Some Days I Hate Being Involved In Boxing

Long story long,I go get my kid from the bust stop,he wants to go over to the neighbors house. No biggy.
So we drop off his book bag and head over
What I didnt realize is this wanna be tough guy had been drinking all day.
Guys 53 and practically crippled
So he decides he wants to get in to a tough guy pissing match with me,with my kid in the house.
First he shows me his 44, and points out its loaded,doing a full spin on it twice.
Then he tries to talk me down with all his tough guy tales,now keep in mind Ive spent quite a few nights in the Roundhouse,so Im not impressed.
Then he starts making noises like he could kick my ass,and I politely tell him,son I can drop you where you stand right now.
He flips
Now keep in mind he's been trying to get this going since I walked in the door,and my son is in his house.
Now I try to calmly talk to him,and that just makes him angrier,keeping in mind,I could have dropped his slipper wearing ass at will.
And as I sit here right now,Id love to go over there and deck his ass just for being a drunken asshole,but I cant,because even though he started it,if I finish it,guess who gets in trouble.

Yeah that sounds like a rubbish situation.. Why were you dropping your son there??

Something always to consider as well is that most jails are chock full with guys who are in there simply because they've crossed the line trying to protect and uphold their big tough ego... Every guy like this deserves an ass kicking just for being a drunken asshole, but if he decided his ego depended on him finally getting the upper hand on you sometime, it wouldn't be a good situation for you or your family..

Obviously he needed a good spanking or ass kicking as a child and never got it. And it's a shame that they like getting their boost by taking a shot at guys like you who are clearly tougher and have their shit together, but with an OBVIOUS good nature that would not be dragged into their dumb games.. I highly doubt he would have pulled the same shit if he knew you were an explosive guy that wouldn't hesitate to pound his ass into the dust... So to have a positive outlook on it, at least from my perspective anyway, his actions are a good reflection on you..

And side stepping his shit is even more testiment to that.. Even though the natural chemical explosion you get from people like this tells you whole heartedly to go over and knock his head off..

You wanna beat up a 53 year-old, slipper wearing, drunk, cripple? ;D

What does that situation have to do with boxing? :-\

TM you've got to fill in a few gaps for me ;) was the 53 year old your son's friends father or something? Was he related to boxing in someway? I don't really follow what's going on except that some delirious old cripple was doing what delirious old cripples do best.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You wanna beat up a 53 year-old, slipper wearing, drunk, cripple? ;D

What does that situation have to do with boxing? :-\

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Simple,even if a drunk SOB starts waiving around his Dirty Harry gun,spins it twice,drops a fully loaded cylinder on the floor not 10 feet from your son,and then gets irrationally angry with you,if your trained in any martial art,but especially boxing,and you give him the ass whupping he is so desperately begging for at that point, I will bet you dollars to doughnuts whose ass is going to be sitting in the pokey trying to make bail in the next hour.
Hint:Not the drunken asshole.
And as far as Diz's question,when he's sober,he's normally a pretty allright dude,so I thought nothing of going over there with my kid,actually it was my kids idea to go a calling. The fact that I know he normally has a bunch of half cases of Bud Ice stacked next to his fridge,and I didnt see any,and I also saw a couple of roaches in his ashtray,probably should have been a hint and a half. Im wondering in the non light of a new day(its 6:30 AM here,the suns not up yet) if its just the painkillers they give him for his back just dont agree with him.
Oh well,I didnt pound him the mush,which he was really begging for,but it wouldnt have been a good idea to do it. But in one half hour setting you dont wave around a .44 gun and a police issue metal flashlight if you arent begging for fight. Its not like I said,"Do you have an enormous gun that I might have seen in Dirty Harry,that I could see,for no good reason,and by the way,could you prove its loaded,my kids in the next room,so Im sure he'll be impressed"

So what you're saying is - the situation made you hate boxing because if you wasn't involved in boxing (still refuse to name any fighters you deal with? ;)) you would have duffed-up a drunk cripple?

