Ricky Hatton's fight with Manny Pacquiao under threat - Telegraph
The question is.. is this a sign that Pac's arsehole has gone?
Discuss....
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Ricky Hatton's fight with Manny Pacquiao under threat - Telegraph
The question is.. is this a sign that Pac's arsehole has gone?
Discuss....
Was just reading another article mate a few minutes ago and thought exactly the same thing;)
Cannot see Hatton accepting anything less than 50-50 as it would be a HUGE step backwards in terms of self worth and status.
F*ck Pacman...Ricky and his fans are worth way more than that;)
Wonder if Pac v Floyd were to be negotiated what % would Pac want then because out of the 3 Hatton is the main crowd puller then Manny then Floyd BUT it's a perfect reversal in terms of who the better (alleged) fighters are with Floyd imo being right at the top.
Boxing is so f*cked up it's unreal;D
Can see this being a non event!
A 50:50 split sounds right to me. Hatton is a huge draw in the UK and will sell a lot of PPV's. Pac might have just had his big win, but the fight will be at 140 and Hatton is top dog there. 50:50 is fair. Pac will be challenging Hatton and not the other way round.
60:40 is probably what Manny's advisors are feeding him. It would be silly for Hatton to take such an offer. And if Pac doesnt take 50:50 then what does he have? The possibility of Mayweather coming back in time to face him?
The fight makes sense for both guys and with such big money at stake its pointless to squabble over the percentages like this. Just be gentlemen and split it. ;)
Exactly and ti's too big a fight to not happen and would be criminal if we never saw them both fight!
Dunno if Pac fears Hatton so much...more a case of Pac thinking he's the bigger draw.
You really can't split them at all apart from Ricky edging it purely on fanbase and the army that follow him time and time again.
They are both multi millionaires for fucksakes so 50-50 is the only way this will happen imo.
I'm sorry to be the odd man out, but I think 60-40 in Pac's favour is about right.
He's p4p, he's just had a sensational victory over DLH. Hatton hasn't done much at all since beating Tszyu and Castillo.
And let's not forget it'll be 40% of probably a bigger pot than what was on offer for the Mayweather fight.
I think Hatton will beat Manny comfortably, but I certainly believe he should be on the small end of the money...
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Originally Posted by Greig
Your right in terms of Pac being P4P (active) # 1 but this is boxing politics rearing it's annoying head and like i said is all coming down to self worth and Status.
But i agree that in a perfect world Pac should edge it and get a slightly bigger cut but boxing is far from perfect behind the scenes.
Ego clash anyone?
I don't know what Pac's team are thinking. Do they really think a fight with Mayweather could firstly generate much more than this fight and secondly, that Floyd would agree a 50:50 split to fight Manny?
I can only assume Pacs team are testing waters. To pass up on a great fight against the main man at 140, just because he made a bit against the Orange Satan would be a bit silly! I wouldnt have thought it a particularly difficult fight to hammer out. Im sure Manny is up for the fight no matter what. Its the people in his entourage/advisory commitee complicating things.Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey
I would have thought Hatton brought the lions share of money to the gig. Certainly in fan numbers.
Is Pac gonna sell more PPV than Hatton in the States? Considering his numbers pre Oscar, I wouldn't have thought he brings that much
Anyway.. So we're all in agreement that Pac's bottled it. Good.
Seems that way. 60:40 is just silly. If that's Manny's offer then he is a chicken, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Pac's just testing the waters I think. He has more options than Hatton since he can go back to lightweight as well. Probably thinks Hatton needs him more than the other way round.
PerhapsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
I'm just joking Miles. We all know it's bollocks boxing shenanigans.. be a shame if they don't fight though :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSeems that way. 60:40 is just silly. If that's Manny's offer then he is a chicken, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Yes, it would be a shame. Manny has a big army around him and Im sure he seldom chooses his opponent anyway. Its all down to his advisory commitee. They, of course, chew the required labels.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI'm just joking Miles. We all know it's bollocks boxing shenanigans.. be a shame if they don't fight though :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSeems that way. 60:40 is just silly. If that's Manny's offer then he is a chicken, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
dont worry guys ricky will bite. ;D
I think this is just Golden Boy whispering in Manny's ear and trying to cause trouble for Arum. Arum is rightly pointing out that Hatton brings a ton of money to the table via UK PPVs but he's also supposedly signed an exclusive deal with Setanta, so there's lots of intrigue here. I expect the fight will be made with an eventual 50/50 split.
I personally think purse splits should have an advantage for the winner. In this case, pay both men 40% of the purse and the winner gets the extra 20%. I know it won't happen but it sure puts something else on the line.
