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Shane Mosley has said he will knockout Antonio Margarito in their upcoming January 24 fight in Los Angeles. Does he still have all the tools necessary to pull this off or will we see him taste the same fate that Oscar faced this past Saturday in being KOED by a younger, physically stronger fighter? These times are showing thats its a new horizon in boxing where the best of yesterday are being replaced by the new pugilists breeds of today, a new era in boxing.
Pacquiao wasn't stronger than OScar, he was just a lot faster. I don't see MArgarito winning the same fashion at all. He isnt' a good enough boxer, and is too easy to hit, but he could still win every round, but I don't see him stopping Mosley who has too good of a chin and body for that.
This has the potential to be a dangerous fight for Shane. No question Shane is the faster, more skilled fighter. But Tony will be on him from beginning to end. Shane will have to be in a slick, counter punching mode...instead of looking to go to war. The only reason i will not completely discount Shane's chances are because Tony is so easy to hit. So if Shane was to fight the perfect tactical fight...or somehow manage to land that incredible shot...anything is possible.
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Originally Posted by Chicali
That's not really true. It's been pretty mixed in those regards, eg: Hopkins, Vitali Klitschko.
I can actually see Mosley clipping Margarito early on,effecting him noticably but Tony has great endurance, only gets stronger and varied volume will grind on Shane.I do not see Mosley going out with a whimper,very proud,....I thing he actually is going to bomb in spots with Tony and it will catch up to him,have Mosley on his heels,literally and I think he gos out on his shield.....or reeling and winging at the end of 12.Warming to this fight even more as it nears :fight:
I am a Mosley fan, but Margarito is not Mayorga and Mosley struggled to get rid of him with seconds to spare in the 12th.
Margarito is not as skilled as Mosley but he has an iron jaw and will wear the sugerman down i fear. I hope if things get really tough and they will, Mosley does the right thing and doesn't stick around for to much punishment.
I think Margarito stops Shane late after some rocky moments early on. Margarito TKO11. Neither has a great defense but I Shane looked old against Mayorga. His legs just dont look fresh and I think Tony wears him down and stops him on his feet.
If Mosley tries to fight Margarito how he fought Mayorga, flat-footed and throwing bombs, IMO he might get stopped this late in his career.
Mosley has a great chin but so as Marg. The thing is Mosley has the speed but Marg has power. It's gonna comedown to who's gonna impose his will throughout the fight and I think Margarito has the edge in this one. He knows hes gonna get hit a lot just like against Cotto but I'll bet he will keep coming just to hurt his opponent until the final bell.
I really doubt it... This will probably be a much more competitive fight with Mosley landing a lot. I feel Mosley should win the early rounds , and it will be interesting to see how well he can hold up down the stretch. If Shane can box a little bit early and bank a few rounds, save his energy and stand toe to toe with Marg in the later rounds he could easily win this fight. Mosley has never had a problem trading inside, Margo hasn't really got the style to keep him at bay it's just a question of whether Shane can hold up 12 rounds. I have little doubt Mosley will get the better of the exchanges as long as he isn't gassed.
It wouldn't surprise me if he did.
His last performance against Mayorga was awful besides the KO. I actually had Mayorga ahead before the stoppage. Mosley was very inactive and allowed Mayorga to control the tempo, Mosley was lucky that Mayorga's chin isn't that good anymore.
When you add the fact that Margarito has a chin of granite and throws alot i mean alot of punches i think things are going to end bad for Mosley.
Mosley is tough but i think he might get stopped.
Margarito by clear decision or late stoppage.
Marg inside Nine rounds, Mosley to shop worn now, I expect Shane to fight well the 1st few rounds then Marg to come on stronger and stronger ala the cotto fight but with Shane being that bit older and not as hungry he wont last as long as Cotto did. Uncle Bob will be a happy man again.
I have only seen Shane really hurt in one fight and Margrito does not have the tools that the guy that put the hurting on Shane did. People put alot on Margrito because of the stopage of Cotto and Cintron but Shane is not as weak when it comes to taking a punch and i really dont think Margrito is the biggest power punching guy there is really i think if Shane goes the 12 rounds he can outpoint Margrito he is there to out point and open to be hit so i dont think it is that far off so say Shane can win the fight. But that being said Shane 37 now and you never know how he while show up just look at Oscar and looked his age and he is even younger.
I think Shane Mosley gets quite a pasting here, against a very limited Ricardo Mayorga. He allowed him to land punches on him a bit too easily IMO, and to outwork him badly in some rounds.
I had Shane Mosley winning going into the 12th round, but Shane Mosley just hasn't got the workrate anymore. He was hardly throwing any punches in the Ricardo Mayorga fight at times, and he seemed to be almost sleep walking in some rounds, just looking at Ricardo Mayorga, instead of throwing punches.
And i only see flashes of the old Shane Mosley in 2 and half rounds against Ricardo Mayorga. He will need a whole lot more than that, and i mean alot against Antonio Margarito. Say what you want about Antonio Margarito's boxing skills. But he has a nice variety of punches.
He never stops coming and he seems to have a Marvin Hagler like chin, and he won't allow Shane Mosley to pick his shots. And throw 40 punches a round like Ricardo Mayorga did.
And to be honest i know i have said this before, but i have never considered Shane Mosley a pure boxer. He was always more of a Boxer/Puncher and IMO more of a warrior than a boxer. He's like the modern day version of Meldrick Taylor IMO.
Even in Shane Mosley's prime he used to overwhelm his opponents with speed and power. Not with pure boxing skills like Pernell Whitaker/Floyd Mayweather could do easily.
