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Yea another Tyson thread..
I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..
He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10
Crushed by Holyfield
Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him
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A fully prepared Tyson beats anyone IMO. Prime Tyson roughs up Holyfield something rotten and Lewis gets sparked in 5. Prime Tyson was that good. Wlad Klit would be sparked in 3. We need that right now.
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JT Rock
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.
He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.
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JT Rock
I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..
He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10
Crushed by Holyfield
Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him
A prime Mike Tyson would of probably lost to Tony Tucker, had Tony Tucker not broken his right hand after the 4th round. Yet he still hung in there for 12 rounds and won 4 rounds. Mike Tyson also almost lost to James Tillis but the knockdown saved him, he also lost his concentration and looked sloppy stopping Jose Ribalta, a guy who stood toe to toe with him for 10 rounds. And this was all in Mike Tyson's prime, people focus too much on his fights against Trevor Berbick, Michael Spinks, and forget his glaring flaws even in his so called "Unbeatable Prime".
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Also I think it is fair to say he did not have heart(relative to other great heavyweights). He never once came back from adversity in a fight. He was either going to win or he was going to lose.
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Lance Uppercut
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JT Rock
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.
He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.
He shouldnt have lost to Douglas though. He had the tools to be truly good much longer than he was.
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Also I think it is fair to say he did not have heart(relative to other great heavyweights). He never once came back from adversity in a fight. He was either going to win or he was going to lose.
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I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..
He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10
Crushed by Holyfield
Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him
above is my feeling on the subject
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JT Rock
I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..
He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10
Crushed by Holyfield
Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him
A prime Mike Tyson would of probably lost to Tony Tucker, had Tony Tucker not broken his right hand after the 4th round. Yet he still hung in there for 12 rounds and won 4 rounds. Mike Tyson also almost lost to James Tillis but the knockdown saved him, he also lost his concentration and looked sloppy stopping Jose Ribalta, a guy who stood toe to toe with him for 10 rounds. And this was all in Mike Tyson's prime, people focus too much on his fights against Trevor Berbick, Michael Spinks, and forget his glaring flaws even in his so called "Unbeatable Prime".
I hear you dude, but alot of great fighters struggled with some opposition along the way.. it happens to just about everyfighter
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A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.
And what impact he had on boxing.
I bet without Tyson MANY of us wouldn't have become the crazy boxing lovers we did ;)
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Tyson was good to watch , but as far as im concerned he fought weak oposition , and still lost Douglas.
His mental flaws were as relivant as a guys lack of power , or speed , fact is he had his shot , and didnt go on to be the very best of all time.
As for the biting of Holyfield , the prick should have been put back in prison and the key thrown away.
Tyson was good but no were near the best HW of all time , let alone best fighter in any division.
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The reason Mike never came back from adversity is because by the time he was getting beaten he wasnt training like he did or being trained like he did, Mike had such draw he called the shots and could do as he pleased, he had no one with morals or fortitude around him to wise him up, he had Don King keeping him happy.
No fighter has ever ruined a division Like Mike did, he wiped a generation out.
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
I miss Iron Mike, just was reading the Cotto-Jennings article and there was a youtube link to a Tyson training video..
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
I always laugh at the people that said Tyson had no heart and never got up off the canvas to win a fight... people dont realize that anytime he went down it was because he took a sustained beating and absorbed an inordinate amount of punishment that would have crumbled a lot of fighters much earlier in the fight..
He caught a beatdown by Douglas and still kept coming forward and digging buster until he got waffled and still got up at 10
Crushed by Holyfield
Lewis put a lot of leather on him until he wore him down and caught him
I think this is an important point.
Tyson was a warrior who knew when he was spent and beaten.
I saw two fights where he knew he was beaten.
Holyfield (the bite) and Lewis.
Against Holyfield he was tired, being outboxed and wanted a way out, rather than quit on the stool he tried to do something drastic and in my opinion he somehow thought he could turn the fight around.
Against Lewis he was destroyed, he had nothing left but stayed in the fight because he wanted to go out on his shield rather than quit on his stool.
To beat Tyson you had not only to outbox him, but beat him up, I see no shame in a man getting knocked out.
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Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!
Tyson could have been unbeatable by his sheer physical attributes alone. The combination of his speed, power, and decent chin, is hard to beat, as it is hard to come by. However, he was a very psychologically challenged individual, due to background or deprivations on a personal level. When his brawn failed, his lack of the cerebral stamina prevented him from extricating himself out of dangerous situations.