In that case, Floyd would have to settle for less than 50/50 because he would be coming out of retirement and would have been inactive for quite sometime. Pac at that point would definitely have the controlling power. What say does Mayweather get for purse when it would be Mayweather having to chase Pac cause he's the one making all the noise in the boxing world right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by hackey
I honestly don't think Manny is afraid to fight Hatton. Manny always takes big fights. He's in a much higher position for bargaining right now and he's trying to get himself some advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSeems that way. 60:40 is just silly. If that's Manny's offer then he is a chicken, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I agree with Pac testing the waters. EVERYONE wants a piece of Manny and Hatton is the one that has to get in line not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
In my eyes manny is lucky to get offered a 50:50 split.. Hatton definately brings more to the table with a larger fan base, better ppv ratings aswell as a overall better boxing record IMO.
What is mannys options if he doesn't fight Hatton? Mayweather certainly wouldn't settle for a 60:40 purse in favour of manny, infact he'd probably want it the other way around.
If it was possible for Manny to get 30K from the Philippines to come over then yeah maybe but no way, Hatton is going to be the draw simply because he's Hatton 50-50 should be fair but talking money splits in boxing is nauseating.
Fricken Asians they are always bartering for stuff.;)
Hatton should come back with an offer of a boat load of fish and see what they say to that.:lickish: yum fish.
I say 40:40 with the other 20 going to the winner should be fair.
Hatton may have a bigger fan base but Pacquiao is sure a close second. It's not like it's one fighter is bringing significantly more to the table. Both offer a great deal when it comes to the financial aspects of the bout.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyUK
And your comment about the boxing record, no way Hatton's record is better than Manny's.
Yes Sheep! I knew we would be on the same page here bud!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
There's a reason Hatton-Lazcano was on Versus and not HBO or Show Time. Nobody in the US gives a fukk about Hatton on his own. Hatton is not the bigger draw here. Pac is. Truth be told, I'm shocked Hatton is even in a position to get 40%. He needs to jump on that. Hatton needs Pac. Pac doesn't need Hatton.
Its coz it was in the UK. HBO offered him big money to have it in the US, but he turned it down because alot of fans travelled to see Mayweather take him apart. I'm not suggesting it would have been on PPV, but HBO wanted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Dude, apart from Oscar, Hatton is the biggest earner in the sport right now. I know you can't stand him, but the guy has made millions.
Even through Hatton does deserve parity, I would take the fight because I am sure he will beat Pac Man. Manny took a huge risk against ODH which paid off, Hatton's did not against Mayweather. When Hatton wins, he will be the man and can then dictate terms to the next big match probably against Mayweather, and he could even negotiate it at light welter. In short I would take the offer because in the long term it will work in his favour.
Come on now. Lets not tell tales. The fight was always going to be in the UK. That was the whole point. It was never going to be in the US. HBO wanted to change the start time of the fight. HBO didn't want to show that shiit at noon. Who was going to watch it in the first place? Much less at noon? Hatton for whatever his reasons were said no. HBO said "Fukk you than". "No big loss. We just won't televise it. And didn't televise it. Show Time laughed at it. Versus finally decided to pick it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIts coz it was in the UK. HBO offered him big money to have it in the US, but he turned it down because alot of fans travelled to see Mayweather take him apart. I'm not suggesting it would have been on PPV, but HBO wanted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Dude, apart from Oscar, Hatton is the biggest earner in the sport right now. I know you can't stand him, but the guy has made millions.
HBO don't like showing fights at noon. It don't benefit them. But some times they don't have a choice. HBO has shown Wladimir Klitschko fight multiple times around noon. They'll give Wlad his way. Cuz Wlad matters. They refused to give Hatton his way. Cuz they know Hatton means nothing here in the US.
I know it was always going to be in the UK, but they asked for the US or at least a US friendly time as you stated. I know why they didn't show it. But honestly...and this will go completely off topic...after showing the 3 fights Wlad has had last year, you believe HBO think all of America is gunna tune in at noon to see him fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCome on now. Lets not tell tales. The fight was always going to be in the UK. That was the whole point. It was never going to be in the US. HBO wanted to change the start time of the fight. HBO didn't want to show that shiit at noon. Who was going to watch it in the first place? Much less at noon? Hatton for whatever his reasons were said no. HBO said "Fukk you than". "No big loss. We just won't televise it. And didn't televise it. Show Time laughed at it. Versus finally decided to pick it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnIts coz it was in the UK. HBO offered him big money to have it in the US, but he turned it down because alot of fans travelled to see Mayweather take him apart. I'm not suggesting it would have been on PPV, but HBO wanted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Dude, apart from Oscar, Hatton is the biggest earner in the sport right now. I know you can't stand him, but the guy has made millions.
HBO don't like showing fights at noon. It don't benefit them. But some times they don't have a choice. HBO has shown Wladimir Klitschko fight multiple times around noon. They'll give Wlad his way. Cuz Wlad matters. They refused to give Hatton his way. Cuz they know Hatton means nothing here in the US.