err.. whether you're involved in boxing or not, bashing up cripples - especially drunken, slipper wearing ones - don't look too good dude ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

So what you're saying is - the situation made you hate boxing because if you wasn't involved in boxing (still refuse to name any fighters you deal with? ;)) you would have duffed-up a drunk cripple?

err.. whether you're involved in boxing or not, bashing up cripples - especially drunken, slipper wearing ones - don't look too good dude ;)

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If your a drunk slipper wearing cripple,picking fights doesnt look good,dude.
Personal responsibility and all that,I start thumping someone in the chest,I should expect them to thump back

I have a solution. Join the police force then beat him up and everyone will be believe you that he deserved a beat down:cool:

I don't mean to be a prick but you did allow for that situation to come to fruition. Now you didn't make the slipper wearing cripple drink all day or wave his gun around and act like a moron but you did allow for your kid to be in that environment.

What sort of meds is he on? my dad was hit by a car a few years back... when a half tonne metal box hits you doing 70 and you pull through it you're going to need a lot of pain management. Until they sorted the dosages of the concoction of pain killers (Morphine, bi-polar meds for his head injury.... all sorts, tens of pills a day) they had him on out he would sometimes become aggressive and erratic... completely out of his nature.

He'd feel awful afterwards and I couldn't hold anything against him because I knew of his situation. He'd start trying to create an argument and then start making physical threats and getting into a pissing contest like you say.

My dad knew I was physically more able then him, he's seen me box a number of times... there was no logically or deliberate thought going on, it wasn't him.

The self esteem issues that come with becoming physically dibilatated, the confusion and lack of control from the meds.
The fact is if he is old, 'crippled' and medicated then you have to be above it.

I could walk away and forgive him everytime and I feel better for it.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

So what you're saying is - the situation made you hate boxing because if you wasn't involved in boxing (still refuse to name any fighters you deal with? ;)) you would have duffed-up a drunk cripple?

err.. whether you're involved in boxing or not, bashing up cripples - especially drunken, slipper wearing ones - don't look too good dude ;)

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If your a drunk slipper wearing cripple,picking fights doesnt look good,dude.
Personal responsibility and all that,I start thumping someone in the chest,I should expect them to thump back

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Actually, a drunken 53 year-old cripple thinking he can give you a slap is funny ;D

He must think you're a plum ;D

Next time threaten him to see how he reacts. Best check his finger aint on the trigger first mind ;)

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Originally Posted by Missy

I have a solution. Join the police force then beat him up and everyone will be believe you that he deserved a beat down:cool:

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Tempting

I thought TM was going to say something about Kid Thunder. :D

But after reading the story, I'm with a few others... not really a boxing story per se, or one that involves boxing at all. Just some sort of drunken hillbilly shit with a gun.

Not a classic anecdote, really. And frankly, a bit of a mislead. Should have been titled something more like, "Some Days I Hate Living In West Virginia with all this White Trash." :cool:

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What sort of meds is he on? my dad was hit by a car a few years back... when a half tonne metal box hits you doing 70 and you pull through it you're going to need a lot of pain management. Until they sorted the dosages of the concoction of pain killers (Morphine, bi-polar meds for his head injury.... all sorts, tens of pills a day) they had him on out he would sometimes become aggressive and erratic... completely out of his nature.

He'd feel awful afterwards and I couldn't hold anything against him because I knew of his situation. He'd start trying to create an argument and then start making physical threats and getting into a pissing contest like you say.

My dad knew I was physically more able then him, he's seen me box a number of times... there was no logically or deliberate thought going on, it wasn't him.

The self esteem issues that come with becoming physically dibilatated, the confusion and lack of control from the meds.
The fact is if he is old, 'crippled' and medicated then you have to be above it.

I could walk away and forgive him everytime and I feel better for it.

