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I've seen worse robberies, but Toney definately got a gift decision. Light's Out is one of my favorites, but it's time for the fat man to hang em up and concentrated on eating full time.
I feel bad for Fres. He deserved a break for putting in a good performance such short notice.
If you have to squeek out a gift decision(even the mainstream press are calling it that) against a Fres Oquendo who only got the fight on a weeks notice,its over. Pack it in.
Well thats the third career in a week that became no longer commercially viable
i like james toney too, but its time for him to call it a career
Yeah that was def a gift decision. I also hated that Toney Basically turns his head won when Fres was punching and baited Fres into hitting him in the back of the head thus costing him a point and a draw.
Fres Oquendo has now been on the end of two bad decisions, against the old legends Toney, Holyfield.
Yep, agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
The thing is... since Toney did technically "win", we both know that he will fight again.
Well the bad thing is that Quendo got screwed, The good thing is that now we will probably get to see James Toney get crushed by one of the Klistchkos.
I didn't think it was a horrible robbery, could have gone either way IMO. Toney looks done though, his output is ass. As long as we have these legacy fighters at HW, the new guys are going to be left by the wayside.
Holyfield, Toney, Maskaev, Skelton, Ruiz and Austin should all step out of the way to let some new talent emerge. Time to retire kids.
I agree with everyone Toney should definitely hang em up. He's one of my all time favorite fighters and I just don't want him to see him get brutally knocked out.
WHAT!?!? Fres stunk up the joint, he put Ruiz to shame with that hit and hold shit. I was watching on TV and thought the commentators were way off on their giving Fres the early rounds. His shots weren't landing. It was close but no way a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
But yes, if toney is going to put in those half assed performances, he should def hang em up. He could have be more active for sure. Either Klitschko would probably stop him, he couldn't deal with Fres' jab so I don't think he can avoid Klitschkos.
I'm not sure I remember Toney landing a single meaningful punch. At least Fres was landing jabs and a few right hands. Considering the short notice, I think Fres did OK. I'm not sure how Toney gets any of that last three or four rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestWHAT!?!? Fres stunk up the joint, he put Ruiz to shame with that hit and hold shit. I was watching on TV and thought the commentators were way off on their giving Fres the early rounds. His shots weren't landing. It was close but no way a robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Have yet to watch the entire fight with Toney,I must be one of the few that thinks Holyfield beat him close but square :-X.Now his loss To Chris Byrd was foul I thought.Had Chris all confused in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
I saw it on a choppy stream but he looks finished. I think if he's as bad next time out he'll retire. Toney is a great fighter who shouldn't be fighting anymore. I hope he doesn't need the money. What's his situation outside the ring? Has he got 15 kids or something?
Yeah, it makes for one bore fest after another. Especially with the likes of Holyfield and Toney; who are skillful and experienced enough to get the fight fought on their snail pace terms, and drag the fights out to their tedious full length.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I say 3. I had him beating Chris ByrdQuote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I think Toney might turn it around after this bad performance. He was whooping Rahman's a$$ in their last fight before Rahman quit, b/c of the cut that was "blinding" him. He couldn't handle Toney at all that night.
I was really dissappointed how Toney was handling the fight in the Champ rounds, but I can't say taht Fres landed a meaningful shot before that. In fact I'd say that Toney had landed some telling blows through the fight, but he didn't follow that filler instinct.
So Sad. I wanna see Toney fight again, but I really don't at the same time... Lose some weight fat ass!
Oquendo did get screwed once again. I say now it was Chris Byrd,Holyfield could have gone either way,Ruiz the fight to me was stopped ridiculously quick and now James Toney. It seems that everytime this man has stepped up he has done well but get's screwed. I drank quite a bit that night but I had the fight something like 9 to 3 for Fres. Even when the commentater's were saying Fres lost the early rounds I was saying "what F**king are you people watching !!!". Anyway I think the punchstats were somewhat accurate and that was my point of arguement.
Yeah well so much for Toney and his teams claims of him training seriously:-\...
I thought he might join the year of legends making one last good fight but should have known better
Anyone close to Toney who tries to tell him he is done will prob get KO'd at the family BBQ. That's the impression I get of the man.
And I were Oquendo I would have been hauled off to jail after they read the scorecards. :furiouschairbt2::shotgun5lu8::foruml10gc5:
I still havent seen this Toney fight yet, but it will be my evening viewing. He might be done, but I think he deserves a final chance to either put up once and for all if a fight with Thompson does go through in February.