HBO has no choice but to think it. Who else they going to back? They invested a lot in the Wlad. They going to ride him until somebody brutally knocks him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI know it was always going to be in the UK, but they asked for the US or at least a US friendly time as you stated. I know why they didn't show it. But honestly...and this will go completely off topic...after showing the 3 fights Wlad has had last year, you believe HBO think all of America is gunna tune in at noon to see him fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCome on now. Lets not tell tales. The fight was always going to be in the UK. That was the whole point. It was never going to be in the US. HBO wanted to change the start time of the fight. HBO didn't want to show that shiit at noon. Who was going to watch it in the first place? Much less at noon? Hatton for whatever his reasons were said no. HBO said "Fukk you than". "No big loss. We just won't televise it. And didn't televise it. Show Time laughed at it. Versus finally decided to pick it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
HBO don't like showing fights at noon. It don't benefit them. But some times they don't have a choice. HBO has shown Wladimir Klitschko fight multiple times around noon. They'll give Wlad his way. Cuz Wlad matters. They refused to give Hatton his way. Cuz they know Hatton means nothing here in the US.
and that man will be david haye;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHBO has no choice but to think it. Who else they going to back? They invested a lot in the Wlad. They going to ride him until somebody brutally knocks him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI know it was always going to be in the UK, but they asked for the US or at least a US friendly time as you stated. I know why they didn't show it. But honestly...and this will go completely off topic...after showing the 3 fights Wlad has had last year, you believe HBO think all of America is gunna tune in at noon to see him fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
prob with that is if it goes to the cards. they could both be decent fellas & fight for a draw then they get 50/50 split:oQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
i agree wot people say abt hatton needing the fight more than pacman though, at first i thought bollocks to a 60/40 split but as already said if hatton wins he is the man & can demand 60/40 if there is a rematch
Hatton does need him more than Pacman needs Hatton, 60-40 is probably right with negoiations Hatton will get his 50-50 split so don't fret Fatman fans!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Pac can go back and get Marquez 3 or anyone else he wants, he just KO'd the PPV king of the last 10 years so that puts the ball in his court. The fight will happen and everyone will be happy including Hatton.
It should be 50-50.
But really boxers should be fighting for Pride & Glory and recently added, for their Nation.
Not money.
I'm in favor for PAC having the lion's share of the purse split, maybe not less than 55% due to these reasons:
- PAC the no. 1 P4P boxer
- PAC the "hottest" boxer right now
- PAC the early betting favorite against Hatton
- Hatton got only 30% share in the PBF fight (from what I've read)
- PAC got only 35% share in the Hoya fight
- PAC the no. 1 boxer at 140 (according to BoxRec ;D )
- PAC has huge fanbase (maybe a very close second to Hatton's)
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Pacquioa is riding a huge wave of momentum and notoriety off of The Delehypa circus.Although Hatton is numero uno at 140 and has an immense loyal fan base at home,Pacquioa is at the wheel with the networks and has numerous options other wise.Hatton needs to look at the bigger picture longterm,when its all said and done I believe he'll come away with more than 40%.All focus on defeating 'Super mighty ultra Pac'...yawn....inside of the ring and not at the bargaining table.He does that and he'll reep the benifits greatly.
Hatton is going to be bringing more people to the seats and gaining more PPV buys. Money in => Money out simple equation. PAC could fight other people but unless PBF unretires no way he makes more money from fighting anyone else. 50-50 is definately reasonable.
You make me want to say 70-30 in favor of HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Economically they both bring roughly as much to the table as each other and any difference is outweighed by the commercial worth of these particular two guys fighting each other. Despite what Manny is saying about how he's the star here it'll be interesting to see how many US PPV buys he does when he isn't fighting an American or Latino fighter.
Yea...he does that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou make me want to say 70-30 in favor of HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
Team PAC usually gets what PAC rightfully deserves to get... Remember Hoya gave in to PAC's demands during the negotiation of their fight... I think eventually Team Hatton will also give to PAC what PAC rightfully deserves to get... and then we will have a fight...Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseYou make me want to say 70-30 in favor of HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer
All great points ,but Team Hatton should barter anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoprob with that is if it goes to the cards. they could both be decent fellas & fight for a draw then they get 50/50 split:oQuote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
i agree wot people say abt hatton needing the fight more than pacman though, at first i thought bollocks to a 60/40 split but as already said if hatton wins he is the man & can demand 60/40 if there is a rematch
Then once all is said and done Ricky should say ok Im only getting 40% you get 40% too and we'll give 20 % to the boxing retirement fund,Or the Phillipino opanage fund if you'd rather that.. "what say ye great man?".
That forces an equal deal, Manny has to conceed publicly cause of his political ambitions; give to one of them or look like a hog and first mental win goes to team Hatton.;)