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I honestly dont know,but this is the second time since they changed his meds,I thought he was acting "off'. This time obviously much more so then the last time.
And for Von,no it is boxing related,if I didnt run a gym,I could have just kicked his ass in like he was begging for me to do. BECAUSE I run a boxing gym,that becomes a very actionable situation. As far the "drunk hillbilly from West Virginia" comment,Ive seen way drunker,and way more beligerent in West Philly,or NYC

waaat ???

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waaat ???

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Didnt know that little hiccup in the law?
If it can be proven in a court of law,that your ability to create violence,if trained ,no matter who started it,your going to be at the very least partially responsible.
There is a reason I dont let my boxers go in to bars,nothing good is going to come of it

well...my 'waaaat' was just a general kinda waaaaaat ??? like this 'waaaat ' thee fuk. No need to assume it refers to anything and is any more then an interjection of bewilderment.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

I thought TM was going to say something about Kid Thunder. :D

But after reading the story, I'm with a few others... not really a boxing story per se, or one that involves boxing at all. Just some sort of drunken hillbilly shit with a gun.

Not a classic anecdote, really. And frankly, a bit of a mislead. Should have been titled something more like, "Some Days I Hate Living In West Virginia with all this White Trash." :cool:

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Not at all. I'm with Trainer on this one. If you are trained in the art of pugilism, or some other martial art, then if push comes to shove your training will be held against you in a court of law. Makes perfect sense. Your training puts extra legal onus on you to avoid physical conflict with the "general public" as much as is reasonably possible.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

I thought TM was going to say something about Kid Thunder. :D

But after reading the story, I'm with a few others... not really a boxing story per se, or one that involves boxing at all. Just some sort of drunken hillbilly shit with a gun.

Not a classic anecdote, really. And frankly, a bit of a mislead. Should have been titled something more like, "Some Days I Hate Living In West Virginia with all this White Trash." :cool:

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Not at all. I'm with Trainer on this one. If you are trained in the art of pugilism, or some other martial art, then if push comes to shove your training will be held against you in a court of law. Makes perfect sense. Your training puts extra legal onus on you to avoid physical conflict with the "general public" as much as is reasonably possible.

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Bingo,when you go up the ranks in the martial arts,any martial art including boxing,you should be warned,that if you deck the SOB,you might be held more accountable then the other guy.
Its assumed you have more control and more training,so you could have avoided laying him out.
I know thats horseshit,but thats the way it is,I mean anyone whose fought in any martial art knows you take the shot thats there,you dont have time to be a discerning shopper,but that isnt the way the court will see it.

Make it more fun,he must think Im dumber then dogshit
I have my boxers do laps in front of the gym to warm up,now the lap takes them past this douchebags house
He comes out and yells at them,"I dont want you doing that,and if he doesnt like it,he can come down here and talk to me"
Now I know what the drunken bastard is up to,if Im on his property,he's got a built in excuse,"Well he's trained,I thought he was threatening me,and here I am a poor cripple on medication"
And trust me,if he so much as swung,as long as there were witnesses,he wouldnt swing twice. The difference between the two of us is,Id do just enough to diffuse the situation,he's itching for an excuse that .44 caliber penis extension.
But its still frustrating, my animal instinct is to go down there and turn his face in to a slimy goo. But as a Buddhist and a martial artist,Im not allowed to do that,its against the rules. If he swung at me in public,it would be a two shot fight,I hit him,he hits the floor. But one of the rules of truly being a warrior is to not allow yourself to be goaded in to foolishness by an inferior combatant.

I think you're unstable TM. As in not stable, probably best that you stay here, posting.

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I think you're unstable TM. As in not stable, probably best that you stay here, posting.

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No,if I was unstable,I would have gone down there,and pasted him one.
He's hit on my woman in my house,he's dropped a loaded .44 magnum cylinder not 10 feet from my kid,and he's now screwed with my training regiments for my fighters.
And I havent decked his ass yet,you cant get much more stable then that.
Just because I want to hit the guy,and he's goaded me as well as he could,doesnt mean Im stupid enough to do it,Id rather vent my frustrations on an internet board,and the fact that I didnt rise to the bait like a brook trout is only pissing him off more. Im just releasing frustrations in internet land,rather then doing it in real life land. Some days you just need some kind of vent when your pissed off, my advice,allways take the one that doesnt involve cops

So he has hit on your woman in your house and you let your kid hang out with him while he's smashed and weilding a loaded gun?????


Dude...come on make some better decisions

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Originally Posted by Lyle

So he has hit on your woman in your house and you let your kid hang out with him while he's smashed and weilding a loaded gun?????


Dude...come on make some better decisions

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You mean like leave his house,which I did,making sure the kid wasnt around before I went back?
Its not like I even suggested,lets go visit Uncle Terry,I think he's been drinking,or said,hey do you have a fully loaded Dirty Harry gun kicking around that I could see

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Originally Posted by Youngblood

waaat ???

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my thoughts, exactly..

dude, if a drunk guy has a gun out, and your kid is in his house.. mistake #1..

if a drunk guy has a gun, and you are unarmed, yet think of fighting/neutralizing him.. mistake #2

if a drunk guy has a gun, and you are confident, absolutely confident you could take care of him without harming yourself or someone else, and you think that because you're involved in BOXING that you're going to get in trouble? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

if someone has a gun out, implying they will use it on you.. that is already threatening to you.. this is called SELF DEFENSE.. defending yourself, and in this case, your family also..

unless wherever you live the law is completely different (which i know it isn't, but just for effect) anyone is allowed to defend themselves, it is your right.. on top of that, if you are trained in martial arts or boxing or MMA or anything it is nearly irrelevant in this situation. The ONLY thing that matters, and this goes for any citizen regardless of training is that you cannot go overboard and destroy someone..

if some random guy comes out of a store, and punches you in the face and is threatening your life, you are fully aloud to neutralize him LEGALLY.. You just cannot do anything beyond that. then you will be in the illegal zone. Doesn't matter if you're a fighter, if you're 8 feet, or jesus christ himself..

the big thing about boxers being in a bar or something like that has to do with drunken people around them wanting to fight the boxer. if a boxer starts a fight, he's probably in more trouble than the next guy, but as far as defending yourself, or neutralizing a situation, a trained special agent is on the same page as an 18 year old kid who plays world of warcraft every day. it's all about intent.

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You mean like leave his house,which I did,making sure the kid wasnt around before I went back?
Its not like I even suggested,lets go visit Uncle Terry,I think he's been drinking,or said,hey do you have a fully loaded Dirty Harry gun kicking around that I could see

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Have you talked to "Uncle Terry" when he's sober and told him what a tool he is?

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

Yeah that sounds like a rubbish situation.. Why were you dropping your son there??

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Good question. I'd like to hear more of the backstory.

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You mean like leave his house,which I did,making sure the kid wasnt around before I went back?
Its not like I even suggested,lets go visit Uncle Terry,I think he's been drinking,or said,hey do you have a fully loaded Dirty Harry gun kicking around that I could see

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Have you talked to "Uncle Terry" when he's sober and told him what a tool he is?

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Considering I wouldnt have expected him to be s-faced at 3 in the afternoon,I dont know when he WILL be sober.

Have to say TM...That would have ended at "he shows me his 44 and spins the wheel"...with your boy in his house and him standing in your way.Lights the fawk out,no conversation needed and 99% certain you would be exonerated vs. an armed & dangerous threatening drunkard.Instinct thing?God know what he is thinking with gun in hand??

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Have to say TM...That would have ended at "he shows me his 44 and spins the wheel"...with your boy in his house and him standing in your way.Lights the fawk out,no conversation needed and 99% certain you would be exonerated vs. an armed & dangerous threatening drunkard.Instinct thing?God know what he is thinking with gun in hand??

