance for JMM to get into the mix of big names, aslong as it's in Wembley because i wanted to see a big fight next year.
Yea if pac doesn't fight til June that leaves JMM vs Hatton possible. I say winner gets Pac, I have a feeling floyd will stay retired. That leaves only JMM or Hatton for pac to improve his legacy. Yes pac has fought jmm twice already but both fights were too close and I think not having to drain themselves would have both pac and jmm in tip top condition.
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btw ice, even if jmm doesnt fight hatton. I think as long as jmm continues to win and look good, pac must fight him before they retire.
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ICB
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Julius Rain
THERE WILL BE NO PAC VS HATTON.
Believe me JMM will beat hatton at 140. As much as I want to see pac ktfo hatton in wembley, I wouldn't mind seeing pac jmm 3 at 140! :D
SERIOUSLY THEY BETTER NOT PUT HATTON IN WITH JMM IF THEY WANT THAT FIGHT WITH PAC ;)
Im hoping he does JMM is possibly my favorite fighter at the moment, i think he should take this chance to fight Ricky Hatton now. Because Manny Pacquiao has stated he won't fight till June so its a great chance for JMM to get into the mix of big names, aslong as it's in Wembley because i wanted to see a big fight next year.
Yea if pac doesn't fight til June that leaves JMM vs Hatton possible. I say winner gets Pac, I have a feeling floyd will stay retired. That leaves only JMM or Hatton for pac to improve his legacy. Yes pac has fought jmm twice already but both fights were too close and I think not having to drain themselves would have both pac and jmm in tip top condition.
pacs only 29
im guessing cotto, margarito, mosley are all possibilitys as well
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Im hoping he does JMM is possibly my favorite fighter at the moment, i think he should take this chance to fight Ricky Hatton now. Because Manny Pacquiao has stated he won't fight till June so its a great chance for JMM to get into the mix of big names, aslong as it's in Wembley because i wanted to see a big fight next year.
Yea if pac doesn't fight til June that leaves JMM vs Hatton possible. I say winner gets Pac, I have a feeling floyd will stay retired. That leaves only JMM or Hatton for pac to improve his legacy. Yes pac has fought jmm twice already but both fights were too close and I think not having to drain themselves would have both pac and jmm in tip top condition.
pacs only 29
im guessing cotto, margarito, mosley are all possibilitys as well
yea his only 29, the same many wars critics used as excuses for mab or eric doesn't appear to slow pacman down. we all know pac has been brawling since he was 15. He has about 50 fights already but continues to get better bigger faster and stronger. however asking him to take on the best at 147 may be asking too much. people said fighting mab,jmm,eric in 1 year was suicide, people said going up to 135 and 147 was suicide, maybe one more suicide act fighting the best at 147 will truly be suicide.I say beat hatton and jmm(more convincingly) and call it a career. Fighting the best at 147 as optimistic as i am about pacs abbility is really unneccesary. If it ever happens though ofcourse Im backing up pac with the same passion. ;D
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btw ice, even if jmm doesnt fight hatton. I think as long as jmm continues to win and look good, pac must fight him before they retire.
I just want my boy in the mix i think he deserves it. Its shame he isn't the name he should be, considering the two great fights he had against your boy. And the great fights against Joel Casamayor, MAB.
A 3rd fight needs to happen though for certain, theres still alot of unfinished business. And i think the smart choice would be to try and get a fight with Ricky Hatton now.
I think Ricky Hatton's style is made for JMM's counter punching style, then a 3rd fight between Manny Pacquiao vs JMM. Then the winner gets Floyd Mayweather imagine that.
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I would hope JMM get's the shot first also at Hatton.I think would be exciting but JMM in my belief would slice and dice Hatton then put him away.
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btw ice, even if jmm doesnt fight hatton. I think as long as jmm continues to win and look good, pac must fight him before they retire.
I just want my boy in the mix i think he deserves it. Its shame he isn't the name he should be, considering the two great fights he had against your boy. And the great fights against Joel Casamayor, MAB.
