Cotto may never be the same

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him, I guess im looking to hear your thoughts on Cotto's mental state, was he beaten to the point of being a lesser fighter because of that loss?

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him?

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him?

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yeah, we've heard it all.. but you basically have the answer in your post.. if he fought margarito again, he'd have to change his style or approach to it.. he has realized that he can't bang with him, and he'd need to be more elusive, try to get in and out and be effective.. he'd have to use his strengths more to his advantage.. being speed and defense..

with that said, i still don't think he'd beat him, but that doesn't mean that Cotto is not still going to be a huge name in the 147 division by any means..

I think there is a question mark beside Cotto's ability (willingness?) to take punishment. It may well be a weakness in an otherwise powerful arsenal. We shall see.

I guess im looking to hear your thoughts on Cotto's mental state, was he beaten to the point of being a lesser fighter because of that loss?

I think he boxed very well but he didnt anticipate Magarito keeping up the pressure the whole fight, and also he didnt think he would be unable to back him up. As he started to tire he went to the ropes more. Cotto isnt use to being in trouble, thus not used to tying up. Hes never had to survive before because hes always been the stronger guy this late in a fight. If it wasnt for the Torres fight Margarito would have probably stopped him sooner. I think he learned some lessons and will come back strong. Now we get to see what he is really made of.

Cotto didnt take a Jeff Lacy style beating in that fight...He won some rounds but chose the wrong strategy and in the end couldnt find an answer. Yeah he took alot of punishment and we will see how he rebounds but I think he will be fine...he was one fighter than needed to take a long break and re group...Margs is kind of a beast in that he can take tremendous shots and keep coming BUT you cant keep taking that kind of punishment without some ill effects...Margs was probably a bit woozy the next day after that fight as well....

Alot of fighters take terrible beatings in fights and come back and fight well, Gatti, Izzy, Marquez, Corrales, to name a few....but it will shorten your career..

I think he has the skills to beat Margs just need to come up with a new strategy and improve cardio.

Cotto needs redemption big time. He needs to KO back Margo to fulfil it.

I think Cotto got tired, the writing was on the wall really, Margarito's gameplan was perfect, a prime Shane Mosley may have gotten to him too if he had the stamina he used too, in retrospect the loss to Margarito was academic, Cotto never has been known for his stamina, he's faught guys that tired late in his 12 rounders, I think thats a flaw that would be exposed again if he faught Margarito again, maybe Hatton too.

IMO i think that we have to give him the opportunity to start his return after the lose with Margo and then we can determine his performance of if he could be the same or not ...................

Although is true that the kind of lose that Cotto got most of boxers had never be the same , but we have to see first how he comes mentally and physically before making speculation...................

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him, I guess im looking to hear your thoughts on Cotto's mental state, was he beaten to the point of being a lesser fighter because of that loss?

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I know you're a Margo fan, and I commend you for your well put together post. Thanks for recognizing just how well Cotto fought, although in a losing effort. Most boxing fans tend to dismiss a fighter's efforts once he loses, but I agree with you that Cotto was putting on a boxing clinic, AND hitting Margo with some bombs that would've dropped lesser fighters.

Regarding Cotto's mental state, I feel Cotto is an EXTREMELY strong fighter mentally. But to automatically assume that there will be NO effects from his devastating loss to Margarito when they meet again... is to not recognize the realities of boxing. That Cotto has the tools to be an elite champion at 147, I don't think anyone disputes that. And I think he's got the mental makeup to come back. But a rematch with Margarito would be very dangerous indeed. Although knowing Cotto, he'll probably jump at the opportunity.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Cotto needs redemption big time. He needs to KO back Margo to fulfil it.

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With a loss that ends up THAT bad, the guy that is asking for the rematch has to come back and knock out the other guy cold or win in a convincing fashion.

He should be fine. The loss can only make him stronger, for it gives him experience and reason to step it up more. Without the loss, he will still have it in him, that weak, sense of false superiority. It gives him a much proper perspective and respect to the opposition, with regard to preparation.