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Its the 1% I worry about,Im trying to raise a kid,enjoy my time with my wife,enjoy owning my own house,and build a buisness. Im not inclined after all the years I had to scrabble to get here,to blow it because either somebodies meds arent working,or their self-medicating is BS.
Ive talked to the wife about it,and he's had a few financial problems,and is on new meds,we're wondering he's not thinking in his fogged head,"Its in my house,and its his word against mine,I'll sue him for everything he's worth if he hits me"
Im taking an attitude now of,fine if he wants to be like that,he can take the first swing,but Im going to make sure its in public,with a few pillars of the community watching. I would like to avoid getting a good look at what type of jail cells WV has from the wrong side of the bars.

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Originally Posted by Von Milash

I thought TM was going to say something about Kid Thunder. :D

But after reading the story, I'm with a few others... not really a boxing story per se, or one that involves boxing at all. Just some sort of drunken hillbilly shit with a gun.

Not a classic anecdote, really. And frankly, a bit of a mislead. Should have been titled something more like, "Some Days I Hate Living In West Virginia with all this White Trash." :cool:

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Not at all. I'm with Trainer on this one. If you are trained in the art of pugilism, or some other martial art, then if push comes to shove your training will be held against you in a court of law. Makes perfect sense. Your training puts extra legal onus on you to avoid physical conflict with the "general public" as much as is reasonably possible.

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Bingo,when you go up the ranks in the martial arts,any martial art including boxing,you should be warned,that if you deck the SOB,you might be held more accountable then the other guy.
Its assumed you have more control and more training,so you could have avoided laying him out.
I know thats horseshit,but thats the way it is,I mean anyone whose fought in any martial art knows you take the shot thats there,you dont have time to be a discerning shopper,but that isnt the way the court will see it.

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I must admit this thread comes across like one those classic 'You best hold me back guys, else I'm going to kill him, hold me back, HOLD ME BACK!!!, ........Damn he was lucky you held me back' type stories.

As for your pugilistic skills meaning you'd get into trouble for hitting him, I think this applies more to actual professional fighters whose bodies are lethal weapons, rather than a guy who hangs a punch bag in his garage. You'd could have hit him and been fine.

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Not at all. I'm with Trainer on this one. If you are trained in the art of pugilism, or some other martial art, then if push comes to shove your training will be held against you in a court of law. Makes perfect sense. Your training puts extra legal onus on you to avoid physical conflict with the "general public" as much as is reasonably possible.

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Bingo,when you go up the ranks in the martial arts,any martial art including boxing,you should be warned,that if you deck the SOB,you might be held more accountable then the other guy.
Its assumed you have more control and more training,so you could have avoided laying him out.
I know thats horseshit,but thats the way it is,I mean anyone whose fought in any martial art knows you take the shot thats there,you dont have time to be a discerning shopper,but that isnt the way the court will see it.

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I must admit this thread comes across like one those classic 'You best hold me back guys, else I'm going to kill him, hold me back, HOLD ME BACK!!!, ........Damn he was lucky you held me back' type stories.

As for your pugilistic skills meaning you'd get into trouble for hitting him, I think this applies more to actual professional fighters whose bodies are lethal weapons, rather than a guy who hangs a punch bag in his garage. You'd could have hit him and been fine.

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Yeah,Gold and Silver at the Reading invitational in martial arts,the trainer of the only pro in Southern WV,a Toughman and a Rough N Rowdy champ to me credit as well,yeah Id have have been okey dokey,as long as your version of it involves the pokey. Especially since even though he's acting like a douche,he's a local boy,and Im not, he grew up around here,and I moved here 4 years ago.
Even you Bilbo,can do that kind of mental math

hahah

My guess is a dude is holding a gun in your face with your kid in the room you aren't really thinking about prison because the system is out to get you. But I guess everything is out to get TM.

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Bingo,when you go up the ranks in the martial arts,any martial art including boxing,you should be warned,that if you deck the SOB,you might be held more accountable then the other guy.
Its assumed you have more control and more training,so you could have avoided laying him out.
I know thats horseshit,but thats the way it is,I mean anyone whose fought in any martial art knows you take the shot thats there,you dont have time to be a discerning shopper,but that isnt the way the court will see it.