A 3rd fight needs to happen though for certain, theres still alot of unfinished business. And i think the smart choice would be to try and get a fight with Ricky Hatton now.
I think Ricky Hatton's style is made for JMM's counter punching style, then a 3rd fight between Manny Pacquiao vs JMM. Then the winner gets Floyd Mayweather imagine that.
you know with the great battle our boys had, i can not help but imagine jmm being able to do the same things pac can. I just hope jmm can handle the weight as well as pac can, that may be what seperate the two great legacy. I do think hattons style is made for jmm too, did you see how close juan was to knocking out hatton with just left hooks? As for floyd, his biggest win maybe hatton and oscar but pac is going to top those two after he knocks hatton out earlier then he did ;) btw ice the jmm k.o win over casamayor just shitted on floyds resume cause casa is one of the fighters floyd skipped. and the fighter who won twice over the third fighter that was good floyd defeated(chico).I think its pac and jmm destiny to expose how wack floyds resume is and i truly believe one will beat him if floyd ever do comes out of retirement.
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btw ice, even if jmm doesnt fight hatton. I think as long as jmm continues to win and look good, pac must fight him before they retire.
I just want my boy in the mix i think he deserves it. Its shame he isn't the name he should be, considering the two great fights he had against your boy. And the great fights against Joel Casamayor, MAB.
A 3rd fight needs to happen though for certain, theres still alot of unfinished business. And i think the smart choice would be to try and get a fight with Ricky Hatton now.
I think Ricky Hatton's style is made for JMM's counter punching style, then a 3rd fight between Manny Pacquiao vs JMM. Then the winner gets Floyd Mayweather imagine that.
you know with the great battle our boys had, i can not help but imagine jmm being able to do the same things pac can. I just hope jmm can handle the weight as well as pac can, that may be what seperate the two great legacy. I do think hattons style is made for jmm too, did you see how close juan was to knocking out hatton with just left hooks? As for floyd, his biggest win maybe hatton and oscar but pac is going to top those two after he knocks hatton out earlier then he did ;) btw ice the jmm k.o win over casamayor just shitted on floyds resume cause casa is one of the fighters floyd skipped. and the fighter who won twice over the third fighter that was good floyd defeated(chico).I think its pac and jmm destiny to expose how wack floyds resume is and i truly believe one will beat him if floyd ever do comes out of retirement.
I actually like JMM more than Floyd Mayweather, and your boy is going up and up in my estimation with his new skill sets. To be honest i've always liked Manny Pacquiao.
But i like him alot more now that he isn't one dimensional fighter. Its great to see him doing so many different things now. Counter punching/Using right hand/Turning his opponents/Feinting much better ETC.
Im just not sure which one would be the most effective against Floyd Mayweather. But even if Floyd Mayweather doesn't come out of retirement who cares ?
Theres so many fights for JMM and Manny Pacquiao out there that are mouth watering, we really don't need Floyd Mayweather. Although he would be a nice addition to some of these awesome match ups that are happening lately.
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Julius Rain
THERE WILL BE NO PAC VS HATTON.
Believe me JMM will beat hatton at 140. As much as I want to see pac ktfo hatton in wembley, I wouldn't mind seeing pac jmm 3 at 140! :D
SERIOUSLY THEY BETTER NOT PUT HATTON IN WITH JMM IF THEY WANT THAT FIGHT WITH PAC ;)
Im hoping he does JMM is possibly my favorite fighter at the moment, i think he should take this chance to fight Ricky Hatton now. Because Manny Pacquiao has stated he won't fight till June so its a great chance for JMM to get into the mix of big names, aslong as it's in Wembley because i wanted to see a big fight next year.
I believe this fight is for the taking for JMM. He could make some noise by publically stating he wants the fight with Hatton and add to his own legacy.
Manny and Marques was #2 vs #3 pound for pound when it happened. If they fought again, it would officially be #1 vs #2. Can't get any better than that. THEY WERE MADE FOR EACH OTHER!!
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I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
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GAME
I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
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GAME
I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
pac couldn't knock him out. if pac can't knock you out, Id say your chin is above decent.