I always thought Shane Mosley was overrated as a boxer, i think because he was so fast people automatically thought that but he actually isn't IMO.
But anyway back on topic just a few more comments, i think Shane Mosley will win some rounds using his speed. And accurate punching, but overall i can't see any different result than Antonio Margarito by UD or late TKO.
Shane Mosley doesn't move around the ring well enough, he doesn't have the power he used to have at Lightweight. And he doesn't have the workrate anymore to be beat Antonio Margarito.
It's hard for me to every pick against Shane Mosley. If Margarito wins, he will be the first man to beat Shane who doesn't have an exceptional jab. Forrest, Winky, and Cotto all beat Shane by controlling him with a jab.
Some people think he didn't look good against Mayorga, but I thought he fought well. He had a strategy, he used it, and it paid off. I also thought Mayorga fought a very good fight and that's why he was able to make it competitive. It wasn't because Shane didn't perform well.
You never know. At 37 a fighter can get old instantly, and you never know when that is until the bell rings.
I have Margarito as a solid favorite in this fight.
However, instead of just wondering about what version of Mosley will show up... how about Margarito?
I'm very interested to see how he has dealt with success. He spent his whole career as the hungry overlooked guy who had something to prove. Now he's coming off the biggest win of his career (in a brutal, draining fight), and he's spent the last 6 months listening to everyone saying how great he is. Maybe he'll show up better and more confident than ever, or maybe he'll be like Vernon Forrest vs. Mayorga and show up unfocused or distracted. We don't know for sure.
Really doubt either of these guys will take any shortcuts in training.. It could be interesting to see if Margarito took enough damage in the Cotto fight to make him less durable perhaps, I think Mosley hits a bit harder still and may gain more respect, but it certainly shouldn't come down to a lack of preperation on either side. Mosley has always been a gym rat and knows this is a massive legacy fight for him, no question he will be up for it. Margarito as well is an extremely hard worker, he needs to be. He just doesn't have the ability to be able to come in anything but peak condition, it's what he relies on to win. Plus he's got the Cotto rematch lined up, he couldn't possibly think he'd get away with fighting Mosley in less than top shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I like both these fighters Mosely could win though if he boxes him Cotto did well in first 5 or 6 rounds boxing Tony is coming off a career best win vs Cotto but hey he ain't unbeatable is he.;)
If the Oscar v Pac fight taught us all anything is that you cannot take these fights as given. Moseley could easily win this fight and it will not be more of a surprise than Pac beating Oscar.
If Shane backs up. He loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
Well i think it comes down to it if Margrito can hurt Mosley i dont see the chance of Margrito winning the fight because he needs to break down the fighter he is facing it is part of his whole deal to break the fighter down if he can not do that then i think he loses by a ud in a close fight.
Well I figured Cotto would KO Mosley but Miguel took breaks.....Margarito doesn't break no matter what is coming back at him.
Antonio Margarito has the body type to beat Shane Mosley (tall and lanky), he doesn't have the style (Forrest and Wright) but he has enough output to really endanger Shane.....Oscar is going to thank his lucky stars he took the Pacquiao fight instead of the fight with Margarito!
I had Mayorga winning against Mosley, granted it was at 154.
But his output has horrible and it seemed he was only looking for a KO, which he was.
If Margarito's punch output is the same as it has, IMO they will be too much for Mosley.
I'm going to watch the Mayorga fight again.
this imo is a hard fight to pick. i certainly wouldn't make a prediction base on the mayorga fight coz i think shane underestimated him and didn't train as well as he should have. tony will get hit a lot in the early goings but will keep on coming. if shane puts enough damage to him he might be able to slow him down going down the stretch. i almost certain margarito will be the stronger guy at the end but mosley will have enough stamina to finish the fight for a close decision which could go either way.
i think margarito might have beat up oscar and knocked him out but he wouldn't look as terrible as he did against the pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
By the way, Shane HAS the style to beat Margarito. Margarito could beat Floyd too, but Shane has THE style.
Only thing is, Shane is fighting little bit of that father time, while he fights Tony.
But people forget, Shane has pop and power, especially his underated body punches.
I think Mosley will get battered to be quite honest with you. I hate to say this because he is one of my favourite fighters who I have grown up admiring, but over the last few years I've seen all my favourites fade and take a beating (Tszyu, RJJ, ODLH and Evander just to name a few) but I honestly think that he would have taught Margarito a lesson in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicali
Was gonna post something along the same lines. Cotto could have stopped Shane if he kept the pace up, something Marg WILL do..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
BIS Shane fan, but this version simply doesn't have the engine to survive.
I saw it the other way around. Shane could have stopped Cotto.Quote:
Originally Posted by BompWas gonna post something along the same lines. Cotto could have stopped Shane if he kept the pace up, something Marg WILL do..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
BIS Shane fan, but this version simply doesn't have the engine to survive.
People always underestimate Shane, that's why he always manages to stay around and continue to fight in marquee matchups.
I hope not. I'm a big Mosley fan, and have always had the utmost admiration for him. I'll be cheering for him against Margarito, although I like Margarito also.
I can't help thinking how here's Mosley, willing to face the big, bad Margarito... recognized as a dangerous fighter for any welterweight, while frigging Golden Boy over there decided to face the much smaller Pacquiao and got his face rearranged.
Makes me respect Mosley even more.
Well I dont know Cuz, Pavlik got soundly beat by Father Time himself and then Oscar got the fishnets beat out of him by the smaller man that moved up from 106. So anything is possible. I hope Margarito stops him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth