Cotto may never be the same

[TitoFan]

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him, I guess im looking to hear your thoughts on Cotto's mental state, was he beaten to the point of being a lesser fighter because of that loss?

I know you're a Margo fan, and I commend you for your well put together post. Thanks for recognizing just how well Cotto fought, although in a losing effort. Most boxing fans tend to dismiss a fighter's efforts once he loses, but I agree with you that Cotto was putting on a boxing clinic, AND hitting Margo with some bombs that would've dropped lesser fighters.

Regarding Cotto's mental state, I feel Cotto is an EXTREMELY strong fighter mentally. But to automatically assume that there will be NO effects from his devastating loss to Margarito when they meet again... is to not recognize the realities of boxing. That Cotto has the tools to be an elite champion at 147, I don't think anyone disputes that. And I think he's got the mental makeup to come back. But a rematch with Margarito would be very dangerous indeed. Although knowing Cotto, he'll probably jump at the opportunity.

[Rantcatrat]

Just watched the Margo V Cotto fight again...

Cotto performed at the highest level possible, literally the man put on a clinic.

The bombs that Cotto was landing on Margo were devastating slipping in and out hitting Margo with heavy handed cement fisted shots that could literally have dropped much bigger men. The dancing and foot work that Cotto was using made Floyds work on dancing with the stars look like amatuer night at the Apollo...THE MAN COULD DO NO WRONG.

He got beat up.

Cotto is a great fighter/warrior, but how do you come back from that, to have put on the best performance of your life, only to be preasurred into submission, I think it was the kind of loss that can change a fighter, at the very least his style. There were some moments in that fight, that I caught some looks and body language from Cotto that alluded to what ultimately happened in the fight, looks of desperation truly.

Here's my question, Cotto is coming up on a fight soon and afterwards probably will come a rematch against Margo. Will he be the same? I know there are lots of Cotto fans and I respect you all. but try to be objective here. I'd also like to here what you think Cotto's mental state will be going into a Margo rematch, can he pull the trigger against the man who beat him, I guess im looking to hear your thoughts on Cotto's mental state, was he beaten to the point of being a lesser fighter because of that loss?

I know you're a Margo fan, and I commend you for your well put together post. Thanks for recognizing just how well Cotto fought, although in a losing effort. Most boxing fans tend to dismiss a fighter's efforts once he loses, but I agree with you that Cotto was putting on a boxing clinic, AND hitting Margo with some bombs that would've dropped lesser fighters.

Regarding Cotto's mental state, I feel Cotto is an EXTREMELY strong fighter mentally. But to automatically assume that there will be NO effects from his devastating loss to Margarito when they meet again... is to not recognize the realities of boxing. That Cotto has the tools to be an elite champion at 147, I don't think anyone disputes that. And I think he's got the mental makeup to come back. But a rematch with Margarito would be very dangerous indeed. Although knowing Cotto, he'll probably jump at the opportunity.

Cotto wasn't putting on a boxing clinic; he was winning, but it wasn't a clinic. Clinic is mastery over your opponent. All three ringside judges scored round 2 for Margarito; in round 3, although Margarito lost the round, he bloodied Cotto's nose. Rounds 4 and 5 were for Cotto. The momentum of the fight, however, surely had changed by around round 6. Midway through round 7, Margarito actually hurt Cotto with a barrage of punches. The rest is history.

For an example of a boxer who put on a boxing clinic, but then was beat, see the Bute v. Andrade fight - Bute probably won 10 or 11 rounds before succumbing to Andrade in the twelth. Cotto won 4 of the first 6. By round seven, the fight was becoming close. By round 10, Cotto was withering and most judges had the fight for Margarito or a draw. Round 11 saw Cotto give up. If the fight was a ten round fight, the scores would have been close, probably with Cotto winning, but again that isn't a clinic. Cotto deserves praise for his guts and lasting as long as he did in that fight.

Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same. After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters - Clottey, Williams, or Cintron?

[littlebif]

I would like to see Cotto in with Clottey or Cintron.I think he would beat Cintron but he would have a very hard night with Clottey.Has'nt Williams moved up a weight?

[Rantcatrat]

Williams may have moved up a weight class, but only because no one at 147 wanted to face him.

[Chino]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same

He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

[kingfrnk]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same

He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

well Margarito is fighting the same guy that cotto beat

[CGM]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.

It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.

[Onix]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

Actually it was a bit longer than a second, more like a second and a half. Two seconds tops. During this time yeah Steele asked him twice, and the after the 2nd time, he didn't even give Taylor time to respond.

It happened too fast. But Steele did things like that.

On top of that his dumb ass trainer or promoter (cant remember which) jumped up on the canvas and totally ddisctracted Taylor I think it made enough of a difference.

[CFH]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.

Cotto lost a big fight, let's wait to see how he fights in his next fight to assess whether he'll be the same

He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

You know what I like about you Chino? How original all your posts are. You don't limit yourself to one topic or say the same things over and over again like a some posters; you've got a lot to say, and you present it in as unbiased a way a possible, backing up all your assertions with solid facts.

Good job

[OumaFan]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

You know what I like about you Chino? How original all your posts are. You don't limit yourself to one topic or say the same things over and over again like a some posters; you've got a lot to say, and you present it in as unbiased a way a possible, backing up all your assertions with solid facts.

Good job

Agreed. If you said to me who's the worst poster on this board you know who I'm sure I wouldn't pick, Chino.