I saw an interview where Freddie Roach indicated that, had Cotto included a body attack in his fight plan against Margarito and not relied purely on headhunting, he would have been successful.

Now, if Miguel's will broke in the Tony fight... then that is another story. It will be harder to recover from that. Whatever it is that did not break you can only make you stronger!

You never can tell until they get back in the ring, and only the fighters themselves have any real inkling of what it took out of them.

Cotto just got stopped but fighters have come back from being stopped before. Some fighters respond differently than others. I like to think he can bounce back, but you never know until they jump through those ropes.

im not so sure how Cotto will be either. i just rewatched the margarito fight but instead of watching Cotto i watched tony. i watched every punch Tony threw body shots head shots, and there was a right hand that hit Cotto so hard that Cottos blood got on the camera :o. he took major punishment from Margs im not sure if Cotto can win the rematch but im hoping he does since hes still one of my favorite fighters currently. we will find out in the rematch with Margarito im sure he will get through Jennings.

All great replies to my original post and question. I know being a fan of a specific boxer than seeing him lose is hard to swallow and we all want to believe he can make it back.

I see this fight to be a throwback to the Chavez/Taylor fight literally the same thing was happening, Taylor putting on the clinic and Chavez kept on driving forward till he caught his man and although Chavez got a gift after that fight Taylor was never the same, both in the ring and outside. He took too much punishment and now has speech problems and speaks alot slower.

I am not saying that Margo put on that kind of punishment, but It didnt look like Chavez did either at the time. Time will tell.

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although Chavez got a gift after that fight Taylor

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Not sure if you can call a fight a gift if the referee asks the fighter "Are you ok?" only to have him blank stare at the referee with a disfigured face and no answer. The rules of boxing are clear in that situation.
Will Cotto be the same? Not sure about that if he ends up getting another beating at the rematch or even if he gets rocked, bloody face / cuts, etc. Against Jennings just like Cotto has already when facing past journeymen.
He has to tottaly knock out Jennings to look like he's back in track. I wouldn't get all excited for this fight as much as I didn't when he faced Gomez though.

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although Chavez got a gift after that fight Taylor

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Not sure if you can call a fight a gift if the referee asks the fighter "Are you ok?" only to have him blank stare at the referee with a disfigured face and no answer. The rules of boxing are clear in that situation.
Will Cotto be the same? Not sure about that if he ends up getting another beating at the rematch or even if he gets rocked, bloody face / cuts, etc. Against Jennings just like Cotto has already when facing past journeymen.
He has to tottaly knock out Jennings to look like he's back in track. I wouldn't get all excited for this fight as much as I didn't when he faced Gomez though.

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there was like 2 seconds left when the fight was stopped. Its pretty hard not to to say it was a gift, and for the most part taylor was responsive to steele's instructions.

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although Chavez got a gift after that fight Taylor

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Not sure if you can call a fight a gift if the referee asks the fighter "Are you ok?" only to have him blank stare at the referee with a disfigured face and no answer. The rules of boxing are clear in that situation.
Will Cotto be the same? Not sure about that if he ends up getting another beating at the rematch or even if he gets rocked, bloody face / cuts, etc. Against Jennings just like Cotto has already when facing past journeymen.
He has to tottaly knock out Jennings to look like he's back in track. I wouldn't get all excited for this fight as much as I didn't when he faced Gomez though.

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there was like 2 seconds left when the fight was stopped. Its pretty hard not to to say it was a gift, and for the most part taylor was responsive to steele's instructions.

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If the rules say that if there are a few seconds left in the last round then he can continue even if his face is disfigured and he doesn't answer to the referee then I would also agree that the stopage was wrong. But no, rules state that if the boxer can't answer and doesn't seem like he can continue then the fight is stopped REGARDLESS of time. A fighter that can continue after a knock down normally gets up and walks to the referee with firm steps and boxing stance showing he can continue and even answer VOCALLY "Yes, I am fine" or whatever. Taylor did NONE of those.

Cliché but time will tell.Imo,the damage sustained mentally will out weigh the physical damage in his case.I think Cotto can regroup and find his footing as a champion again.The man was improving in his ability all the way up until his brutal confrontation with Tony and he is still fit and fluid.But,none of that is viable if he does not believe it where it counts.In his chest and in his head.I still believe he needs to approach his return the right/smart way and imo....a rematch with Margarito one fight removed is not it.All in all,I do not think he can beat Tony.There are also differences in Chavez/Taylor and Tony/Cotto.Talk about a mentally crushing defeat....Taylors might appear much more damaging,with the ending and huge all time shadow that one produced.Taylor could and did stand with Chavez in spots,He moved Chavez and fought JCC's fight when touched and battled back with effect,Chavez respected his pop.In that regard,I do not believe Cotto is like Taylor.I think he rebounds stronger than Taylor in respected careers but we will see.

I beleive when the rematch occurs between cotto and margarito, cotto will win by UD. I've never seen a chin like Margarito's, cotto was landing shots that would have knocked out some middle weights. As strong as Cotto is he never shook Margarito up one time. The reason I believe he wins in the rematch is because in the next fight he learns from his mistake and goes back to his body attack. If there was one flaw of Cotto's that night it was that he didnt go to the body enough. I think that body attack will slow margarito down enough to where cotto can slip in and out without getting caught on the ropes. Cotto has that killer spirit about him that wants to knock you out and thats what makes him so entertaining, but sometimes you just have to to what it takes to win. Welterweight is without a doubt the toughest division but I believe Cotto will be champion of it in the future!

Something has to change for sure,the body work is a good way to implement a different fight in sections but like everything it wont work 100% of the time, nothing does.

I think he also needs the right tenacious kind of sparring partner (one he cant hurt that will just hunt him down maybe a heavier guy) to help him stay cool under close pressure.

Id also like to see him work on getting out to MArgos side flanks during the closer combat flurries but remaining in so close so he can catch him turning back into him with more power and maybe even a couple of unseen temple shots from right there.

You wont stop Antonio from straight out in front on a shot that he sees comming at him so to fight from the outside with power wont win it.

IF you are going to slow him up he needs to be clocked a number of times from an unseen angle and the temple from the side would be my top target, body too, right before or right afterwards, on the reaction.

And Margo wont back off he will just turn in to you and continue to hunt you down, without regard to himself at some stages.

All that and extra lasting power trained for and tied into tight footwork so Cotto never gets caught cold in a corner without the legs to move out or under and out on greater angles or spin and stick.

He will be back and back stronger I think. Better stamina would make him a much better fighter.

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He will be back and back stronger I think. Better stamina would make him a much better fighter.

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They used the he was down at 140 stamina excuse for 5 fights or so. What are they going to do at 147?? If he didn't know he had to have good stamina with Tony, he is a moron. I just don't think he ever will have good stamina (or at least AM stamina [which few have]).

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Not sure if you can call a fight a gift if the referee asks the fighter "Are you ok?" only to have him blank stare at the referee with a disfigured face and no answer. The rules of boxing are clear in that situation.
Will Cotto be the same? Not sure about that if he ends up getting another beating at the rematch or even if he gets rocked, bloody face / cuts, etc. Against Jennings just like Cotto has already when facing past journeymen.
He has to tottaly knock out Jennings to look like he's back in track. I wouldn't get all excited for this fight as much as I didn't when he faced Gomez though.

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there was like 2 seconds left when the fight was stopped. Its pretty hard not to to say it was a gift, and for the most part taylor was responsive to steele's instructions.

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If the rules say that if there are a few seconds left in the last round then he can continue even if his face is disfigured and he doesn't answer to the referee then I would also agree that the stopage was wrong. But no, rules state that if the boxer can't answer and doesn't seem like he can continue then the fight is stopped REGARDLESS of time. A fighter that can continue after a knock down normally gets up and walks to the referee with firm steps and boxing stance showing he can continue and even answer VOCALLY "Yes, I am fine" or whatever. Taylor did NONE of those.

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Taylor didn't want to continue.

To me it is obvious the ref made a very quick decision in Taylor Chavez, without due consideration. It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK? Don't forget this is Richard Steele, who has a rep for premature stoppages.