In the ring, when tactics and fight strategies are summoned to serve him out of binds, is where these scenarios of inadequacies are severely tested, and likewise, it is here where he will miserably fail. Sadly, he lacked the mental maturity to persevere and overcome, as anyone would of decent fortitude.
His worst nightmare happens, bringing out the worst in him. The untamed beast in him!
After the death of Cus D’ Amato, his handler, and the father-figure Mike never had, I believe he never had anyone for guidance. He never had even at least, a decent corner in boxing matches to rely upon. He was solely “moneybags” to the leeches and parasitic low-lives, dragging him down daily.
Imagine the same burden on his shoulders atop the ring. He already is on a handicap even before his matches begin!
Misunderstood, yet, will forever be unforgotten.
He is the "Pride and Sorrow of Boxing", as Paul Morphy is to chess!
Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!
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Fenster
A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.
And what impact he had on boxing.
They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.
he wasn't
a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic ;D
It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.
I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.
Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.
As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did ;) Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.
Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo
Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion ;D
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KananKrus
Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!
Tyson could have been unbeatable by his sheer physical attributes alone. The combination of his speed, power, and decent chin, is hard to beat, as it is hard to come by. However, he was a very psychologically challenged individual, due to background or deprivations on a personal level. When his brawn failed, his lack of the cerebral stamina prevented him from extricating himself out of dangerous situations.
In the ring, when tactics and fight strategies are summoned to serve him out of binds, is where these scenarios of inadequacies are severely tested, and likewise, it is here where he will miserably fail. Sadly, he lacked the mental maturity to persevere and overcome, as anyone would of decent fortitude.
His worst nightmare happens, bringing out the worst in him. The untamed beast in him!
After the death of Cus D’ Amato, his handler, and the father-figure Mike never had, I believe he never had anyone for guidance. He never had even at least, a decent corner in boxing matches to rely upon. He was solely “moneybags” to the leeches and parasitic low-lives, dragging him down daily.
Imagine the same burden on his shoulders atop the ring. He already is on a handicap even before his matches begin!
Misunderstood, yet, will forever be unforgotten.
He is the "Pride and Sorrow of Boxing", as Paul Morphy is to chess!
Mike Tyson is the Paul Charles Morphy of boxing!
Except Tyson wasn't 5 ft 1, weighing about 80 lbs and he didn't like to dance around woman's shoes :)
I understand the analagy but you've chosen to compare arguably the most scary, intimidating looking dude in history with a poncy, little child man who was so gay he'd struggle to get into my Baggins Clan.
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Like him or not,Tyson was the best fighter of his era. He was one dimensional, if he couldnt blow your doors down,he didnt know what else to do.
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Like him or not,Tyson was the best fighter of his era. He was one dimensional, if he couldnt blow your doors down,he didnt know what else to do.
I would not have put it that way. He had skill to go along with speed and power. He outboxed some pretty good boxers. The only reason he didn't do it more often is because hardly anyone lasted long enough.
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A film is being commissioned about his life. It has been a very interesting story.
Without him I would never have got into boxing
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Fenster
A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.
And what impact he had on boxing.
They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.
he wasn't
a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic ;D
It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.
I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.
Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.
As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did ;) Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.
Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo
Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion ;D
Tony Tucker broke his right hand after the 4th round, he was ahead after 4 rounds. And after the broken hand he went into a defensive shell, so you can't honestly tell me that his broken hand didn't effect him, especially considering he was up against Mike Tyson for crying out loud. But Tony Tucker still managed to win the last round with a broken hand, and survive 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand takes bottle. Especially up against someone like Mike Tyson.
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Mike Tyson is one of the guys who got me into boxing as well but I just hate when people overstate what he was. He was a champion and a good one, he wasn't the greatest he wasn't close to being the best, he's better than most but he had a short prime and after losing to Buster Douglas he never did anything I think was all that great or worth notice besides losing to Holyfield and Lewis and obviously fighters don't get credit for losing.
I think had he fought some different fighters int he 1990's he wouldn't even have made it to Holyfield. Ray Mercer springs to mind as a guy who wasn't all that great who could have beaten Tyson up.
There were a ton of fighters I would have loved to see him take on: Moorer, Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Bowe, Briggs, Rahman, Ruiz, Tua, and maybe even Wladimir and Vitali.
