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Well with all this talk that boxing is dead, we have some ammo against that notion. Arlovski coming over to boxing is a good sign for boxing, Money is the #1 reason this is happening. MMA fighters get paid like crap so I could see more MMA fighters doing this. I cant see why a boxer would make the switch, it would be suicide.
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Even against Valuev Arlovski would be made to look foolish, he doesnt take a shot too well either.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpw5Bq...heslav-datsik/
He fights face first straight on and wild, ok if you have no gloves on but as soon as he has gloves on and fighting people that are used to punches coming their way he'll end up on his back again.
Its ok showing someone from that discipline how to box but they need too be doing it regularly, ie a a good few warm up matches first, throw him straight in with a decent boxer and he will get frustrated and revert to being a brawler who wont connect and get his head snapped back till he drops.
Boxing and MMA are completely different styles...You cant just jump from one to the other.....IMO Arlovski will get killed by Klitchsko or any top ten heavyweight......Arlovski was a pretty good striker but relied on his grappling to win a few fights when the other guy had better striking...
Good luck to him, I really liked Arlovski before he went on the losing streak in UFC....
Funny...to me this shows people have no confidence Arlovski will beat Fedor..so he has already lined up a new career.....
You do realize that was his professional debut back in 1999?Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Fight Finder - Andrei "Pitbull" Arlovski's Mixed Martial Arts Statistics
BTW Vitor Belfort tried to transition to Boxing and KO'D another fighter back in 06 making his debut as well.. No boxing matches from Belfort since
Andrei is a big, athletic, technically skilled fighter, but you don't jump into a world title fight in your debut, thats just not realistic.
A lot of MMA guys have crossed over to boxing and had success (Belfort, Nick Diaz, Ricco Rodriguez, ect) but their wins were over nobodies. The thought of a guy jumping over and fighting a world champ (even if it is Valuev) is laughable.
I agree, no one deserves to get handed a title shot, the only angle that they would be using here is that, Valuev is a sideshow and an undeserving piece of crap champ... so as far as a domestic showdown goes they might try to make it happen despite the calls of BS, throughout the boxing worldQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Alot of Boxers jump to MMA,its called "Help! my boxing career is stalled"Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
More like dead and buried, fighters like Botha, Butterbean, Phillips, Mercer and Morrison.
Before them you had Leon Spinks who would fight anyone and anything for any amount;D
They were all going nowhere in boxing so thought, "fuck it I need soe quick cash, ill join the circus"
If Arlovski gets ko'd by Fedor expect him to have trouble getting a boxing licence, no commision would want a brain damaged ex mma fighter holding their licence, let alone going straight in with such a massive world champion.
If someone like this is deadly serious about a boxing career, at least test the water by starting out as an amature, whithout any amature bouts they can start as a complete novice and have a few bouts that mean nothing, then if they feel they are cut out for it, build themselves up in the pro ranks.
Any mma fighter will struggle when put in with a mediocre boxer, as has happened to mighty mo, Belfort fought another ex mma fighter who was making his debut in his own boxing debut:rolleyes:.
Arlovski needs to calm down and stop believing his own hype, if he doesnt he will get embarrassed much the same as old fat boxing hasbeens have jumping in to mma whithout success.
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Originally Posted by ross
The fights I've seen him in, he hasn't fought face first at all, he is a quick big guy, and his reminded me of Wladimir, but with less punches or technique, but he is probably a decent boxer.
I saw the Vitor fight (boxing debut) he was a bit wild and looked to rush into things. I thought we'd def. see more of him in the ring but like JT said nothing followed. I think the fight took place in his native Brazil also I think either Kelson Pinto or some other Brazilian known fighter was suppose to be on the card but pulled out later.
I've seen Arslovski training at the Wild Card Gym he's being trained by Freddie Roach and he can hold his own there. Guess we really wont know until he get's in there.
Arslovski was to make his debut I think on the undercard of JMM-Pac II not sure why he didn't...
I think he should start where al lother boxers did and work his way up the food chain but beign in goldenboy promotion he probly is going to start fightin with the big boys.
Lets all just hope he doesnt reflexively kick someone on the head.:(
This is the first and only time I will ever type this....
Valuev wins by KO
MMA fighters are MMA fighters either because they don't box or because MMA is easier than boxing to be good at.
You guys are generalizing Andre with all the other MMA fighters.
He hasnt got the chin to play with boxings big boys, look at the straight right that lands on his jaw in the vid clip, hes out! and for a good while too!!
Weird :confused: Our Heavyweight Champ has been Tko plenty, with a generously padded glove, and Andre was Ko'd with a 4oz'r.. I'd say Arlovski has the better chin ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
mark my words mma or ufc will NEVER have anything on boxing NEVER. i dont care what ppl say ufc and mma might be big now but its gonna die out. boxing has bin around for hundreds of years and is better 2 watch and is more of an art. dont get me wrong ufc is fucking hardddd those guys r tuff and can fight but boxing will allways be 1-0 allways
Do you realize that MMA has been around alot longer than Queensbury rules boxing??? Its Orgins span across the globe from actual Combat roots from various counties for means of survival... Its the truest form of fighting there is, minus weapons...Quote:
Originally Posted by W1NKY
These Disciplines of Martial Arts have been around for centuries... MMA isint going anywere dude.