Steele knows how much time is left, you can be sure of that. Now I ain't gonna say that Steele is in someone's pocket, but you can be sure that the powers that be want the big unbeaten streak to continue, and are happy with the decision.

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Originally Posted by OnixAA

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him, I guess im looking to hear your thoughts on Cotto's mental state, was he beaten to the point of being a lesser fighter because of that loss?

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I know you're a Margo fan, and I commend you for your well put together post. Thanks for recognizing just how well Cotto fought, although in a losing effort. Most boxing fans tend to dismiss a fighter's efforts once he loses, but I agree with you that Cotto was putting on a boxing clinic, AND hitting Margo with some bombs that would've dropped lesser fighters.

Regarding Cotto's mental state, I feel Cotto is an EXTREMELY strong fighter mentally. But to automatically assume that there will be NO effects from his devastating loss to Margarito when they meet again... is to not recognize the realities of boxing. That Cotto has the tools to be an elite champion at 147, I don't think anyone disputes that. And I think he's got the mental makeup to come back. But a rematch with Margarito would be very dangerous indeed. Although knowing Cotto, he'll probably jump at the opportunity.

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Cotto wasn't putting on a boxing clinic; he was winning, but it wasn't a clinic. Clinic is mastery over your opponent. All three ringside judges scored round 2 for Margarito; in round 3, although Margarito lost the round, he bloodied Cotto's nose. Rounds 4 and 5 were for Cotto. The momentum of the fight, however, surely had changed by around round 6. Midway through round 7, Margarito actually hurt Cotto with a barrage of punches. The rest is history.

For an example of a boxer who put on a boxing clinic, but then was beat, see the Bute v. Andrade fight - Bute probably won 10 or 11 rounds before succumbing to Andrade in the twelth. Cotto won 4 of the first 6. By round seven, the fight was becoming close. By round 10, Cotto was withering and most judges had the fight for Margarito or a draw. Round 11 saw Cotto give up. If the fight was a ten round fight, the scores would have been close, probably with Cotto winning, but again that isn't a clinic. Cotto deserves praise for his guts and lasting as long as he did in that fight.

Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same. After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters - Clottey, Williams, or Cintron?

I would like to see Cotto in with Clottey or Cintron.I think he would beat Cintron but he would have a very hard night with Clottey.Has'nt Williams moved up a weight?

Williams may have moved up a weight class, but only because no one at 147 wanted to face him.

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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

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He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

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Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same

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He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

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After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

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I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

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He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

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Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same

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He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

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After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

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I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

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well Margarito is fighting the same guy that cotto beat :-\

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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

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He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

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Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.

It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.

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It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

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He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

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Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.

It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.

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On top of that his dumb ass trainer or promoter (cant remember which) jumped up on the canvas and totally ddisctracted Taylor I think it made enough of a difference.

Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.

So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?

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Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.

So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?

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i think he did say something like that. I think he stoppage should have come like 30 seconds earlier

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Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.

So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?

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So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?

Now Im thinking about it more; I cant rememeber if it was part of the answer on why he just quit or if he will come back and try it again :-\.

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Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.

So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?

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So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?

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that quote was referring to the Cotto V Margo fight.

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Too fast a stoppage ???
I have dreamt stuff and thought it was true before but not about boxing as yet :-\.

So was I dreaming hearing Cotto say (post fight)
"My family is everything to me and Im everything to them I had to think of them etc..." ?

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So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?

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that quote was referring to the Cotto V Margo fight.

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Yeah sorry :p. Im stuck on thinking about Cotto and why he took a knee etc , i cant remember if he said the family relies on me so the decision is about them and me ;in regards to him stopping fighting or whether or not he may not come back and fight Margo again.
To have other priorities goig into a fight is not a real good sign either way around and wont help at all next around, but it is smart.

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So you are saying that Taylor did have time to respond after the 2nd "Are you OK" ? Or are you even talking about Taylor?

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that quote was referring to the Cotto V Margo fight.

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Yeah sorry :p.

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LOL, but Onix and I were talking about chavez taylor. :confused:

This selective quoting of yours is messing things up Andre. ;D