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No way Hatton takes on JMM now before Pac
I would love to see it but for the reasons you have said this fight will not happen. Hatton is all about Risk vs Reward why would he throw away the biggest chance he could possibly have left
Hatton will not sell our Wembley with JMM because the casual fans who are the only ones who will fill Wembley will se this fight as a warm up for Pac
Hatton will sell no more tickets fighting JMM that he would fighting Paulie and the risk is huge JMM would be a very tough fight and in my opinion too much of a risk
A Pac fight is too big to risk with anyone
I would like to see JMM get in the mix but I cant see it happening
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Whether it's Pac or Marquez i doubt the fight will be at Wembley
No one, outside the hardcore, knows who Pac is in the UK let alone Marquez ;)
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I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
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No way Hatton takes on JMM now before Pac
I would love to see it but for the reasons you have said this fight will not happen. Hatton is all about Risk vs Reward why would he throw away the biggest chance he could possibly have left
Hatton will not sell our Wembley with JMM because the casual fans who are the only ones who will fill Wembley will se this fight as a warm up for Pac
Hatton will sell no more tickets fighting JMM that he would fighting Paulie and the risk is huge JMM would be a very tough fight and in my opinion too much of a risk
A Pac fight is too big to risk with anyone
I would like to see JMM get in the mix but I cant see it happening
That is a good point. I don't think anyone would want to risk a fight against Pacquiao. Firstly, you risk a payday, secondly, people want to fight the P4P best to enhance their careers. Especially if you would risk that opportunity by fighting Juan Manuel Marquez which is a big risk in itself.
If JMM states his case the right way anything can happen. Hatton is also one who fights for his fans and standing up to all comers would solidify his reputation. If Hatton does accept a JMM challenge before a potential showdown with Manny, he would get my utter most respect.
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I dont think Marquez has the chin to move up to beat Haton
He has lost to guys like Norwood and Chris John . Hattons only lost to the very best so I make him favourite
JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
The way I see it is Hatton stopped the powerful guy in Tszyu and stopped the speedster in Malignaggi . Whatever Marquez tries Hatton will beat him at . Marquez is no Mayweather . Infact I think a washed up Barrera beat him and he landed more shots .Ricky is too big .
I wouldnt be shocked if Marquez pulled it off cuz Hatton showed he may be over the hill vs Lazcano but seemed to get abit back in his last fight
Hatton by KO :cool:
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This fight is an interesting though. I really enjoyed seeing the Mayweather-trained Ricky. It's a more enjoyable style to watch, and he can use that style to beat the rest of the guys currently at 140. Against JMM, he would need to fight like he did against KT and have a ref who would allow him to do it. I don't really want to see Ricky in a dirt, mauling, grindout with JMM, and that's exactly what he would need to do to win. I actuallly think he could win the fight, but it would be ugly.
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does anyone think floyd sr slating nacho berstien like he has done regarding the DLH-Pac fight is either purposeful as there looking at a fight between Hatton and JMM or could at least be used in the build up and hype
a war of words between trainers can never hurt
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JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
The way I see it is Hatton stopped the powerful guy in Tszyu and stopped the speedster in Malignaggi . Whatever Marquez tries Hatton will beat him at . Marquez is no Mayweather . Infact I think a washed up Barrera beat him and he landed more shots .Ricky is too big .
I wouldnt be shocked if Marquez pulled it off cuz Hatton showed he may be over the hill vs Lazcano but seemed to get abit back in his last fight
Hatton by KO :cool:
Kostya Tszyu needs room to get his power shots off, because Ricky Hatton swarmed him. And gave him no room Kostya Tszyu couldn't get power into his shots. Just like what Vince Phillips done to Kostya Tszyu.
Lets remember Kostya Tszyu isn't a good inside fighter, and he doesn't move well at all. Again JMM is the total opposite he moves well he can fight on the inside.
And he wouldn't allow Ricky Hatton to get on the inside, as for your other comments in no way was MAB washed up. He was coming off one of his best performances against Rocky Juarez.