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I miss the excitement Tyson brought to the Heavyweight division.
Whew! I'm still watching some of his fights even up to now. :cool:
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Amazing how someone who had a thing slipping mentally within , still had some fighters beaten (mentally themselves) before they even got in the ring.
Tyson played every thug/evil monster card he had to great success, then belived it himself. Strange cause there was a little kid searching for love he never had behind the driving seat the whole time.
The fighters who fought well against him had some real gumption and skill.
Douglas had belife and faith on top.
Personally I would have died in the corner on my seat when he came out snarling at me when he was in his prime.That was the main weapon and the main attraction. Fear.
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Andre
Amazing how someone who had a thing slipping mentally within , still had some fighters beaten (mentally themselves) before they even got in the ring.
Tyson played every thug/evil monster card he had to great success, then belived it himself. Strange cause there was a little kid searching for love he never had behind the driving seat the whole time.
The fighters who fought well against him had some real gumption and skill.
Douglas had belife and faith on top.
Personally I would have died in the corner on my seat when he came out snarling at me when he was in his prime.That was the main weapon and the main attraction. Fear.
Yeah mon. Probably it would have been better for his opponents if they didn't watch the videos beforehand. I'll always remember a quote from Michael Spinks after their fight. "I was never all that crazy about fighting the guy" or something very much like that.
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Dont get me wrong,Tyson was great,but he was great for his era. The the serious super heavyweights came along,and he got exposed quickly. And even thats not really faulting him,Joe Louis would at best size wise be a cruiserweight in this era because of his size and natural build.
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This is all bullshit, Mikes prime may not have have been long, he fucked it himself by not giving a shit.
he did have an impressive reign though, he had 4 years of dominance, more than Holyfield, more than Leiws, in that Lewis longer reign came after a KO defeat, Mike was seen as invincible and ive read but not seen myself that writers were saying Ali could be knocked off the top spot.
When Mike was doing what he was told he was a very dangerous man to face, even Holmes said Mike was very difficult to land on and quicker than he expected.
No other heavy fighter had all Mikes gifts, those combinations with the speed and power, he was amazing to watch, he could avoid shots, he had shit hot reflexes.
Mike on form could have beaten any other fighter, any fighter.
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ICB
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BIG H
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
A lot of the younger posters don't realise just how HUGE a global superstar Tyson was back then.
And what impact he had on boxing.
They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.
he wasn't
a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic ;D
It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.
I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.
Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.
As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did ;) Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.
Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo
Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion ;D
Tony Tucker broke his right hand after the 4th round, he was ahead after 4 rounds. And after the broken hand he went into a defensive shell, so you can't honestly tell me that his broken hand didn't effect him, especially considering he was up against Mike Tyson for crying out loud. But Tony Tucker still managed to win the last round with a broken hand, and survive 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand takes bottle. Especially up against someone like Mike Tyson.
You always bring this up. He broke his hand, so did Clottey against Marg, does not mean Tyson would not have caught up with him anyway. Maybe it was a blessing, because Tucker may have opened himself up for a KO.
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Master
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ICB
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They also don't realize or undertsnad that there was a very good reason for this.
he wasn't
a.) A good speaker, articulate or learned
b.) A partcularily nice person
c.) Good looking
d.) Hygenic ;D
It was simply because he was an amazing fighter.
I didn't see any signs that Tucker could beat Tyson I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that he would ever have won that fight on the basis that he had one good punch and a couple of decent rounds. He was soundly beaten and only won 3 rounds imo.
Tillis was a good fight, but also an excellent win based on the fact that it was only a year after Tyson turned pro and was a massive step up in class for Tyson.
As I always say if Tyson had've retired after the Spinks fight (a.k.a in his prime) kind of like Marciano did ;) Not a single person that calls themslves a Boxing fan, expert, pundit, writer or whatever else, would have Tyson outside the top 5 Heavies of all time and a huge amount would have him top 2. IMO people's views are tainted by what Tyson became and that's understandable, becuase it's very hard not to think that those flaws and weaknesses weren't always there, but imo after Spinks Tyson was there for the taking, before Spinks he was superhuman and it's at that point that I judge him.
Prime Tyson destroys Lennox Lewis early imo
Nobody will ever change my opinion on any of these points so I will bow out of this discussion ;D
Tony Tucker broke his right hand after the 4th round, he was ahead after 4 rounds. And after the broken hand he went into a defensive shell, so you can't honestly tell me that his broken hand didn't effect him, especially considering he was up against Mike Tyson for crying out loud. But Tony Tucker still managed to win the last round with a broken hand, and survive 3 quarters of the fight with a broken hand takes bottle. Especially up against someone like Mike Tyson.