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I must admit this thread comes across like one those classic 'You best hold me back guys, else I'm going to kill him, hold me back, HOLD ME BACK!!!, ........Damn he was lucky you held me back' type stories.

As for your pugilistic skills meaning you'd get into trouble for hitting him, I think this applies more to actual professional fighters whose bodies are lethal weapons, rather than a guy who hangs a punch bag in his garage. You'd could have hit him and been fine.

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Yeah,Gold and Silver at the Reading invitational in martial arts,the trainer of the only pro in Southern WV,a Toughman and a Rough N Rowdy champ to me credit as well,yeah Id have have been okey dokey,as long as your version of it involves the pokey. Especially since even though he's acting like a douche,he's a local boy,and Im not, he grew up around here,and I moved here 4 years ago.
Even you Bilbo,can do that kind of mental math

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Don't know all that to me sounds a bit like Al Bundy and his 4 touchdowns in one game in High School football.

YouTube - FourTouchdownsOneGame

hahahaha

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I just found the 2007 Rough n Rowdy championship fight on youtube.

I dunno man it kind of seems a step down from Thunder's trailer park belt. :-X

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5K7MU0...eature=related


On the bright side, it was fun watching the Star Wars kid get ktfo.

Bilbo,when you get 4 touchdowns,you can hang out with me and Al,until then stick to obsessing over which poster could be compared to a fictional young adult book series.

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Bilbo,when you get 4 touchdowns,you can hang out with me and Al,until then stick to obsessing over which poster could be compared to which poster best compares to a fictional young adult book series.

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Hey I came second in a local chess competition last month, I guess that means I shouldn't debate you because I'm too much of an intellectual heavyweight ;)

Don't fret I'm only joking with you Monkey, you post a stupid thread up like this you deserve some flack, it's the Saddo way of things.

If you think I'm being out of order though blame Fenster, his remark about how the cripple must have thought you looked like a plum had me rolling on the floor and I couldn't resist joining in.

But it's all in good humour buddy, we all take the piss out of each other on here, it's good fun all round.

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Bilbo,when you get 4 touchdowns,you can hang out with me and Al,until then stick to obsessing over which poster could be compared to which poster best compares to a fictional young adult book series.

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Hey I came second in a local chess competition last month, I guess that means I shouldn't debate you because I'm too much of an intellectual heavyweight ;)

Don't fret I'm only joking with you Monkey, you post a stupid thread up like this you deserve some flack, it's the Saddo way of things.

If you think I'm being out of order though blame Fenster, his remark about how the cripple must have thought you looked like a plum had me rolling on the floor and I couldn't resist joining in.

But it's all in good humour buddy, we all take the piss out of each other on here, it's good fun all round.

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While I understand f-ing with people,I had to vent somewhere,it beat the hell out of,of well,walking down there and beating the hell out of someone. I figured venting my spleen on the internet,beat seven kinds of hell out of explaining it to the officers.

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Bilbo,when you get 4 touchdowns,you can hang out with me and Al,until then stick to obsessing over which poster could be compared to which poster best compares to a fictional young adult book series.

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Hey I came second in a local chess competition last month, I guess that means I shouldn't debate you because I'm too much of an intellectual heavyweight ;)

Don't fret I'm only joking with you Monkey, you post a stupid thread up like this you deserve some flack, it's the Saddo way of things.

If you think I'm being out of order though blame Fenster, his remark about how the cripple must have thought you looked like a plum had me rolling on the floor and I couldn't resist joining in.

But it's all in good humour buddy, we all take the piss out of each other on here, it's good fun all round.

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While I understand f-ing with people,I had to vent somewhere,it beat the hell out of,of well,walking down there and beating the hell out of someone. I figured venting my spleen on the internet,beat seven kinds of hell out of explaining it to the officers.

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No worries buddy, glad you posted it, funny thread and that Rough N Rowdy vid was gold, the way that fat retard kid collapsed at the end was comedy at its finest.