You reckon arlovski has the better chin? Im pretty sure Brewster, Sandersand Purrity are bigger and better punchers than Viacheslav Datsik ;D
Well it is the sport of stereotypes....middle class white guys with tribal tatoos who love GNC and have anger issues for no good reason...that describes the majority of fighters and fans of the "sport" known as Mixed Martial Arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
I don't think this dude will be any different than anyone else switching between MMA and Boxing. Either way it shouldn't be done, boxers don't deal with kicking very well and MMA fighters can't punch worth a damn and their defense is horrible....just watch Chuck Lidell-Rampage Jackson II....Lidell drops his hand and BANG right cross and the Ice Man is ice cold...are you telling me a boxer wouldn't have done the same thing????
Defense is entirely different in MMA, if you hold your hands to high or get to preoccupied, you run the risk of getting taken down.. Boxing you are only concerned with punches from the waist up and from the front... MMA its free game... Also there are a lot of fighters emerging and being successful that dont fit that profile that you always allude to..Quote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell it is the sport of stereotypes....middle class white guys with tribal tatoos who love GNC and have anger issues for no good reason...that describes the majority of fighters and fans of the "sport" known as Mixed Martial Arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
I don't think this dude will be any different than anyone else switching between MMA and Boxing. Either way it shouldn't be done, boxers don't deal with kicking very well and MMA fighters can't punch worth a damn and their defense is horrible....just watch Chuck Lidell-Rampage Jackson II....Lidell drops his hand and BANG right cross and the Ice Man is ice cold...are you telling me a boxer wouldn't have done the same thing????
Below are some of the top fighters in MMA and consequently arent tattooed trailer park maniacs
Anderson Silva PFP#1 FIGHTER in combat sports(including Boxing)
Georges St Pierre
Fedor Emelianko
BJ Penn
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin
Mauricio Rua
Frank Mir... A few Tattoos(non tribal), but very gracious and articulate
And many more
I venture to say, I see plenty of boxers who have shitty trailer park tattoos as well, with dickhead personas
Oh yes the defense is entirely different in MMA. When boxers fight in MMA they usually lose when they fight guys that kick as they aren't used to blocking kicks, see Ray Mercer.
Sure there are boxers who have bad attitudes and tribal tatoos but boxing isn't marketed 100% to and for a specific type of person like MMA is. Just watch the commercials when The Ultimate Fighter is on.....don't blame me for calling the sport out on it, blame Dana White he's done it to the sport.
I can't stand watching MMA and welcome any of those guys who want to come over to boxing with open arms..
I like boxing as science and art.. MMA is a controlled street fight.. There is nothing artful, scientific, or glorious about a street fight.. Not to me anyway..
To the pompous ego maniacs that love MMA, I guess it's a different story.. But give me a sub-par Cricket or Tennis match over an MMA Title fight any day of the week.
MMA, UFC etc are just passing fads like wrestling or even the XFL.
Outside of america and asia these types of sports have very little following and boxing is still and always will however bad it ever gets as the main true combat sport.
Cant seriously see 20 years from now the likes of muhammed ali, sugar ray leonard and lennox lewis being replaced by kimbo slice or brock lesnar (these 2 are the only UFC fighters i know of and thats only thanks to youtube)
Wait a second,Im a middle class,and by appearance a white dude(which is funny because Im Cherokee and Polish,the German part got the eyes and the hair),I have tribal tattoos,I took and medaled and trophied in the martial arts,and I loathe MMAQuote:
Originally Posted by LyleWell it is the sport of stereotypes....middle class white guys with tribal tatoos who love GNC and have anger issues for no good reason...that describes the majority of fighters and fans of the "sport" known as Mixed Martial Arts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
I don't think this dude will be any different than anyone else switching between MMA and Boxing. Either way it shouldn't be done, boxers don't deal with kicking very well and MMA fighters can't punch worth a damn and their defense is horrible....just watch Chuck Lidell-Rampage Jackson II....Lidell drops his hand and BANG right cross and the Ice Man is ice cold...are you telling me a boxer wouldn't have done the same thing????
Hey all stereotypes have their shortcomings....hell there are Republicans that aren't white but nobody ever talks about them
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Originally Posted by Lyle
Who is boxing marketed too????
What stereo type does a Ricky Hatton fan fit?
What stereo type does a Manny Pacquio fan fit?
ODH?
What's the point of stating who a fight is marketed too? Most fights are marketed somehow. You act like that's the only people in the crowd at mma fights. I have seen just as many athletes and actors ringside for UFC fights as boxing matches.
UFC is marketed to a certain demographic, if you don't see it then I can't help you buddy...Dana White has done it, it's why UFC is a viable company, it's also why The Ultimate Fighter has the same types of people in it year after year
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I didn't say I can't see it. I said what difference does it make? Fights are marketed to certain demographics. Bob Arum is constantly saying this fight is for "mexicans" or philipinos. A fighters fan base is usually a demographic, nationalistic is common in boxing. It just doesn't matter. It's not a reflection on the sport because of who it's marketed to, Spike tv is where most of the fights are televised and because it's a tv station targeted towards middleclass, middle age males, the sport of UFC is?????
Soleo Boxeo was on a spanish station. Does that mean boxing is targeted 100% towards mexicans?
Over the years i've consistently heard you bag on UFC cause of the demographic of who watches it. Dude, let it go. Your so bitter about it. Makes me think you lost a girlfriend to an mma guy or something. You've had a few years for those wounds to heal......let it go man.;)