You always bring this up. He broke his hand, so did Clottey against Marg, does not mean Tyson would not have caught up with him anyway. Maybe it was a blessing, because Tucker may have opened himself up for a KO.
Yep it's the old if my Aunty had bollox she'd be my uncle routine. Broken hands go numb after a round anyway, so he shouldn't have bothered him ;D
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JT Rock
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.
He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.
How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.
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With all due respect to Frasier, Tyson would beat him like he did his son. ;D
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rjj tszyu
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Lance Uppercut
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JT Rock
I know its been covered a 10000000000 times, but he had all the tools to be the best fighter of all time, its a shame that he got in bed with the wrong people, literally and figuretively...
Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.
He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.
How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.
WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was. Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.
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Iron Mike is the reason I got into boxing. I've always thought firing Kevin Rooney was the beginning of the end for him. The "Pre-Robin Givens Mike" is still the best fighter I've ever seen. Speed, power, defense, and technical boxing ability. Back then he was still an amazing boxer and was tough to hit.
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Personally I would have died in the corner on my seat when he came out snarling at me when he was in his prime.That was the main weapon and the main attraction. Fear.
My wife and I saw him at a convenience store in Hawaii years ago. He was walking around with a dazed look on his face and a towel hanging out of his mouth. I was afraid of him snapping so we just left and didn't even look his way. Fear!
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Tyson got me into boxing like many here, but he was always beatable, even in his absolute prime.
He was an awesome fighter to watch though, amazing speed and power. I can't think of another Heavy who punched like Mike, so compact and powerful every punch hurt you.
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rjj tszyu
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Lance Uppercut
Tyson made the most of what he had. He became Heavyweight Champion of the world, and youngest heavyweight alphabet titlest ever. He obliterated the division from 1986 to 1989.
He was a pressure fighter: pressure fighters burn out early(dempsey, frazier and Marciano all retired in their early 30's). Tyson's style was not the style of an older fighter.
How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.
WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was.
Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.
So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?
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Lance Uppercut
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rjj tszyu
How can you say Tyson's name in the same sentence as Frazier? He retired after being beat 4 times twice off 2 men. Who were they? Ali and Foreman. Frazier beat everyone else and a lot more world class fighters than Tyson ever did. In fact every time Tyson fought a world class fighter (3 times Holy twice and Lennox) he got his ass kicked.
WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was.
Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.
So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?
Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.
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CGM
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WTF are you talking about? I only mentioned Fraizer because he is a pressure fighter, like Tyson was. Of course Frazier has a much better resume then Tyson.
So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?
Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.
Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.
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So that would imply that guys like Ellis, Bonavena, Quarry, and Bugner were much better than the guys Tyson beat?
Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.
Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.
Granted, he beat Ali after a 3 year layoff, but that's still a better win on paper than Iron Mike has on his resume. That being said, I still think Mike woulda whooped Smokin' Joe in both their primes ;D
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Well, to Frazier's credit, he did beat Ali the first time.
Very true. I'm not sure 1 out of 3 against Ali in and of itself is evidence of a better resume, but I guess it should be at least considered.
Granted, he beat Ali after a 3 year layoff, but that's still a better win on paper than Iron Mike has on his resume. That being said, I still think Mike woulda whooped Smokin' Joe in both their primes ;D
;D In which case you'd also have to say that Tyson would whoop the Ali that faced Frazier for the first time. This all starts to get a little weird. But yeah, If I was a betting man, my money would be on Tyson over Frazier also.
My whole point is that it ain't quite so "obvious" that Frazier's resume is much better than Tyson's.
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Mike Tyson would lose to any all-time great minus maybe Larry Holmes and Floyd Patterson
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Mike Tyson would lose to any all-time great minus maybe Larry Holmes and Floyd Patterson
No Lyle he would whoop most of the older fighters like Jack Dempsey and ETC, they were simply too small and there old style of fighting. Wouldn't work in the modern era, and minus Larry Holmes ? are you kidding me ?
On his best night he is probably the 3rd best Heavyweight ever. He would have certainly beaten Mike Tyson, he had an amazing jab, great chin, great heart, great stamina, and excellent boxing skills.