I do think MAB vs JMM was close but i think most of the rounds were easy to score, and i think JMM had an edge in most rounds and i believe he beat MAB by a few points.
Paul Malingaggi maybe quick but he has no power at all, so Ricky Hatton could just come in anyway he wanted. Walkthrough his shots and over power him.
And lets be honest here Paul Malignaggi basically stopped trying after the 1st round, he went into retreat clinching every 10 seconds.
JMM can hit which showed when he stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and he is a very dangerous counter puncher. And Ricky Hatton's brawling style is tailor made for JMM's counter shots.
Remember Floyd Mayweather countered Ricky Hatton all night long. And i would say JMM is for certain on par with Floyd Mayweather, regarding countering abilities.
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I agree with sonny, no way it happens, but like Ice I reckon JMM more than deserves ashot at the big time.
JMM did struggle with an older Barrera, and I think it;s his style more than anything that bugs pacman. Of course the same style may bug Hatton as well.
I'd have JMM favourite if it would miracilously come off, but there are many variables, especially the higher weight class. I wouldn't be at all surprised if JMM struggles with Ricky's strength.
As for Pac going after the welters, it ain't gonna happen, his punches would bounce off Marg. that in no way discredits Pac as he is way above his range at LWW and is a liviving legend. Avixtory over 140 Hatton would rate more than Drained Oscar in my eyes, plus set up the big one with Floyd (and if there's time a farwell fight with JMM however the other fights turn out).
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I love Marquez, great fighter, but I don't see him beating Hatton. I can't see him getting off effective shots if Hatton decides to smother him. I think hatton's defense is only going to improve, and he eats Marquez alive on the inside. At range I think its a close fight, I think their overall speed is pretty even, and Marquez has enough power to make Hatton respect him, if not stop Ricky, but I don't think he would get the chance, Hatton would take this fight in Manchester likely where the ref will let him swarm Marquez, and once against Marquez isn't the defensive fighter Mayweather is.
As for JMM-PBF and Pac-PBF, clearly Mayweather would have way more problems wtih Pacquiao. Marquez does well because he is quicker and more technically sound than opponents, but Mayweather is better in both categories. Mayweather would out jab him, out speed him, be too elusive for Marquez to hit. Guys like Marquez allow Mayweather to fight more like he used to at lower weights, and that means more punches, more fluidity, and that can't help Marquez who once again is far easier to hit.
Manny presents unique challenges, he has that speed, and he's southpaw. As for Manny against Margarito, I think its a lot closer than you guys give Manny credit for, I mean P. Williams punches bounced of Margarito, but footspeed like I've been saying will give Margarito nightmares, Manny can go 12 rounds like this. He trains to do it. If the much faster Oscar couldn't catch a whiff of Manny, then I am having a harder and harder time of seeing Tony being able to keep up with Manny.
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I love Marquez, great fighter, but I don't see him beating Hatton. I can't see him getting off effective shots if Hatton decides to smother him. I think hatton's defense is only going to improve, and he eats Marquez alive on the inside. At range I think its a close fight, I think their overall speed is pretty even, and Marquez has enough power to make Hatton respect him, if not stop Ricky, but I don't think he would get the chance, Hatton would take this fight in Manchester likely where the ref will let him swarm Marquez, and once against Marquez isn't the defensive fighter Mayweather is.
As for JMM-PBF and Pac-PBF, clearly Mayweather would have way more problems wtih Pacquiao. Marquez does well because he is quicker and more technically sound than opponents, but Mayweather is better in both categories. Mayweather would out jab him, out speed him, be too elusive for Marquez to hit. Guys like Marquez allow Mayweather to fight more like he used to at lower weights, and that means more punches, more fluidity, and that can't help Marquez who once again is far easier to hit.