If Toney has anything left then he can be competitive with Thompson. If not Thompson wins a wide decision and Toney is done. I want to see one more showing, Toney can get in better shape than I hear he was in against Oquendo.
I will watch it and post what I think later.
I also thought that Holyfield beat Oquendo, that was basically my whole reasoning for giving Holyfield a slight, and by slight i mean veeeeeery small chance, but a chance anyways in beating Imbrogimov, and I also felt that Oquendo beat Byrd, so did Golota, and McCline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHave yet to watch the entire fight with Toney,I must be one of the few that thinks Holyfield beat him close but square :-X.Now his loss To Chris Byrd was foul I thought.Had Chris all confused in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
First off, it was an awful fight to watch.
Toney definitely started the stronger but Oquendo undoubtedly "came on" down the stretch. I say came on like that because it was more a case of Toney doing nothing meaningful. It was a close fight, and Oquendo probably deserved the nod.
Toney had no output. Combinations were not there. His countering was ineffective. He would do too little for too long in the later rounds.
Toney usually gets stronger as the fight goes on. Here he had little left beyond the 9th. It was surprising and dissapointing to see. Maybe not so surprising considering the 2nd Peter fight, the supposedly lacklustre Toney of the Batchelder fight and after all the Rahman fight showed us only a couple of rounds. But it was disheartening to see as a Toney fan.
I dont think anybody is going to stop Toney, it could happen against the Klitschkos. But who knows. Anyway I have no desire to see a sloppy and out of condition James Toney continue to eke out pointless decisions against people who are not fit to even tie his laces.
Get the Thompson fight signed quickly. If James can actually shed 10 pounds and do some serious roadwork maybe he can surprise us again. But there have been too many false promises for too long, and its tiring. A focussed and ready Toney can beat Thompson. A lazy Toney loses a wide UD and his world stage is pretty much gone for good.
Toney messed up again here though, and I hope he knows it. I say give him a final shot against a top 10 contender and let him either put up or shut up for good.
That fight on rewatch was an even more s!!!!ty decision by three blind judges :wisesmilie:.I gave Byrd 4 rounds tops,very early & 2 rounds late but in between Oquendo had that odd Crisp jab,Fall forward then throw a hard one-two combo,It worked.... that was a robbery.Byrd has ecscaped a few.Toney should retire or change his name to Fred Sanford :fight:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI also thought that Holyfield beat Oquendo, that was basically my whole reasoning for giving Holyfield a slight, and by slight i mean veeeeeery small chance, but a chance anyways in beating Imbrogimov, and I also felt that Oquendo beat Byrd, so did Golota, and McCline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'NawlinsHave yet to watch the entire fight with Toney,I must be one of the few that thinks Holyfield beat him close but square :-X.Now his loss To Chris Byrd was foul I thought.Had Chris all confused in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nonito Donaire
It would really depress me if Toney kept fighting on and eventually got stopped. Nobody's unknockoutable (new word ;D) especially if you're shot.
Some of the shots he gets hit with now, he just didn't before, its clear as day.
I would love to see someone knock that piece of lard out. I hate Tony, he is thinks he is the best and can't back it up.
Keep in mind im a Hamed, Mayweather, Whitaker, Hopkins fan. Flamboyant, cockyness is cool, but their is just something I don't like about this guy....
It's a shame a fighter like Fres couldn't get a break...this would have been a huge win for him but they gave it to Toney who IMO looks worse than Tyson did when he fought Williams and McBride.
At least Tyson managed to land meaningful blows in those fights. Toney struggled to impose anything upon Oquendo. Yep, the Toney rollercoaster may almost be up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Like I say, I want to see him have a fight with Thompson just to confirm whether or not its over.
I cannot bring myself to sit through the Oquendo fight again. Just horrible to watch.
Tony Thompson would have schooled James Toney....Thompson is a difficult win for ANYONE in the division. He has a good defense, he has a good workrate, and he has a good jab, he has a good chin, he just doesn't have much power.
I wonder where Thompson goes from here...he's not going to get many great shots as he's a difficult fighter to beat. I would like to see him fight McCline.
I agree with that. Toney was in no way ready for a fight with Thompson, makes me wonder what goes through Toney's head sometimes. He's obviously not wisened up from the lessons of Rahman 1 and Peter 2. And to think he's going to keep getting away with it in his 40's is absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
If rumours of Toney: Thompson actually going ahead early next year are true then I want it to happen. That will convincingly answer all the questions about Toney for me.
Thompson is good, definitely a tough fight for anyone.