Manny presents unique challenges, he has that speed, and he's southpaw. As for Manny against Margarito, I think its a lot closer than you guys give Manny credit for, I mean P. Williams punches bounced of Margarito, but footspeed like I've been saying will give Margarito nightmares, Manny can go 12 rounds like this. He trains to do it. If the much faster Oscar couldn't catch a whiff of Manny, then I am having a harder and harder time of seeing Tony being able to keep up with Manny.
i wouldnt say JMM was quicker than pac and he gave him as much as he could handle
Pacquiao to me holds the best chance of beating mayweather, look at the judah fight, first 4 or 5 rounds zab was giving mayweather fits with his style, the southpaw stance and his speed, but then he fell apart mentally as he often does
now it seems far fetched now but so did manny beating DLH could pac give floyd them exact same sort of problems for the entire fight not just the early rounds, i would say pac is on par with judah for speed at 147, he is arguebly more powerful, PBF is no doubt a great fighter but i feel pac has a shot
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If this doesn't draw Mayweather out of retirement, I'm not sure what will. I would be very happen to see a both JMM/Hatton fight and a Pac/Mayweather fight. If JMM and Pac win, it sets up the third fight. If Hatton wins, it only makes Pac/Hatton bigger. If Floyd wins, he can go back to retirement. I doubt he would both to rematch Hatton.
Pac/Mayweather definitely gets my vote for the fight I most want to see in 2009.
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I love Marquez, great fighter, but I don't see him beating Hatton. I can't see him getting off effective shots if Hatton decides to smother him. I think hatton's defense is only going to improve, and he eats Marquez alive on the inside. At range I think its a close fight, I think their overall speed is pretty even, and Marquez has enough power to make Hatton respect him, if not stop Ricky, but I don't think he would get the chance, Hatton would take this fight in Manchester likely where the ref will let him swarm Marquez, and once against Marquez isn't the defensive fighter Mayweather is.
As for JMM-PBF and Pac-PBF, clearly Mayweather would have way more problems wtih Pacquiao. Marquez does well because he is quicker and more technically sound than opponents, but Mayweather is better in both categories. Mayweather would out jab him, out speed him, be too elusive for Marquez to hit. Guys like Marquez allow Mayweather to fight more like he used to at lower weights, and that means more punches, more fluidity, and that can't help Marquez who once again is far easier to hit.
Manny presents unique challenges, he has that speed, and he's southpaw. As for Manny against Margarito, I think its a lot closer than you guys give Manny credit for, I mean P. Williams punches bounced of Margarito, but footspeed like I've been saying will give Margarito nightmares, Manny can go 12 rounds like this. He trains to do it. If the much faster Oscar couldn't catch a whiff of Manny, then I am having a harder and harder time of seeing Tony being able to keep up with Manny.
i wouldnt say JMM was quicker than pac and he gave him as much as he could handle
Pacquiao to me holds the best chance of beating mayweather, look at the judah fight, first 4 or 5 rounds zab was giving mayweather fits with his style, the southpaw stance and his speed, but then he fell apart mentally as he often does
now it seems far fetched now but so did manny beating DLH could pac give floyd them exact same sort of problems for the entire fight not just the early rounds, i would say pac is on par with judah for speed at 147, he is arguebly more powerful, PBF is no doubt a great fighter but i feel pac has a shot
It was JMM technical skills that allowed him to fight Pacquiao so closely, in that case it was his speed OR his technical skills, he had a big enough advantage in the second category that it made up for the lesser speed. Judah is a completely different type of fighter, and when he was coming forwad he wasn't landing on Mayweather. He was only able to hit Mayweather effectively when he was counter punching, and Mayweather was coming forward. Pacquiao is a good counter puncher, but if he tried to throw the left like he did against Oscar those punches aren't likely landing on mayweather if Floyd decides to fight defensively. Judah didn'tfall apart agianst Floyd, its just Mayweather adapted, he was only throwing his right hand in the early rounds, and after a few rounds he started throwing a left hook and other punches after that straight right. Oscar didn't have a right hand at all, Mayweather is the guy with the best right hand that Manny will have ever faced, I don't see him avoiding it, but it will still be a great matchup because of Manny's output.
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Re: If Jmm Gets Hatton First
this fight will more likely happen before Hatton vs pac because said he wasnt gonna fight til june or something like that.
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Is JMM get Hatton first he will KO him and go on to beat Pacman! WOOOOOOOO!:D
He will beat Hatton with his unmatched artform of a boxing style that he has.:)
Then go on to face Pacman.Hopefully!
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Is JMM get Hatton first he will KO him and go on to beat Pacman! WOOOOOOOO!:D
He will beat Hatton with his unmatched artform of a boxing style that he has.:)
Then go on to face Pacman.Hopefully!
Pacquiao vs Hatton is tentatively set for May 2 already.
We can all kiss Marquez vs Hatton goodbye for the meantime.
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IF PAC and JMM will win their respective next fights;
PAC beats Hatton and JMM beats Juan Diaz ...
Is it ripe for them to have a 3rd fight?
If the above scenario happens, I'm guessing PAC taking PBF next and JMM taking the winner of Campbell/Funeka fight...
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Marquez should not entertain fighting at 140,no way.I think chasing Hatton and or Pac is a network "superfight" other than what JMM is due and is best for him at natural range....division jumping running amok!
As well,damn shame Campbell is shut out of the big picture right now,deserves something for how that Guzman fiasco came off and its almost as if they are just waiting for him to go away?
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Is JMM get Hatton first he will KO him and go on to beat Pacman! WOOOOOOOO!:D
He will beat Hatton with his unmatched artform of a boxing style that he has.:)
Then go on to face Pacman.Hopefully!
Pacquiao vs Hatton is tentatively set for May 2 already.
We can all kiss Marquez vs Hatton goodbye for the meantime.
BOO!:p
But Hatton vs. Pacman is a good fight too...I juzz want to se Marquez back in the mix you know?
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Is JMM get Hatton first he will KO him and go on to beat Pacman! WOOOOOOOO!:D
He will beat Hatton with his unmatched artform of a boxing style that he has.:)
Then go on to face Pacman.Hopefully!
Pacquiao vs Hatton is tentatively set for May 2 already.
We can all kiss Marquez vs Hatton goodbye for the meantime.
BOO!:p
But Hatton vs. Pacman is a good fight too...I juzz want to se Marquez back in the mix you know?
Marquez is awesome but I honestly think his time with Pac is over. Pacquiao doesn't plan on going back down to 135 and is on to potential megafights with Hatton and Mayweather. The only way I see another Pacquiao vs Marquez matchup is if Pacquiao loses to Hatton.
I think Marquez should unify the lightweight division.
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Pacquiao vs Hatton is tentatively set for May 2 already.
We can all kiss Marquez vs Hatton goodbye for the meantime.
BOO!:p
But Hatton vs. Pacman is a good fight too...I juzz want to se Marquez back in the mix you know?
Marquez is awesome but I honestly think his time with Pac is over. Pacquiao doesn't plan on going back down to 135 and is on to potential megafights with Hatton and Mayweather. The only way I see another Pacquiao vs Marquez matchup is if Pacquiao loses to Hatton.
I think Marquez should unify the lightweight division.
Agreed.Unify the belts.That's all.Marquez easily gets hit and I doubt if he can take the punches of 140 pounders. Casamayor is old and has been at 135 his whole life. As you grow old your body has to compensate. I saw Casa hit JMM with clean counters and I felt if he only had the power he would have been KOed cold.We saw him bein dropped multiple times by Pacquiao and Barrera. I like JMM a lot..but IMO he should call 135 his home and stop following Pac. The guy is a freak physically. He should do great against a feather fisted Juan Diaz.
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BOO!:p
But Hatton vs. Pacman is a good fight too...I juzz want to se Marquez back in the mix you know?
Marquez is awesome but I honestly think his time with Pac is over. Pacquiao doesn't plan on going back down to 135 and is on to potential megafights with Hatton and Mayweather. The only way I see another Pacquiao vs Marquez matchup is if Pacquiao loses to Hatton.
I think Marquez should unify the lightweight division.
Agreed.Unify the belts.That's all.Marquez easily gets hit and I doubt if he can take the punches of 140 pounders.
Casamayor is old and has been at 135 his whole life. As you grow old your body has to compensate. I saw Casa hit JMM with clean counters and I felt if he only had the power he would have been KOed cold.We saw him bein dropped multiple times by Pacquiao and Barrera. I like JMM a lot..but IMO he should call 135 his home and stop following Pac. The guy is a freak physically. He should do great against a feather fisted Juan Diaz.
Not true. His amateur career was initially at Bantamweight & then Featherweight. He also fought at 130lbs up until his 2nd fight with Corrales in 2004, although correct me if I'm wrong
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JMM was young and inexperienced when he fought Freddie Norwood, and Freddie Norwood won by being dirty and rough. And JMM never lost to Chris John he beat him that was a BS decision.
But i don't see what these fights have anything to do with JMM's chin, and its not like Ricky Hatton is a big hitter. When is the last time Ricky Hatton had a KO against a good opponent ?
I'd question Ricky Hatton's chin more he was stopped by Floyd Mayweather, who isn't a big puncher at the heigher weightclasses. He was rocked by a natural Lightweight Juan Lazcano, JMM just recently stopped iron chinned Joel Casamayor, and JMM has never been stopped in his career i think he beats Ricky Hatton no problem.
I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
The way I see it is Hatton stopped the powerful guy in Tszyu and stopped the speedster in Malignaggi . Whatever Marquez tries Hatton will beat him at . Marquez is no Mayweather . Infact I think a washed up Barrera beat him and he landed more shots .Ricky is too big .
I wouldnt be shocked if Marquez pulled it off cuz Hatton showed he may be over the hill vs Lazcano but seemed to get abit back in his last fight
Hatton by KO :cool:
Everything considered Marquez-Mayweather
Hatton- Pac
Winner take winner
If I could choose.
At this weight I think MArquez looses ,PAc wins . MAyweather wins both.
PAc beats MArquez next time around too if it ever happens again.
MArquez HAtton interesting more even than the rest I think.
Skill could get a decision for Juan.
Catching Juan could take the wind out of his sails at this weight,good match in styles maybe so long as Hatton wouldnt fight like he did against Mayweather or he would be schooled again.
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I'm with ICE, Marquez wasn't the same fighter when he lost to Norwood and he DEF did not lose to John.
I think Hatton could hurt Marquez but he would have to hit Marquez first. I think Marquez controls Hatton from a distance the whole fight. Each time Hatton would lunge in Marquez greets him with straight rights like Mayweather did. If Hatton gets in close, Marquez could hit him with some combinations then get out of there or have Hatton back out as a result. As long as Marquez could fight at 140 and not look out of shape I'm all rooting and predicting for a Marquez points decision.
With that said, if Hatton worked on the inside, I don't know how Marquez would handle that but I would think Marquez would avoid it at all costs.
The way I see it is Hatton stopped the powerful guy in Tszyu and stopped the speedster in Malignaggi . Whatever Marquez tries Hatton will beat him at . Marquez is no Mayweather . Infact I think a washed up Barrera beat him and he landed more shots .Ricky is too big .
I wouldnt be shocked if Marquez pulled it off cuz Hatton showed he may be over the hill vs Lazcano but seemed to get abit back in his last fight
Hatton by KO :cool:
Everything considered
Marquez-Mayweather
Hatton- Pac
Winner take winner
If I could choose.
That would be a sweet idea! Unfortunately, I don't think Marquez has the mainstream appeal to make Mayweather come out of retirement. That fight won't generate the revenue needed to fulfill Floyd's need.
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THERE WILL BE NO PAC VS HATTON.
Believe me JMM will beat hatton at 140. As much as I want to see pac ktfo hatton in wembley, I wouldn't mind seeing pac jmm 3 at 140! :D
SERIOUSLY THEY BETTER NOT PUT HATTON IN WITH JMM IF THEY WANT THAT FIGHT WITH PAC ;)
It would be a good fight , personally i think Hatton would stop JMM , but it would be a nice blend of styles for the purist fan.;D